The Sun God Nika vs The Six Paths Sage (Luffy vs Naruto).

[KingTempest]

bruh? how does luffy scale to this?

the level of circular scaling for OP in this thread is mind blowing ngl

Luffy > Kizaru > Sanji

You fail to understand basic scaling and it's annoying

 

[Trihexa102]

Luffy > Kizaru > Sanji

You fail to understand basic scaling and it's annoying

no kizaru beams and attacks has been reacted to by sanji, and Kizaru literally fights Luffy, there was no blitzing Kizaru till Luffy's giant form.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Does luffy can see future continuously?

Yes

You just typed up a bunch of nonsense.. I repeat unless you can show me where anyone in one piece that has interacted with Chakra before, not just nature energy or other energy called chakra but specifically the chakra that comes from the Body and Mind, till then luffy or any other piece characters are not interacting with chakra.

Typed bunch of nonsense = didn't read or understand any of it. I literally only explained how Haki isn't Chakra, Haki can affect the spirit/soul of others (df abilities) and obviously ones physical energies

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

bruh? how does luffy scale to this?

the level of circular scaling for OP in this thread is mind blowing ngl

So if Gaara does a 50c speed feat and Naruto in his final form clearly should be faster that does not count?

 

[Nonynho]

wow, a CRT happened inside a CRT-sized match, is this going to end anytime?

i'd also like to get a friendly reminder that this is written in the page where this match is indexed:

Please avoid highly controversial topics

lmfaooooooooooo

 

[KingTempest]

no kizaru beams and attacks has been reacted to by sanji and Kizaru literally fights Luffy, there was no blitzing Kizaru till Luffy's giant form.

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[Kachon123]

no kizaru has been reacted to by sanji and literally fights Luffy, there was no blitzing Kizaru till Luffy's giant form.

I'm a bigger Sanji fan than any, but you have to be either completely oblivious to One Piece's scaling or intentionally dishonest to say that Kizaru doesn't scale to Base Sanji's casual speed

 

[Trihexa102]

So if Gaara does a 50c speed feat and Naruto in his final form clearly should be faster that does not count?

Think of it this way, Sanji reacts to Kizaru attacks who scales to Luffy's who he kept up with, till luffy went Giant form and caught him.

what is being saif here is the definition of circular scaling.

 

[KingTempest]

Empty drums continue to beat the loudest

Think of it this way, Sanji reacts to Kizaru attacks who scales to Luffy's who he kept up with, till luffy went Giant form and caught him.

what is being saif here is the definition of circular scaling.

Sanji ≤ Kizaru ≤ Luffy

 

[Kachon123]

Trihexa single handedly doubled the page count of this thread with it's stonewalling

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Think of it this way, Sanji reacts to Kizaru attacks who scales to Luffy's who he kept up with, till luffy went Giant form and caught him.

what is being saif here is the definition of circular scaling.

Even me who literally pass to scale one piece (no offense) knows that Sanji "fought" kizaru without him doing acceleration

Kizaru doing acceleration would blitz him, Luffy in gear 5 at minimun scales to Kizaru accelerating

 

[Aytugsss]

The energy is phasing through the exterior of something to hit it's interior

Unless these three things have NPI for intangibles, it's gets pass this no problem

Can the TSO's and chakra cloaks interact with intangibles?



Luffy just needs to stat stomp the clones and reach the real Naruto before he runs out of time.

I think since Naruto is gonna be drawing out the fight long enough for the time limit to be of importance, luffy will have enough time to grow and stat stomp him before the time limit is reached

At the end of the day tho Ig that's just differing opinions

Yes these three has npi
And i dont still think he can blitz naruto while he has enchanted sense with so6p
And naruto can use kurama avatar which is above his normal durability
İ still think he can resist attacks

 

[Trihexa102]

I'm a bigger Sanji fan than any, but you have to be either completely oblivious to One Piece's scaling or intentionally dishonest to say that Kizaru doesn't scale to Base Sanji's casual speed

I said Sanji has scaled to kizaru's attacks which we see.

This is not even a proper feat as you can make a case for Sanji was offguard.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Luffy can't interact with Chakra because it is made from Mental and physical energy..

Luffys haki has NPI which according to the rules of the wiki allows him to interact non physical objects

The physical energy refers to cells and the mental energy includes emotions, experiences, etc, if you can't give me a reference for when Haki has directly interacted with these concepts combined then anything Naruto send his way can't be interacted,

The haki page is a thing but sure

For starters...cells are physical...nobody needs any form of NPI to interact with that. If your referring to physical energy then devil fruits like enels lightning exists and since lightning is a form of physical energy, we can conclude that luffy through haki can interact with that

For mental energy uhh...I'm a bit confused what you mean when you say that includes emotions and experiences. Are you implying that chakra in it if itself is an emotion and/or that chakra in it if itself is an experience? Gonna need more elaboration for that.

if you can't show me Luffy interacting with chakra specifically the one made from the Body and soul in Naruto all your argument becomes irrelevant..Since you guys want to have your cake and eat it at the same time.

The body is already physical so NPI isn't needed...if your referring to physical energy we already have devil fruits that also consist of physical energy

 

[DavidTPPM]

is said if for a reason

Against powernull, yes it does... And then you need proof TSO can erase something like Haki

Nope. That depends on the context. You can't power null something if you can't even touch it

Good thing haki isn't composed of one's soul

I already addressed this, just scroll back so I don't have to repeat it again

 

[Trihexa102]

Empty drums continue to beat the loudest

Sanji ≤ Kizaru ≤ Luffy

no it's sanji can react to Kizaru attacks except his fastest which was stated to be light-speed by oda and what blitzed everyone in egghead, casual Kizaru can also fight luffy relatively till luffy goes giant.

Saying this nonsense when luffy scaling was just changed during this fight shows who is really being dishonest here.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Trihexa single handedly doubled the page count of this thread with it's stonewalling

She or he should triple it, so we can get to 46 pages and surpass Gojo vs Makima

 

[Kachon123]

Can we topic ban Trihexa or is that too much? Its stonewall yap genuinely saps my interest in discussion

 

[KingTempest]

no it's sanji can react to Kizaru attacks except his fastest which was stated to be light-speed by oda and what blitzed everyone in egghead, casual Kizaru can also fight luffy relatively till luffy goes giant.

Saying this nonsense when luffy scaling was just changed during this fight shows who is really being dishonest here.

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[Trihexa102]

Luffys haki has NPI which according to the rules of the wiki allows him to interact non physical objects

The haki page is a thing but sure

For starters...cells are physical...nobody needs any form of NPI to interact with that. If your referring to physical energy then devil fruits like enels lightning exists and since lightning is a form of physical energy, we can conclude that luffy through haki can interact with that

For mental energy uhh...I'm a bit confused what you mean when you say that includes emotions and experiences. Are you implying that chakra in it if itself is an emotion and/or that chakra in it if itself is an experience? Gonna need more elaboration for that.


The body is already physical so NPI isn't needed...if your referring to physical energy we already have devil fruits that also consist of physical energy

NPI is not universal it depends on what Luffy has interacted with, you don't just slap anything in a cross-verse debate.

 

[KingTempest]

NPI is not universal it depends on what Luffy has interacted with, you don't just slap anything in a cross-verse debate.

So for Naruto
It depends on what Naruto has interacted with

Continue

 

[Samlex1234]

Because they regularly turn things to dust it'll still hurt them regardless

It is not spiritual energy in the sense of energy from your damn soul.
It is energy caused by willpower.

Naruto's energy is not that. Naruto spiritual energy is not the energy from your willpower. It is the energy from their souls, consciousness, and experiences.

They are 2 completely different things.

You do not need to equalize an ability for it to be on a vs thread. If it doesn't equalize, then too bad.

Willpower comes from the Mind and it's literally a thing in the Naruto verse and can be used when creating the spiritual aspect of chakra it's literally a component of mental energy.. The will of Fire, Heck characters like Kaguya can straight up manipulate and give their will a physical form(Zetsu).. will or Will power is a part of spiritual/mental energy.. You need to stop coping..

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I already addressed this, just scroll back so I don't have to repeat it again

repeat again, too much spam... Actually wait, yee repeat.. To much spam and I don't know what you're referring to

Nope. That depends on the context. You can't power null something if you can't even touch it

So you saying TSO can't powernull Haki, otherwise you're not making sense

Haki can powernull things without being able to touch it, so that leaves only TSO'S that you are talked about

 

[Trihexa102]

So for Naruto
It depends on what Naruto has interacted with

Continue

well fortunately naruto has better and more varied interactions compared to luffy, who's is elemental/ lightning?

 

[Aytugsss]

İ leave thread to do professionals
İts to much for me to debate

 

[KingTempest]

Willpower comes from the Mind and it's literally a thing in the Naruto verse and can be used when creating the spiritual aspect of chakra it's literally a component of mental energy.. The will of Fire, Heck characters like Kaguya can straight up manipulate and give their will a physical form(Zetsu).. will or Will power is a part of spiritual/mental energy.. You need to stop coping..

Willpower comes from the mind
This does not mean that interacting with the mind means you interact with willpower

Bro said the will of fire for no reason

http://if

well fortunately naruto has better and more varied interactions compared to luffy, who's is elemental/ lightning?

Punching and kicking is all he needs
I don't care how many rasengan variants he has they're getting reflected

 

[Trihexa102]

Willpower comes from the mind
This does not mean that interacting with the mind means you interact with willpower

Bro said the will of fire for no reason

Punching and kicking is all he needs
I don't care how many rasengan variants he has they're getting reflected

He could barely reflect KAIDO's AOE which is far inferior to just 1 of Naruto large scale attacks of 1000s of Naruto clones,

 

[KingTempest]

bro he could barely reflect KAIDO's AOE which is far inferior to just 1 of Naruto large scale attacks.

He did it with ease wtf are you talking about

 

[Kachon123]

Bro said the will of fire for no reason

This is frying me

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

He could barely reflect KAIDO's AOE which is far inferior to just 1 of Naruto large scale attacks of 1000s of Naruto clones,

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[Trihexa102]

He did it with ease wtf are you talking about

yea that's my Point put kaido attack and Naruto attack AOE and it's not even close. now imagined many more clones attacking as well.

 

[Kachon123]

yea that's my Point put kaido attack and Naruto attack AOE and it's not even close. now imagined many more clones attacking as well.

Luffy's transmutation range is thousands of kilometers. That's far beyond anything Naruto has shown.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

yea that's my Point put kaido attack and Naruto attack AOE and it's not even close. now imagined many more clones attacking as well.

Counterargument, One Piece planet is the size of the sun, Naruto AoE could be more impressive in paper but Kaido's flame is the size of a planet by this logic

 

[Trihexa102]

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what does this have to do with wat i said, y'all just doing too much at this point.

he reflected 1 of Kaido attacks which is inferior to Naruto's?

 

[KingTempest]

yea that's my Point put kaido attack and Naruto attack AOE and it's not even close. now imagined many more clones attacking as well.

The most naruto has attacked a person with from all angles is kunais and kicks

Stop acting like this is a ninja storm ultimate naruto is not that guy

 

[Trihexa102]

Counterargument, One Piece planet is the size of the sun, Naruto AoE could be more impressive in paper but Kaido's flame is the size of a planet by this logic

That's irrelevant here, Kaido is not the size of a planet.
nor or his blast especially when we see them in comparison to Onigashima.

 

[KingTempest]

Fell for the ragebait

 

[Trihexa102]

The most naruto has attacked a person with from all angles is kunais and kicks

Stop acting like this is a ninja storm ultimate naruto is not that guy

He is that guy my Man, luffy just isn't which you can't just understand.

1 of Naruto's attacks alone would require luffy's full defensive capabilities on a level than what he did against Kaido.

 

[Samlex1234]

@Maitreya12 Can you gather all of the votes again and apply the win for the winner or declare it inconclusive if it's a tie…

 

[KingTempest]

He is that guy my Man, luffy just isn't which you can't just understand.

1 of Naruto's attacks alone would require luffy's full defensive capabilities on a level than what he did against Kaido.

Luffy by existing shook an island the size of australia
He doesn't even need to do anything