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The Sun God Nika vs The Six Paths Sage (Luffy vs Naruto).

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Trihexa102 said:
Naruto easily has above basic obs haki via danger sensing and emotional sensing, include chakra sensing, sixpath sensing and that shinobi's can do this having a sixth senses letting them know their surroundings. or even using their chakra as a medium for sensing by sending it across the environment.

Danger sensing lets naruto pick up on lethal parm just before it hits, plus negative sensing which lets him know when the attack is about to take place.
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All of that still doesn't tell you the exact next moves of your opponents...

So it's still below basic obs Haki in precog
Trihexa102 said:
Obs does hyperfocus on his targets, gave you examples already, when he fought kaidou and when he fought Katakuri, he could he tagged by outside attacks from flampe and Cp0. iT'S basically the same against Naruto here as he is fighting 1000+ clones of naruto who all share the same aura and lethal attacks, more versatile than him, better BIQ, better range, and more.
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The example are not examples, they are exceptions because his fighting other obs Haki users of similar levels... Otherwise read:
Observation Haki

The ability to keenly sense an opponent’s presence. By honing this ability, one can evade attacks from blind spots and discern the number of enemies as well as their next moves. The “Mind Net” of Sky Island is a similar ability.
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Trihexa102 said:
No Future-sight show the immediate danger to him in the future not the entirety of the Future? it can probably see a few clones attacking him from a certain angle BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.
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He'll see the area around him in the future, and that gets also spammed
 
Trihexa102 said:
bruh it's not a minute long it's the usual one piece anime pacing, no-one in OP has Above 10secs of future sight thus far unless we ssee something from Imu.
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You keep saying this and it's based on nothing except shanks seeing 10+ seconds
all cause shanks saw 10+ doesn't mean 10 is the max

Every main shown future sight user has seen deep into the future. luffy saw an entire attack sequence. katakuri saw an entire sequence of events. kaidou saw a barrage of hits.

Go and open the manga and stop working off of memory
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
All of that still doesn't tell you the exact next moves of your opponents...

So it's still below basic obs Haki in precog


The example are not examples, they are exceptions because his fighting other obs Haki users of similar levels... Otherwise read:

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He'll see the area around him in the future, and that gets also spammed
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bruh you are just biased lmao, no way you read all that and still think flampe, apo and cp0 has better sensing than Naruto.

He tries to read it but it overwhelms him, like shown when he has to hyperfocus on some targets.
 
KingTempest said:
You keep saying this and it's based on nothing except shanks seeing 10+ seconds
all cause shanks saw 10+ doesn't mean 10 is the max

Every main shown future sight user has seen deep into the future. luffy saw an entire attack sequence. katakuri saw an entire sequence of events. kaidou saw a barrage of hits.

Go and open the manga and stop working off of memory
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That is too much assumption which require a lot of generosity, from what i rememeber 10-secs is very good and accurate measurement.

yea the attack sequences can last from 1-10 seconds they don't need to be a min depending on the mastery.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Yeah I'm gonna go with the people who like, actually did the research for the Haki page and not a sub-1K post member whose entire argument is contradicted by said page.

No clue who wins, BTW.
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Fair enough but just because it says something on the page doesn't mean it's always true afterall this is a wikia which is subject to change.

But from what i know Obs haki is not the way it's being described on this thread.

glad for the honesty though.
 
Trihexa102 said:
Fair enough but just because it says something on the page doesn't mean it's always true afterall this is a wikia which is subject to change.

But from what i know Obs haki is not the way it's being described on this thread.
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You're looking for this. Make a CRT on the Haki page, actually go grab scans for usage in this CRT, or... well, scream into the void, cause we go by our pages in versus threads. We ain't like, every other powerscaling wiki known to man.
 
Trihexa102 said:
That is too much assumption which require a lot of generosity, from what i rememeber 10-secs is very good and accurate measurement.

yea the attack sequences can last from 1-10 seconds they don't need to be a min depending on the mastery.
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based on nothing, again, at all.
Trihexa102 said:
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Naruto can sense chakra.
Naruto can see if you're really happy or really hostile.
Naruto can sense if you're about to hit him.

Basic Kenbunshoku can sense life energy to detect if others are alive or dying.
Basic Kenbunshoku can read minds and hear thoughts or voices.
Basic Kenbunshoku can amplify senses to react much faster.
Basic Kenbunshoku can sense people nearby.
Basic Kenbunshoku can hear conversations kilometers away.
Basic Kenbunshoku can see auras of others.
Basic Kenbunshoku can see through walls with X-ray vision on auras.
Basic Kenbunshoku can have panoramic vision all around.
Basic Kenbunshoku can sense emotions and feelings.
Basic Kenbunshoku can see spiritual energy or spirits.
Basic Kenbunshoku can sense opponents' power levels.
Basic Kenbunshoku can react and fight instinctively, while sleeping, or unconsciously sensing emotions.

I read both series.
 
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Gang, this is your precog, only on par with Initial Stage and Intermediate Stage haki users. (I'm being generous too)
 
DaReaperMan said:
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it's alright man we can agree to disagree.
 
KingTempest said:
based on nothing, again, at all.

Naruto can sense chakra.
Naruto can see if you're really happy or really hostile.
Naruto can sense if you're about to hit him.

Basic Kenbunshoku can sense life energy to detect if others are alive or dying.
Basic Kenbunshoku can read minds and hear thoughts or voices.
Basic Kenbunshoku can amplify senses to react much faster.
Basic Kenbunshoku can sense people nearby.
Basic Kenbunshoku can hear conversations kilometers away.
Basic Kenbunshoku can see auras of others.
Basic Kenbunshoku can see through walls with X-ray vision on auras.
Basic Kenbunshoku can have panoramic vision all around.
Basic Kenbunshoku can sense emotions and feelings.
Basic Kenbunshoku can see spiritual energy or spirits.
Basic Kenbunshoku can sense opponents' power levels.
Basic Kenbunshoku can react and fight instinctively, while sleeping, or unconsciously sensing emotions.

I read both series.
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Naruto can do allat as well.

Sense countries/dimensions away and more.

Besides those applications are limited to certain mastery's which we don't know if those characters who caught luffy scale too(there are some i disagree with there as well).
 
Trihexa102 said:
bruh you are just biased lmao, no way you read all that and still think flampe, apo and cp0 has better sensing than Naruto.
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only you are being baised right now by saying people in naruto has the same precog as obs haki

I also never said flampe has better sensing so you would be lying there.. I said basic obs haki has better precog than Naruto which only apoo has, the other 2 caught Luffy fighting an obs Haki user of similar or superior lvl to his... So they are exceptions... The main thing about obs is to not have any blindspot, and that's sensing it subconsciously by sensing them, the danger and their next moves
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
only you are being baised right now by saying people in naruto has the same prevog as obs haki

I also never said flampe has better sensing so you would be lying there.. I said basic obs haki has better precog than Naruto which only apoo has, the other 2 caught Luffy fighting an obs Haki user of similar or superior lvl to his... So they are exceptions... The main thing about obs is to not have any blindspot and that's sensing it subconsciously by sensing them, the danger and their next moves
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bruh KT is saying they have better sensing than Naruto rn, you can't make this up.
Apo doesn't have better sensing than Naruto either?
 
Trihexa102 said:
Naruto can do allat as well.
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He can do like half of that.
Trihexa102 said:
Sense countries away and more.
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Naruto senses who is in other countries.
Luffy can hear the conversations.
Trihexa102 said:
Besides those applications are limited to certain mastery's which we don't know if those characters who caught luffy scale too(there are some i disagree with there as well).
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Yeah, the basic mastery.
This is the mastery of if you've awakened the ability and trained with it for more than 5 minutes.
I didn't even add the advanced mastery.

Idk about yall argument about who's doing what but to act like Naruto's mastery is on the level of future sight when everything it does is the basics of kenbun is just a lie
 
Trihexa102 said:
lets just agree to disagree to tired to look for scans of naruto sensing the battleground in the war rn.
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So your entire argument is hearsay, gotcha.

...also I'm like 99% sure KT avidly scales and reads both series. Not saying his word is law or anything for this match, but for comparisons between the two he's basically #1 on the site to defer to unless you want to go for Damage who... doesn't participate in versus threads if I'm not wrong.
 
KingTempest said:
He can do like half of that.

Naruto senses who is in other countries.
Luffy can hear the conversations.

Yeah, the basic mastery.
This is the mastery of if you've awakened the ability and trained with it for more than 5 minutes.
I didn't even add the advanced mastery.

Idk about yall argument about who's doing what but to act like Naruto's mastery is on the level of future sight when everything it does is the basics of kenbun is just a lie
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more than half

obs haki has presence sensing, strenght sensing, intent sensing, emotion sensing and that's it except Future sight.

Naruto can hear conversations as well from sasuke who is across him in the valley of the end.

Naruto can senses across dimensions and parallel planes of existence(limbo)

Naruto sensing mastery is pretty good enough to be called pseudo-future sight if he uses them all strategically(danger sensing plus emotion sensing).
 
DaReaperMan said:
So your entire argument is hearsay, gotcha.

...also I'm like 99% sure KT avidly scales and reads both series. Not saying his word is law or anything for this match, but for comparisons between the two he's basically #1 on the site to defer to unless you want to go for Damage who... doesn't participate in versus threads if I'm not wrong.
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someone is gonna get it no worries just wait.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
I didn't ignore them because I already looked at them on his page... I also have already seen naruto

You also didn't give anything, I'm the one that's giving you evidence and you're ignoring them
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you didn't give me anything more than i already know while you ignored mine.
 
Trihexa102 said:
obs haki has presence sensing, strenght sensing, intent sensing, emotion sensing and that's it except Future sight.
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lel
Trihexa102 said:
Naruto can hear conversations as well from sasuke who is across him in the valley of the end.
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No way in hell you said Naruto hearing a dude talking to him in silence is a sensing feat
Like huh
Trihexa102 said:
Naruto can senses across dimensions and parallel planes of existence(limbo)
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what's that gon do in this fight
Trihexa102 said:
Naruto sensing mastery is pretty good enough to be called pseudo-future sight if he uses them all strategically.
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no, it is not
 
KingTempest said:
lel

No way in hell you said Naruto hearing a dude talking to him in silence is a sensing feat
Like huh

what's that gon do in this fight

no, it is not
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i mean that's literally all the various forms of obs haki has done.

all this hinges on luffy's future sight which wouldn't matter(1-5 secs of advantage or whatever).

Naruto is more than versatile enough, with thousands of clones backing him.
 
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