You do not need to be able to transmute souls to transmute energy from souls
It does not need to have resistance to EE. The TSOs need to show to be able to erase something that phases.
Good thing all of luffy's attacks are coated in dura neg
is said if for a reason
Against powernull, yes it does... And then you need proof TSO can erase something like Haki
Good thing haki isn't composed of one's soul
Pretty sure both fighting in character and not bloodlust so true. 100%
You calling it Will power doesn't make it all of a sudden a special thing.. It's spiritual energy if you argue that Chakra can't interact with Haki. Then it is vice versa, Haki wouldn't be able to do the same. Then take Haki and the One Piece verse out of the VS battle wiki this place is not for them you can do your battles Inverse only since no verse on the wiki has Haki.
And what is chakra made of? Mind/soul and guess what the mind does? It makes up emotion, will power, memories and killing intent. They all manifest through chakra, haki and chakra are similar and to not agree is to be disingenuous. You can’t point to anything in Hali’s composition that contradicts chkara none.
This is wrong, chkara is metaphysical energy and always existed as such. That’s why ghost hags is called a chakra sprit cuz that’s what chakra is soul/mind. It was never created, you are conflating the chakra used for ninjutsu which incorporates physical energy as an enhancer rather than creator.
If you EE a substance that’s composed of will power and other factors, are you not EE will power? Just cuz a seasoned killer like Minato doesn’t get depressed because he lost a little bit of chakra (which he anyways constantly does via ninjutsu) doesn’t disqualify it
Huh? Nard always fought characters that are resistant to TSO, so obviously you won’t see him EE stuff. Even when his is using them he has been careful not to let sakura or kakashi touch, prime example being that nard made a TSO platform for sasuke cuz he was resistant and not for kakashi and Shakura cuz they are not.
You have to. Cuz you guys aren’t giving the same liberties to us for haki
Chakra constructs? Like chakra is also will power materialized sword of nanaboku literally proves this
Chakra is intangible and can phase through things (I.e souls) so yes it can EE
Souls? Limbo?
Haki has dura neg i know but haki have to bypass three thing before touching internal organs
Sorry but are you trying to say that willpower and spiritual energy are the same thing?
Haki's effects don't really rely on a person having chakra so I don't see how chakra and haki being different (which is what OP supporters are arguing for anyway mind you) effects luffy's arguments here
doesn't even need that with his countless clones.
Yes.
No. Luffy is much faster. He will see Naruto's substitution several seconds ahead of time regardless.
Luffy is 35c.
no he isn't? it says he is 13c and has higher reactions.
You've been in this thread long enough to know that Luffy's statistic values are outdated. In fact, let me update them right now just for you.
going off what's on the profile.
Luffy can't interact with Chakra because it is made from Mental and physical energy.. The physical energy refers to cells and the mental energy includes emotions, experiences, etc, if you can't give me a reference for when Haki has directly interacted with these concepts combined then anything Naruto send his way can't be interacted, if you can't show me Luffy interacting with chakra specifically the one made from the Body and soul in Naruto all your argument becomes irrelevant.. Since you guys want to have your cake and eat it at the same time.
Cool. Luffy is 35.33c.
there are verses that do similar things, I've seen quite a few, Naruto definitely ain't one of them
You do know it's never inverse ever been called "spiritual energy" we use that name for a different type of spirit.. With the energy coming from one's will,
seishin relates more to one's overall soul while Haki is instead using specific spiritual sensations as weapons, they aren't legit just not the same thing
well cool i don't see that.
Refresh your page.
Does luffy can see future continuously?
lmao did you just change his wording on his thread?
Theyre different. Just like senjutsu which is natural energy mixed in it. Why doesnt tso work on that again? So no, i guess tso doesnt work on everything.
Show me a panel of haki users using ninjutsu. Last time i checked, when chakra users use up their chakra they die. When haki users use up their haki, theyre completly fine and still have stamina to fight. Theyre not the same.
no you are not, one's spirit/soul creates ones willpower... Affecting the soul/spirit does not make you affect your will... Which is the same for Law
Because they regularly turn things to dust it'll still hurt them regardless
It is not spiritual energy in the sense of energy from your damn soul.
you just applied that?
The energy is phasing through the exterior of something to hit it's interior
Can the TSO's and chakra cloaks interact with intangibles?
Luffy just needs to stat stomp the clones and reach the real Naruto before he runs out of time.
Yes? They were supposed to be applied in my thread. I just edited the pages incorrectly. Thanks for giving me the heads up
This fight is accelerating the CTRs of the one piece verse
Yeah, because we ****** up applying a revision.
You just typed up a bunch of nonsense.. I repeat unless you can show me where anyone in one piece that has interacted with Chakra before, not just nature energy or other energy called chakra but specifically the chakra that comes from the Body and Mind, till then luffy or any other piece characters are not interacting with chakra.
where is the luffy 35c calc? i don't see it there?Yes? They were supposed to be applied in my thread. I just edited the pages incorrectly. Thanks for giving me the heads up
Cool, here's an alternative.
bruh? how does luffy scale to this?Luffy scales to a 35c calc
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