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Luffy > Kizaru > Sanjibruh? how does luffy scale to this?
the level of circular scaling for OP in this thread is mind blowing ngl
You fail to understand basic scaling and it's annoying
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Luffy > Kizaru > Sanjibruh? how does luffy scale to this?
the level of circular scaling for OP in this thread is mind blowing ngl
no kizaru beams and attacks has been reacted to by sanji, and Kizaru literally fights Luffy, there was no blitzing Kizaru till Luffy's giant form.Luffy > Kizaru > Sanji
You fail to understand basic scaling and it's annoying
YesDoes luffy can see future continuously?
Typed bunch of nonsense = didn't read or understand any of it. I literally only explained how Haki isn't Chakra, Haki can affect the spirit/soul of others (df abilities) and obviously ones physical energiesYou just typed up a bunch of nonsense.. I repeat unless you can show me where anyone in one piece that has interacted with Chakra before, not just nature energy or other energy called chakra but specifically the chakra that comes from the Body and Mind, till then luffy or any other piece characters are not interacting with chakra.
So if Gaara does a 50c speed feat and Naruto in his final form clearly should be faster that does not count?bruh? how does luffy scale to this?
the level of circular scaling for OP in this thread is mind blowing ngl
lmfaoooooooooooPlease avoid highly controversial topics
no kizaru beams and attacks has been reacted to by sanji and Kizaru literally fights Luffy, there was no blitzing Kizaru till Luffy's giant form.
I'm a bigger Sanji fan than any, but you have to be either completely oblivious to One Piece's scaling or intentionally dishonest to say that Kizaru doesn't scale to Base Sanji's casual speedno kizaru has been reacted to by sanji and literally fights Luffy, there was no blitzing Kizaru till Luffy's giant form.
Think of it this way, Sanji reacts to Kizaru attacks who scales to Luffy's who he kept up with, till luffy went Giant form and caught him.So if Gaara does a 50c speed feat and Naruto in his final form clearly should be faster that does not count?
Sanji ≤ Kizaru ≤ LuffyThink of it this way, Sanji reacts to Kizaru attacks who scales to Luffy's who he kept up with, till luffy went Giant form and caught him.
what is being saif here is the definition of circular scaling.
Even me who literally pass to scale one piece (no offense) knows that Sanji "fought" kizaru without him doing accelerationThink of it this way, Sanji reacts to Kizaru attacks who scales to Luffy's who he kept up with, till luffy went Giant form and caught him.
what is being saif here is the definition of circular scaling.
Yes these three has npiThe energy is phasing through the exterior of something to hit it's interior
Unless these three things have NPI for intangibles, it's gets pass this no problem
Can the TSO's and chakra cloaks interact with intangibles?
Luffy just needs to stat stomp the clones and reach the real Naruto before he runs out of time.
I think since Naruto is gonna be drawing out the fight long enough for the time limit to be of importance, luffy will have enough time to grow and stat stomp him before the time limit is reached
At the end of the day tho Ig that's just differing opinions
I said Sanji has scaled to kizaru's attacks which we see.I'm a bigger Sanji fan than any, but you have to be either completely oblivious to One Piece's scaling or intentionally dishonest to say that Kizaru doesn't scale to Base Sanji's casual speed
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Luffys haki has NPI which according to the rules of the wiki allows him to interact non physical objectsLuffy can't interact with Chakra because it is made from Mental and physical energy..
The haki page is a thing but sureThe physical energy refers to cells and the mental energy includes emotions, experiences, etc, if you can't give me a reference for when Haki has directly interacted with these concepts combined then anything Naruto send his way can't be interacted,
The body is already physical so NPI isn't needed...if your referring to physical energy we already have devil fruits that also consist of physical energyif you can't show me Luffy interacting with chakra specifically the one made from the Body and soul in Naruto all your argument becomes irrelevant..Since you guys want to have your cake and eat it at the same time.
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Nope. That depends on the context. You can't power null something if you can't even touch itAgainst powernull, yes it does... And then you need proof TSO can erase something like Haki
I already addressed this, just scroll back so I don't have to repeat it againGood thing haki isn't composed of one's soul
no it's sanji can react to Kizaru attacks except his fastest which was stated to be light-speed by oda and what blitzed everyone in egghead, casual Kizaru can also fight luffy relatively till luffy goes giant.Empty drums continue to beat the loudest
Sanji ≤ Kizaru ≤ Luffy
She or he should triple it, so we can get to 46 pages and surpass Gojo vs MakimaTrihexa single handedly doubled the page count of this thread with it's stonewalling
no it's sanji can react to Kizaru attacks except his fastest which was stated to be light-speed by oda and what blitzed everyone in egghead, casual Kizaru can also fight luffy relatively till luffy goes giant.
Saying this nonsense when luffy scaling was just changed during this fight shows who is really being dishonest here.
NPI is not universal it depends on what Luffy has interacted with, you don't just slap anything in a cross-verse debate.Luffys haki has NPI which according to the rules of the wiki allows him to interact non physical objects
The haki page is a thing but sure
For starters...cells are physical...nobody needs any form of NPI to interact with that. If your referring to physical energy then devil fruits like enels lightning exists and since lightning is a form of physical energy, we can conclude that luffy through haki can interact with that
For mental energy uhh...I'm a bit confused what you mean when you say that includes emotions and experiences. Are you implying that chakra in it if itself is an emotion and/or that chakra in it if itself is an experience? Gonna need more elaboration for that.
The body is already physical so NPI isn't needed...if your referring to physical energy we already have devil fruits that also consist of physical energy
So for NarutoNPI is not universal it depends on what Luffy has interacted with, you don't just slap anything in a cross-verse debate.
Willpower comes from the Mind and it's literally a thing in the Naruto verse and can be used when creating the spiritual aspect of chakra it's literally a component of mental energy.. The will of Fire, Heck characters like Kaguya can straight up manipulate and give their will a physical form(Zetsu).. will or Will power is a part of spiritual/mental energy.. You need to stop coping..Because they regularly turn things to dust it'll still hurt them regardless
It is not spiritual energy in the sense of energy from your damn soul.
It is energy caused by willpower.
Naruto's energy is not that. Naruto spiritual energy is not the energy from your willpower. It is the energy from their souls, consciousness, and experiences.
They are 2 completely different things.
You do not need to equalize an ability for it to be on a vs thread. If it doesn't equalize, then too bad.
repeat again, too much spam... Actually wait, yee repeat.. To much spam and I don't know what you're referring toI already addressed this, just scroll back so I don't have to repeat it again
So you saying TSO can't powernull Haki, otherwise you're not making senseNope. That depends on the context. You can't power null something if you can't even touch it
well fortunately naruto has better and more varied interactions compared to luffy, who's is elemental/ lightning?So for Naruto
It depends on what Naruto has interacted with
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Willpower comes from the mindWillpower comes from the Mind and it's literally a thing in the Naruto verse and can be used when creating the spiritual aspect of chakra it's literally a component of mental energy.. The will of Fire, Heck characters like Kaguya can straight up manipulate and give their will a physical form(Zetsu).. will or Will power is a part of spiritual/mental energy.. You need to stop coping..
Punching and kicking is all he needs
well fortunately naruto has better and more varied interactions compared to luffy, who's is elemental/ lightning?
He could barely reflect KAIDO's AOE which is far inferior to just 1 of Naruto large scale attacks of 1000s of Naruto clones,Willpower comes from the mind
This does not mean that interacting with the mind means you interact with willpower
Bro said the will of fire for no reason
Punching and kicking is all he needs
I don't care how many rasengan variants he has they're getting reflected
He did it with ease wtf are you talking aboutbro he could barely reflect KAIDO's AOE which is far inferior to just 1 of Naruto large scale attacks.
He could barely reflect KAIDO's AOE which is far inferior to just 1 of Naruto large scale attacks of 1000s of Naruto clones,
yea that's my Point put kaido attack and Naruto attack AOE and it's not even close. now imagined many more clones attacking as well.He did it with ease wtf are you talking about
Luffy's transmutation range is thousands of kilometers. That's far beyond anything Naruto has shown.yea that's my Point put kaido attack and Naruto attack AOE and it's not even close. now imagined many more clones attacking as well.
Counterargument, One Piece planet is the size of the sun, Naruto AoE could be more impressive in paper but Kaido's flame is the size of a planet by this logicyea that's my Point put kaido attack and Naruto attack AOE and it's not even close. now imagined many more clones attacking as well.
what does this have to do with wat i said, y'all just doing too much at this point.![]()
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The most naruto has attacked a person with from all angles is kunais and kicksyea that's my Point put kaido attack and Naruto attack AOE and it's not even close. now imagined many more clones attacking as well.
That's irrelevant here, Kaido is not the size of a planet.Counterargument, One Piece planet is the size of the sun, Naruto AoE could be more impressive in paper but Kaido's flame is the size of a planet by this logic![]()
He is that guy my Man, luffy just isn't which you can't just understand.The most naruto has attacked a person with from all angles is kunais and kicks
Stop acting like this is a ninja storm ultimate naruto is not that guy
Luffy by existing shook an island the size of australiaHe is that guy my Man, luffy just isn't which you can't just understand.
1 of Naruto's attacks alone would require luffy's full defensive capabilities on a level than what he did against Kaido.