The Sun God Nika vs The Six Paths Sage (Luffy vs Naruto).

[MonkeyOfLife]

Eww Warcraft... I'm fine with your Warhammer fancies but Warcraft is taking things too far unhealthy game

 

[DaReaperMan]

Eww Warcraft... I'm fine with your Warhammer fancies but Warcraft is taking things too far unhealthy game

I don't even play it 95% of the time i just look into the lore cause I like that lmfao

 

[Trihexa102]

Nobody is saying that Luffy has clairvoyance of random places in the world, he sees the area around him.
Luffy has not shown anything saying he is far inferior to Shanks whatsoever.
It does not give any sort of tunnel vision, this is fully your headcanon way of trying to explain the few times Luffy was tagged

Luffy is reading his mind, seeing his future actions, and dodging everything he can do. He is not getting caught off guard by any means

Reading his mind? thought only viola can do that cause of her devil fruit? if you mean emotions then Naruto can do that as well.
Luffy is definitely getting off-guarded(and even if he doesn't it won't help him) we have seen his fights against kat, kaido, elders and more, he definitely wear himself out against Naruto and lose eventually.

 

[KingTempest]

Reading his mind? thought only viola can do that cause of her devil fruit? if you mean emotions then Naruto can do that as well.
Luffy is definitely getting off-guarded(and even if he doesn't it won't help him) we have seen his fights against kat, kaido, elders and more, he definitely will against Naruto.

No. Reading his mind.
Kenbun lets you hear the voice of others and allows you to sense their actions through hearing their "voice", effectively giving you mind reading.

 

[Trihexa102]

No. Reading his mind.
Kenbun lets you hear the voice of others and allows you to sense their actions through hearing their "voice", effectively giving you mind reading.

well this can't be literally as it break the narrative of the series if luffy can read the mind of everyone he has met, i see this meaning more about emotions and intent sensing.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I don't even play it 95% of the time i just look into the lore cause I like that lmfao

thats valid

 

[KingTempest]

well this can't be literally as it break the narrative of the series if luffy can read the mind of everyone he has met, i see this meaning more about emotions.

It is not mind reading in the sense of Professor X.
Whatever you think about doing fighting wise, an observation haki user can sense you thinking about it, sense you doing it, and dodge accordingly.
Satori can tell Luffy's planning on stretching.
Satori can tell Sanji's planning on kicking him in his head.
Rayleigh can tell the exact movement that the elephant plans on doing.

Whatever Naruto plans on doing, basic kenbun users will know.
And if basic kenbun users will know, Luffy will too.

 

[KingTempest]

@MonkeyOfLife does the Voice of All Things have any combat applications helpful in the fight or nada?

 

[Trihexa102]

It is not mind reading in the sense of Professor X.
Whatever you think about doing fighting wise, an observation haki user can sense you thinking about it, sense you doing it, and dodge accordingly.
Satori can tell Luffy's planning on stretching.
Satori can tell Sanji's planning on kicking him in his head.
Rayleigh can tell the exact movement that the elephant plans on doing.

Whatever Naruto plans on doing, basic kenbun users will know.
And if basic kenbun users will know, Luffy will too.

what i can tell from that is that it's emotion sensing and intent sensing which is not special in Naruto either man.
it's not literally reading Naruto's mind like you said.

Naruto is pretty unpredictable and tricky, Luffy wouldn't be able to fully tell what Naruto is planning.

 

[KingTempest]

what i can tell from that is that it's emotion sensing and intent sensing which is not special in Naruto either man.
it's not literally reading Naruto's mind like you said.

Naruto is pretty unpredictable and tricky, Luffy wouldn't be able to fully tell what Naruto is planning.

You literally looked at scans of this man sensing what someone was about to do, telling them what they were about to do, having it stated as "reading minds", and you shortened it to emotion and intent sensing, and said that it can be avoided by being "unpredictable and tricky".

This is just dishonest as all hell.

 

[Trihexa102]

You literally looked at scans of this man sensing what someone was about to do, telling them what they were about to do, having it stated as "reading minds", and you shortened it to emotion and intent sensing, and said that it can be avoided by being "unpredictable and tricky".

This is just dishonest as all hell.

bruh you literally just said they aren't reading minds, now you think they are reading minds based on that scan?

Minds here in this context is what we know OBS haki does intent and emotion sensing not literally what Naruto is thinking of doing.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

@MonkeyOfLife does the Voice of All Things have any combat applications helpful in the fight or nada?

It's sensing and understanding things of all living creatures... It can be combat applicable but its very situational depending on if it's necessity

 

[KingTempest]

bruh you literally just said they aren't reading minds, now you think they are reading minds based on that scan?

Minds here in this context is what we know OBS haki does intent and emotion sensing.

I said that it isn't reading minds in the sense of Professor X "everything you think i hear in my head"
It is reading minds in the sense of "everything you plan to do i sense it".

You think intent sensing is gonna allow you to predict STRETCHING?????

What do you think they mean by HEARING VOICES???

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

It is not mind reading in the sense of Professor X.
Whatever you think about doing fighting wise, an observation haki user can sense you thinking about it, sense you doing it, and dodge accordingly.
Satori can tell Luffy's planning on stretching.
Satori can tell Sanji's planning on kicking him in his head.
Rayleigh can tell the exact movement that the elephant plans on doing.

Whatever Naruto plans on doing, basic kenbun users will know.
And if basic kenbun users will know, Luffy will too.

Skilled shinboi are able to read the minds of others via physical contact, so Nard has experience with fighting peps while getting his mind read and vise versa.

Moreover shinobi have a baseline ability to sense hostile intention and bloodlust. Even with all these things Shinboi are able to fight eachother unbothered by these abilities,’with sharingan and such doujutsu scaling higher.

 

[Trihexa102]

I said that it isn't reading minds in the sense of Professor X "everything you think i hear in my head"
It is reading minds in the sense of "everything you plan to do i sense it".

You think intent sensing is gonna allow you to predict STRETCHING?????

What do you think they mean by HEARING VOICES???

i mean i guess it might be more advanced but it's unquantifiable to a certain degree, all i know is that is not mind reading nor does Haki allow you mind read.

 

[KingTempest]

Skilled shinboi are able to read the minds of others via physical contact, so Nard has experience with fighting peps while getting his mind read and vise versa.

They are not able to read the minds of others via physical contact.
They hit each other and they enter a spiritual plane where they speak and share their emotions.
This is the entire point of Ninshu, everything they show earlier is just foreshadowed Ninshu.

These guys are not fighting reading each others minds.

Moreover shinobi have a baseline ability to sense hostile intention and bloodlust. Even with all these things Shinboi are able to fight eachother with sharingan and such doujutsu scaling higher.

This is literally just them sensing dangerous chakra from people who get too uppity.

This is not impressive.

 

[Trihexa102]

They are not able to read the minds of others via physical contact.
They hit each other and they enter a spiritual plane where they speak and share their emotions.
This is the entire point of Ninshu, everything they show earlier is just foreshadowed Ninshu.

These guys are not fighting reading each others minds.

This is literally just them sensing dangerous chakra from people who get too uppity.

This is not impressive.

lol bruh now you downplaying as well, you oversimplified what he said.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It's sensing and understanding things of all living creatures... It can be combat applicable but its very situational depending on if it's necessity

yes, Luffy can sense and hear Karuma if he's advising Naruto of a plan

 

[KingTempest]

i mean i guess it might be more advanced but it's unquantifiable to a certain degree, all i know is that is not mind reading nor does Haki allow you mind read.

"Paragraph in Black Text left of Upper Caption:
By reading the opponent's mind, one can sense their next move! This ability can be applied in various situations, such as evading enemy attacks or predicting their movements to land attacks."

"Since he's not thinking anything, Enel can't read his mind."

"You could say that mantra is the power to listen. Just by being alive, humans emit voices from their bodies. Those born with the gift of mantra can hear them and know a person's next move."

You are in denial

 

[DaReaperMan]

The current argument in my eyes:

 

[Trihexa102]

"Paragraph in Black Text left of Upper Caption:
By reading the opponent's mind, one can sense their next move! This ability can be applied in various situations, such as evading enemy attacks or predicting their movements to land attacks."

"Since he's not thinking anything, Enel can't read his mind."

"You could say that mantra is the power to listen. Just by being alive, humans emit voices from their bodies. Those born with the gift of mantra can hear them and know a person's next move."

You are in denial

Am not in denial i just know narratively it's obvious luffy cannot read your mind nor can anyone in OP except devil fruit user specialized with that power.

 

[KingTempest]

lol bruh now you downplaying as well, you oversimplified what he said.

You read "they read minds" and said "they don't read minds"

What he did was explain a mechanic and I (attempted to) correct[ed] him by explaining what truly happened.

I am not oversimplifying what he said.

He said that throughout a fight they are reading each other's minds.
I said that they are connecting with each other's hearts.

Those are 2 different things.

 

[KingTempest]

Am not in denial i just know narratively it's obvious luffy cannot read your mind nor can anyone in OP except devil fruit user specialized with that power.

The manga itself literally says they read minds.
You are in denial.

They read minds, they fight with that version of mind reading.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

There are multiple ways to "read" ones mind... They understand and grasp their minds, enabling them to sense their next moves

 

[KingTempest]

It's literally on the vs page for Haki

• Telepathy (Can read the minds of others, hearing their voices and thoughts<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Haki#cite_note-One_Piece_Vol_28_Chapter_257-11"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></a>)

This is an accepted ability. you not agreeing means nothing.

 

[Trihexa102]

The manga itself literally says they read minds.
You are in denial.

They read minds, they fight with that version of mind reading.

or they read intent and emotions to a much more advanced level, just not your thoughts and what is you are thinking. That is a very generous assumption.

 

[DaReaperMan]

It's literally on the vs page for Haki


This is an accepted ability. you not agreeing means nothing.

What does "<span>[</span>11<span>]</span>" mean?

 

[Trihexa102]

It's literally on the vs page for Haki


This is an accepted ability. you not agreeing means nothing.

bruh since when can luffy or OP characters read peoples minds this is something man.

regardless it contradicts the narrative and there are many anti-feats so you just shooting yourself in the foot with this, not like it matter when naruto fights characters that like alternative said can read minds as well.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Since like... early in the lifespan of Observation Haki. Something not being brought up every other damn image with a Kenbun user in it doesn't mean it don't exist.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

bruh since when can luffy or OP characters read peoples minds this is something man.

regardless it contradicts the narrative and there are many anti-feats so you just shooting yourself in the foot with this.

if you are thinking... Hmm, I'm going to throw a bomb in the air as a distraction than shoot you with my pistol, obs Haki by "reading" your mind, knows you will do all of that beforehand, and then they'll also see mental images of it exactly happening

 

[KingTempest]

or they read intent and emotions to a much more advanced level, just not your thoughts and what is you are thinking. That is a very generous assumption.

So they can read intent and emotions to predict someone is stretching based on moving their arm?
Okay.

"They read minds"
"They read minds"
"That is a very generous assumptions"

bruh since when can luffy or OP characters read peoples minds this is something man

Since Skypiea when the first Kenbunshoku Haki user shown in the manga read the minds of the straw hats and told them what they were going to do.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

They are not able to read the minds of others via physical contact.

The scan says that they can read minds by trading blows

They hit each other and they enter a spiritual plane where they speak and share their emotions.
This is the entire point of Ninshu, everything they show earlier is just foreshadowed Ninshu.

This is an extreme case and was done by folks the have chakra control that’s considered mythical to the average shinobi

These guys are not fighting reading each others minds.

This is literally just them sensing dangerous chakra from people who get too uppity.

This is not impressive.

The novels say that Izumi had a feeling that someone was plotting smth sinister while randomly walking past the uchiha compound where Fukagu was plotting the rebellion

 

[Trihexa102]

So they can read intent and emotions to predict someone is stretching based on moving their arm?
Okay.

"They read minds"
"They read minds"
"That is a very generous assumptions"

Since Skypiea when the first Kenbunshoku Haki user shown in the manga read the minds of the straw hats and told them what they were going to do.

Can you show me luffy reading someone's mind? or any other OP character other than Enel who has some vague version of Haki.

Because if luffy can read minds, then literally the story of OP doesn't make sense. you are shooting yourself in the foot to give luffy a ability he narratively shouldn't have.

 

[KingTempest]

The scan says that they can read minds by trading blows

This is regarding whenever they clash and enter that mental space where they talk about each other's emotions

This is an extreme case and was done by folks the have chakra control that’s considered mythical to the average shinobi

This happened with fist bumps bro

The novels say that Izumi had a feeling that someone was plotting smth sinister while randomly walking past the uchiha compound where Fukagu was plotting the rebellion

Genuinely the same thing

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Can you show me luffy reading someone's mind? or any other OP character other than Enel who has some vague version of Haki.

You can literally see it on the haki page on how it works

 

[Trihexa102]

You can literally see it on the haki page on how it works

lol i just got context on it, apparently he used his devil fruit and combined it with his observation Haki. Through electromagnetic waves which covers skypiea, so it doesn't scale to luffy or anyone else.
Luffy manages to bypass it by using random attacks though.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

lol i just got context on it, apparently he used his devil fruit and combined it with his observation Haki. Through electromagnetic waves which covers skypiea, so it doesn't scale to luffy.
Luffy manages to bypass it by using random attacks though.

bro did not read or watch one piece , his devil fruit only increased the range of his observation haki

 

[KingTempest]

lol i just got context on it, apparently he used his devil fruit and combined it with his observation Haki. Through electromagnetic waves which covers skypiea, so it doesn't scale to luffy.

All this does is allow him to expand his range further, it doesn't give him any alternate uses other than generating and sending out electromagnetic waves

Luffy manages to bypass it by using random attacks though.

Because he wasn't thinking so there was nothing to sense

 

[Trihexa102]

bro did not read or watch one piece , his devil fruit only increased the range of his observation haki

lmao it allowed him hear conversations, increased his range and made it seem like he could hear your thoughts.

you guys need to add context to this man, cause i was like since when can luffy just hear peoples thoughts with Haki. if he could do this all along then most of the plot of OP would be settled.

 

[KingTempest]

Can you show me luffy reading someone's mind? or any other OP character other than Enel who has some vague version of Haki.

Because if luffy can read minds, then literally the story of OP doesn't make sense. you are shooting yourself in the foot to give luffy a ability he narratively shouldn't have.

Luffy sensing Law's voice.