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Subject: Feat Evaluation/Tiering.

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Context:

During a sparring match, the character Le-va-none explicitly states he has suppressed his summon/weapon, Leva-on, to a specific power floor to match the opponent, Imuru.

The Quote:

“Naturally with the power Leva-on has, it could clear a mountain range. Putting it to Imuru's level, all it can pull off bare minimum is the destruction of a town. If I'm right, Imuru shouldn't get hurt now.”

The Feat:

Immediately following this statement, Imuru attempts to parry an attack from the suppressed Leva-on. He fails to do so perfectly and takes a direct hit to the torso, resulting in a non-fatal scar/wound but otherwise leaving him conscious and able to continue.

Questions:

1, Attack Potency (Leva-on): Based on the "mountain range" statement, would full-power Leva-on qualify for Tier 7-A (Mountain Level) or 6-C (Island Level)?


2, Downscaling: Since the suppressed version is stated to be "bare minimum... destruction of a town," does this lock the suppressed Leva-on at Tier 7-C (Town Level)?


3, Durability (Imuru): Since Imuru survived a "Town Level" strike with only a non-fatal scar, does this qualify as a Tier 7-C Durability feat, or would it be lower since the parry mitigated some of the force?


4, Ap (Imuru): Since Imuru was able to parry it would this give him a ap scaling?
 
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i can

probably help with that, if needed.
That would be helpful. We can use this thread for now. I have some other stuff, I want to check out. I prefer the lower end of the tiers since they seem easy to argue and without issue.
 
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bit explanation even tho someone already answer.
1, Attack Potency (Leva-on): Based on the "mountain range" statement, would full-power Leva-on qualify for Tier 7-A (Mountain Level) or 6-C (Island Level)?
I don't think it can go up to 6-C without much further feats. Even at full power still sometime doesn't mean anything in here, so either you take 7-A or High 7-A (safest).
2, Downscaling: Since the suppressed version is stated to be "bare minimum... destruction of a town," does this lock the suppressed Leva-on at Tier 7-C (Town Level)?
Not exactly sure but this, but I'm saying yes. There's other possibilities tho to get around Low 7-C or High 7-C. But still I think it is better to take 7-C
3, Durability (Imuru): Since Imuru survived a "Town Level" strike with only a non-fatal scar, does this qualify as a Tier 7-C Durability feat, or would it be lower since the parry mitigated some of the force?
If a character takes a direct hit from an attack and only suffers a non-fatal, superficial wound (like a scar) while remaining fully conscious and capable of fighting, their durability fully scales to the attack. The parry successfully deflected the brunt of the kinetic energy or if his weapon absorbed the impact, his bodily durability might scale lower.
4, Ap (Imuru): Since Imuru was able to parry it would this give him a ap scaling?
Because Imuru failed to parry the attack perfectly and was overpowered, his AP cannot be fully equated to the 7-C attack. He is demonstrably weaker than the suppressed Leva-on's full force. However, to even attempt to parry a Town Level attack without having his weapon instantly shattered and his arms pulverized from the force or recoil, AP must be somewhat relative to the force he is interacting with. For me, it would be likely rated Low 7-C or even lower. This would also scale to striking strength.
 
bit explanation even tho someone already answer.

I don't think it can go up to 6-C without much further feats. Even at full power still sometime doesn't mean anything in here, so either you take 7-A or High 7-A (safest).

Not exactly sure but this, but I'm saying yes. There's other possibilities tho to get around Low 7-C or High 7-C. But still I think it is better to take 7-C

If a character takes a direct hit from an attack and only suffers a non-fatal, superficial wound (like a scar) while remaining fully conscious and capable of fighting, their durability fully scales to the attack. The parry successfully deflected the brunt of the kinetic energy or if his weapon absorbed the impact, his bodily durability might scale lower.

Because Imuru failed to parry the attack perfectly and was overpowered, his AP cannot be fully equated to the 7-C attack. He is demonstrably weaker than the suppressed Leva-on's full force. However, to even attempt to parry a Town Level attack without having his weapon instantly shattered and his arms pulverized from the force or recoil, AP must be somewhat relative to the force he is interacting with. For me, it would be likely rated Low 7-C or even lower. This would also scale to striking strength.
Thank you so much.
 
Speed & NPI Check

Feat 1: Speed Evaluation
Context/Quote:

"With the utilization of his main skill—sub-skill, from the air, small particles shone, and merged with each other, forming 100s of shards. Giving a simple gesture, the shards were sent in motion, promptly creating a sonic boom. Standing his ground, Imuru took the attack head on, precisely deflecting each shard that came his way with ease and precision."

My Interpretation: The projectiles explicitly create a sonic boom, making them at least Supersonic (Mach 1). Can this qualify for Supersonic to Supersonic+ reaction and combat speed. Do you think this is correct?

Feat 2: Ability Evaluation
Context/Quote:

"With those ominous final words, Imuru nodded, then the flames came forth, engulfing the consciousness. It raged on, striping and breaking the consciousness apart piece by piece. The process was slow, and difficult, but finally after a few minutes, it was finished.”

My Interpretation: The character uses his flames to directly attack and destroy a disembodied, non-physical consciousness. I believe this qualifies as Non-Physical Interaction (NPI), Is NPI the correct categorization here?
 
Speed & NPI Check

Feat 1: Speed Evaluation
Context/Quote:

"With the utilization of his main skill—sub-skill, from the air, small particles shone, and merged with each other, forming 100s of shards. Giving a simple gesture, the shards were sent in motion, promptly creating a sonic boom. Standing his ground, Imuru took the attack head on, precisely deflecting each shard that came his way with ease and precision."

My Interpretation: The projectiles explicitly create a sonic boom, making them at least Supersonic (Mach 1). Can this qualify for Supersonic to Supersonic+ reaction and combat speed. Do you think this is correct?
Feat 1 (Speed): Because Imuru deflects hundreds of these shards individually with "ease and precision," his reaction and combat speed should comfortably scale to Supersonic to Supersonic+. So easy agree.
Feat 2: Ability Evaluation
Context/Quote:

"With those ominous final words, Imuru nodded, then the flames came forth, engulfing the consciousness. It raged on, striping and breaking the consciousness apart piece by piece. The process was slow, and difficult, but finally after a few minutes, it was finished.”

My Interpretation: The character uses his flames to directly attack and destroy a disembodied, non-physical consciousness. I believe this qualifies as Non-Physical Interaction (NPI), Is NPI the correct categorization here?
Feat 2 (Abilities): Since he is physically harming an incorporeal, non-physical entity, this cleanly grants him Non-Physical Interaction (NPI).
 
Brilliant. I got some more, be with you in a moment.
Feat 1 (Speed): Because Imuru deflects hundreds of these shards individually with "ease and precision," his reaction and combat speed should comfortably scale to Supersonic to Supersonic+. So easy agree.

Feat 2 (Abilities): Since he is physically harming an incorporeal, non-physical entity, this cleanly grants him Non-Physical Interaction (NPI).
 
Brilliant. I got some more, be with you in a moment.
This: Ability/Power Classification (Perivállon)

Context & Quotes:

"Imuru scanned the area, the raw Perivállon in the air visible to the named eye, swapping colours at random intervals... This section was filled with pillars, formed from years of stalactites and stalagmites growing until they meet and fuse together, all on the brink of being fully crystallized.”

"...The two bears they had just felled shuddered, pushing themselves back up from the ground like zombies. And they were not alone. All around them, from beneath, the earth began to shift as multiple bears began to rise... The cluster of crystals fused to the Mutated Bear's back extended outward…”

My Question: Based on its environmental interactions, it seems to exhibit multiple behaviors; like Transmutation and Corruption. And would it technically fall under resistance for characters in verse?
 
This: Ability/Power Classification (Perivállon)

Context & Quotes:

"Imuru scanned the area, the raw Perivállon in the air visible to the named eye, swapping colours at random intervals... This section was filled with pillars, formed from years of stalactites and stalagmites growing until they meet and fuse together, all on the brink of being fully crystallized.”

"...The two bears they had just felled shuddered, pushing themselves back up from the ground like zombies. And they were not alone. All around them, from beneath, the earth began to shift as multiple bears began to rise... The cluster of crystals fused to the Mutated Bear's back extended outward…”

My Question: Based on its environmental interactions, it seems to exhibit multiple behaviors; like Transmutation and Corruption. And would it technically fall under resistance for characters in verse?
looks simple enough (I think) Based on the provided quotes, I can see Transmutation by crystallizing stone structures, Corruption and Biological Manipulation by forcing physical mutations on living wildlife. if characters within the verse can traverse these areas, breathe the raw Perivállon-filled air, or endure direct exposure to this energy without their own bodies crystallizing or mutating, they would can qualify for Resistance to Transmutation and Resistance to Corruption... but i ain't confident.
 
looks simple enough (I think) Based on the provided quotes, I can see Transmutation by crystallizing stone structures, Corruption and Biological Manipulation by forcing physical mutations on living wildlife. if characters within the verse can traverse these areas, breathe the raw Perivállon-filled air, or endure direct exposure to this energy without their own bodies crystallizing or mutating, they would can qualify for Resistance to Transmutation and Resistance to Corruption... but i ain't confident.
Good enough to have another confirmation. Thanks once again.
 
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