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I still don't think anybody has given a response to this. Why are TSOs a threat to Luffy?
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The Sun God Nika vs The Six Paths Sage (Luffy vs Naruto).
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People legit voted Naruto based on things outside of the accepted VSB profiles... It's definitely at least incon combined with the no reasoning votes
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People legit voted Naruto by saying half of Luffy's abilities don't exist
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A Peasant is like, a commoner in medieval europe. So I meme about blue names being peasants, it's why earlier in the thread I posted a Monty Python meme.
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At least other vs threads they try to go based on the profiles, I guess not with this one
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This is part of why I yeeted Naruto at the first opportunity from the 5-B tiersetter, no way in hell he'd lose to Khadgar lol
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Oh Okay thank you
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TSOs don't detonate though?
At least, not normally
TSOs nulling ability is passive. The very act of coming into contact with them would be fatal for luffy. Whether he can transmute it or not is secondary
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So umm.. incon is reasonable, but i think theres much more to discuss. The nardo faithful besides a select few still havent shown any valid counter arguments besides "haki dont cant do this and that" we can keep going. 
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Luffy doesn't need to touch them to transmute them.
On top of that Luffy changes properties of things he touches
Connect that with the fact that he can hit things without touching them i'm confused on why it's a problem
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Are they thought-based or smth?
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Luffy's heartbeat passively produces a rhythm that makes everything around him from buildings to islands to trees to seas dance and turn into rubber
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Why aren't his clothes and straw hat rubber then?
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ig incon is resonable with how long this thread is...
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stopped following OP at the first episode of egghead, so i'm not really knowledgeable on G5 shenanigans
Wouldn't Naruto pulling a Madara (enveloping himself with TSO) still protect him from whatever luffy would throw at him?
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Surely this should indicate something about his scaling here
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they are
#1 Naruto ain't doing that
#2 Luffy is going to play baseball with him if he does that
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Oh God, are we going into Universal Naruto now?
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Luffy doesn't passively turn everything into rubber. Loki blasted him with a lightning breath in the most recent chapter, and that attack wasn't rubberized.
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Was Luffy fighting Loki
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not literally everything
he's not breathing in rubber air
plus they weren't fighting
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he's not stupid. Seeing someone range nuke 5000 clones at once will make him act on the defensive (or he replies with his own range nuke)
so he'll make contact with the insta-kill orbs?
For the changing properties ish, he changes them to rubber
The innate properties still remain the same
From what i can see on his profile, the lightning was still electric. just rubberfied
Delusionaltx2
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dosen't armament allow luffy to harm things from the inside out without contact?
Why can't he just have his attacks strike through the TSO?
edit: ig its a combanation of armament and conqurors but these are things luffy normally uses in character so the point still stands tho
Why can't he just have his attacks strike through the TSO?
edit: ig its a combanation of armament and conqurors but these are things luffy normally uses in character so the point still stands tho
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So it's sound-based? If so, then if TSO have evidence of erasing soundwaves it'd negate the rubberization. If not, the rubberization should work.
Not here to argue in favor of either, just saying what evidence would be required to prove whether this works or not.
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Testarossa002
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can't see shit but i was replying to the baseball bit. He does need to make contact to play ping pong or baseballuuhhh
he dosen't need to make contact tho...
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Naruto just could tank it then and then regenerate himself because he has enough durability ig
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Nah, Luffy would just turn it into rubber and punch through it to hit Naruto
Or just flatten it + Naruto altogether
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Luffy can negate Naruto's regeneration.
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He can not change the property of TSO to rubber as he can change the function of what they are? TSO erase matter, people and even constructs made from energy like susanno. They only nullify ninjutsu when Yin & Yang release is applied on them. the Haki emission will get erased and so will his body if it touches TSO. TSO will erase the flow of Armament and Supreme King Haki that is being emmitted. unless Haki has resistance to EE, which it doesn't then Haki will never bypass TSO.
Luffy Gear 5 awakening has both elements of paramecia and zoan as a mythical devil fruit. and we seen he has to have contact with things to rubberize them.
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I just gave you feats where he's done so with his Subjective Reality, Toon Force, and Reality Manipulation.
See, this is what we're talking about. The majority of the Naruto side just says "no" to abilities as if they don't exist
Delusionaltx2
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As we can clearly see, weapons coated in haki don't need to make contact
R81handman
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Naruto already shown he is resistant to Transmutation.Nah, Luffy would just turn it into rubber and punch through it to hit Naruto
Or just flatten it + Naruto altogether
Resistance to Biological Manipulation, Transmutation & Madness Manipulation (Type 1) (Should possess his adult self’s tolerance for Hashirama Senju's cells. Hashirama's cells have been shown to have multiple adverse side effects to anyone who's been infected with them, which include sickness, weakness, unconsciousness, madness, being overwhelmed by his Wood Style and turning into a tree, and eventually death.
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TSO also has subjective reality as it contians yin & yang release.
I did not deny Luffy abilities? I just said theu won't work on Naruto
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Luffy's is layered. He transmutes Kaidou, who has a passive Haki defense that resists transmutation.
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TSO still erases energy
I thought KT meant something like thinking TSO into rubber
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