Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Mbpoops]

Low 2-C likely

Tbf wouldnt aeons go to 2-A since the universe has genshin and ggz and they are significant for tiering

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

2-A or low 2-C

Low 2-C likely

Now even more importantly, does anyone besides Otto even scale? Given Imaginary Renormalization was used by Flamescion to make his Absolute Infinite Honkai energy finite.

But before that Flamescion and Durandal were beating him down

 

[Mbpoops]

High 1-C for now

Theres a reason he wasnt in the thread

 

[SuperNova55555]

Tbf wouldnt aeons go to 2-A since the universe has genshin and ggz and they are significant for tiering

The main issue with Aeon scaling is how it contradicts Hi3s cosmology. So no.

 

[Voidnether]

Tbf wouldnt aeons go to 2-A since the universe has genshin and ggz and they are significant for tiering

I'd just propose their avatars being 2-A, and their true form being High 1-C completely as the Aha statement about him climbing to the highest plane of the Tree of Existence (the Trunk or Path Space) should be High 1-C for obvious reasons since it's not the physical plane anymore

 

[Voidnether]

The main issue with Aeon scaling is how it contradicts Hi3s cosmology. So no.

How does Aha climbing to the highest plane of the Tree of Existence (which is obviously 11-D HDE, and High 1-C) to just be Low 2-C? If it's the avatars then it makes sense but for their true form, no lol

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

Now even more importantly, does anyone besides Otto even scale? Given Imaginary Renormalization was used by Flamescion to make his Absolute Infinite Honkai energy finite.

PE HoF Descent = FG Otto > Finality Diabolic Kevin

 

[SuperNova55555]

High 1-C for existing in 11D plane wow, its almost like there's a reason Aeons have 11D HDE rn but only Low 1-C AP

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

PE HoF Descent = FG Otto > Finality Diabolic Kevin

Well that’s something we can work with. Good enough ig.

Given Kevin thrashed Flamescion and Post ER Mei I’m guessing they don’t get to leech of this…

 

[Voidnether]

High 1-C for existing in 11D plane wow, its almost like there's a reason Aeons have 11D HDE rn but only Low 1-C AP

Furthermore, higher-dimensional entities can also qualify for higher tiers when the verse which they are from explicitly defines them as being infinitely above lower-dimensional ones in power and/or existential status. An example of this being verses such as Umineko no Naku Koro ni.

This is literally what the Aeons are. We have statements of them being infinity beyond perception, we have statements of them literally being unable to be killed by mere mortals that it's literally laughed upon. We have the Aeons having to descend onto the physical plane so it's not just that the Aeons we see are merely projections of them (i.e how higher-dimensional see lower-dimensional as flat isn't enough to prove them being infinitely superior) but rather that it's also infinite in power/existential status based on how Aeons are described in Star Rail, plus we have evidence of Aeons fighting amongst each other in Path Space especially during Swarm Disaster

 

[SuperNova55555]

This is literally what the Aeons are.

Probably an outdated FAQ. I've been told explicitly by mods that that's not how it works. Otherwise everyone in LOTM would be like High 1-C intrinsically

 

[Mbpoops]

The main issue with Aeon scaling is how it contradicts Hi3s cosmology. So no.

they contradict their own cosmology

im starting to think nous is a fraud

 

[SuperNova55555]

If it's somehow not contradictory (it is), it literally means Nous js slimed all of Kallen's branches lmfao

 

[Mbpoops]

If it's somehow not contradictory (it is), it literally means Nous js slimed all of Kallen's branches lmfao

how are we talking to ourselves from another timeline if nous supposedly collapses all timelines into one timeline??

 

[Voidnether]

Probably an outdated FAQ. I've been told explicitly by mods that that's not how it works. Otherwise everyone in LOTM would be like High 1-C intrinsically

Dude that's gay as hell wtf so Umineko mfs scaling to their tiers just because they exist on the Meta-World and stuff instead of just BDE are just outdated huh

 

[SuperNova55555]

Dude that's gay as hell wtf so Umineko mfs scaling to their tiers just because they exist on the Meta-World and stuff are just outdated huh

No the standard is only for dimensional scaling. 1-A and up are based on existentiality or ontic status. So you're 1-A js for existing in a 1-A realm

 

[Mbpoops]

Dude that's gay as hell wtf so Umineko mfs scaling to their tiers just because they exist on the Meta-World and stuff are just outdated huh

umeniko is qualitative tho so existing in those realms should warrant the tiering unless theres antifeats. higher dimensionality existing shouldnt warrant higher tiers or else seele would be H1C in base

 

[Mbpoops]

like literally an atom can be 1-A as long as its qualitatively superior to anything beneath it unlike dimensional tiering

 

[Voidnether]

I think 1 branch being 2-A is fine tho since it would contain an infinity of leaf worlds (it doesn't even matter if it's MWI or not for these leaf worlds cause like, not only they're universal in size like Genshin and GGZ ones but they're stated to be infinity in quantity atleast according to Otto), but still I am pretty sure the Aeons fought Tayzzyronth in Path Space?

 

[SuperNova55555]

an infinity of leaf worlds

Source?

 

[Furina003]

This is literally what the Aeons are. We have statements of them being infinity beyond perception, we have statements of them literally being unable to be killed by mere mortals that it's literally laughed upon. We have the Aeons having to descend onto the physical plane so it's not just that the Aeons we see are merely projections of them (i.e how higher-dimensional see lower-dimensional as flat isn't enough to prove them being infinitely superior) but rather that it's also infinite in power/existential status based on how Aeons are described in Star Rail, plus we have evidence of Aeons fighting amongst each other in Path Space especially during Swarm Disaster

In my opinion, this still requires case-by-case evidence. Terms like “becoming stronger” or “having higher power” are extremely broad in meaning.
So it doesn’t necessarily mean we can assign the strength of higher-dimensional entities purely based on their level of dimensional existence.
What I mean is, for example: if Emanators are valid at Tier 3, and Aeons are at Tier Low 1-C, then Low 1-C can already be considered far stronger than Tier 3. There’s no need to place them at High 1-C unless you can actually provide sufficient evidence that Aeons deserve to be at that level.

Hence, a higher-dimensional entity can be both stronger or weaker than a lower-dimensional one, and thus, they are usually quantified based on their own feats, instead of dimensionality alone. If a character is merely stated to be higher-dimensional and simultaneously has no other feats to derive anything noteworthy from, then they are put at Unknown, and the same applies to lower dimensions as well.

 

[Mbpoops]

actually nous does contradict the hell out of hi3 like to an insane degree

 

[Mbpoops]

Source?

actually nous does contradict the hell out of hi3 like to an insane degree

this is only for hi3 tho hsr is so contradictory to its own shit idek

 

[Voidnether]

Source?

Atp it might just be Low 1-C because 1 leaf world in this scenario contains infinite possibilities, and 1 branch has infinite leaf worlds (because if the first scan refers to the branch, Otto could've just traveled there singe he's def capable in the second and the scans after instead of creating a new branch)

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

actually nous does contradict the hell out of hi3 like to an insane degree

im starting to see why Nova wants to condemn Aeons to Low 2-C hell and not 2-A but how do you even reconcile things like this

Although isn’t there a scan on aeon profiles that their birth alone can shake the universe. That’d be 2-A realistically

 

[Voidnether]

this is only for hi3 tho hsr is so contradictory to its own shit idek

Think of Nous one as something like where all waveforms have to collapse since they're embedded onto 1 main timeline which could be Low 1-C instead of Low 2-C (since 2-A MWI don't have these waveforms to collapse) in the context that the main timeline creates an infinity amount of branches, then infinity^infinity amount of leaf worlds and infinity^infinity^infinity amount of possibilities

 

[Mbpoops]

Atp it might just be Low 1-C because 1 leaf world in this scenario contains infinite possibilities, and 1 branch has infinite leaf worlds (because if the first scan refers to the branch, Otto could've just traveled there singe he's def capable in the second and the scans after instead of creating a new branch)

the issue is that nous is supposedly nuking all these timelines into one timeline at the same time so either

A. nous is a fraud
B. theres only one timeline and technically no tree
or
C. HSR is just one branch on the tree

 

[SuperNova55555]

Atp it might just be Low 1-C because 1 leaf world in this scenario contains infinite possibilities, and 1 branch has infinite leaf worlds (because if the first scan refers to the branch, Otto could've just traveled there singe he's def capable in the second and the scans after instead of creating a new branch)

This is talking about the whole tree, not a single branch.

 

[Voidnether]

In my opinion, this still requires case-by-case evidence. Terms like “becoming stronger” or “having higher power” are extremely broad in meaning.
So it doesn’t necessarily mean we can assign the strength of higher-dimensional entities purely based on their level of dimensional existence.
What I mean is, for example: if Emanators are valid at Tier 3, and Aeons are at Tier Low 1-C, then Low 1-C can already be considered far stronger than Tier 3. There’s no need to place them at High 1-C unless you can actually provide sufficient evidence that Aeons deserve to be at that level.

Unknown Aeons is baffling me bro, what are you even quoting

 

[Mbpoops]

aeons would just upscale from the highest emanator feat which is irontomb low 2-C feat

 

[Voidnether]

This is talking about the whole tree, not a single branch.

And physical plane is still 2-A anyway

 

[Voidnether]

aeons would just upscale from the highest emanator feat which is irontomb low 2-C feat

How is Irontomb Low 2-C when destroying the physical plane includes like the GGZ leaf and Genshin leaf worlds

 

[Mbpoops]

actually yea how the hell is nous nuking EVERY timeline into one timeline through quantum collapse? isnt the cosmology supposed to be a tree??? every branch is a timeline on the tree so he would effectively be killing the tree and turning the entire tree into a branch

 

[Mbpoops]

How is Irontomb Low 2-C when destroying the physical plane includes like the GGZ leaf and Genshin leaf worlds

beyond negative tracking

 

[SuperNova55555]

And physical plane is still 2-A anyway

Hi3 one. Maybe. But HSR contradicts this.

 

[Furina003]

Unknown Aeons is baffling me bro, what are you even quoting

I didn't even say that, I meant, you can't put them in h1c just because their statements are much stronger than other entities in hsr, so if for example a level 3 emanator then even level l1c or l2c aeons would already meet the "stronger" classification

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Hi3 one. Maybe. But HSR contradicts this.

ATP a note may need to be made on the verse page or a future updated cosmology blog on the contradictions between HI3 and HSR’s cosmology

 

[Mbpoops]

this is how hsr treats their universe. i mean yea it can be infinite but not the entire tree

 

[SuperNova55555]

ATP a note may need to be made on the verse page or a future updated cosmology blog on the contradictions between HI3 and HSR’s cosmology

I'll be making a little section addressing the differences in the Aeon downgrade thread.

 

[Mbpoops]

ATP a note may need to be made on the verse page or a future updated cosmology blog on the contradictions between HI3 and HSR’s cosmology

quantum collapse is the main issue ngl