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However, if you want to say Naruto can interact with the application of Haki and not Haki itself, then I could see the angle. Application does not equal source in terms of manifestation or attributes.
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The Sun God Nika vs The Six Paths Sage (Luffy vs Naruto).
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Honestly, this is all Oda's fault for trying to make Haki this slop power source for everything post-timeskip instead of writing actual interesting fights
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@Maitreya12 Remove my vote, I wasn't being serious.
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Edo tensei have physical cells. Their hosts whose bodies they possess, and their own bodies being reanimated through them.
This same website is the one saying that edo tensei have infinite stamina. This is why edo tensei can run out of chakra, but they can form new ones.
Madara himself who understands more of his teachings than anyone else says that it has physical basis
The sun exists in Demon Slayer I'm not gonna say that Tanjiro can use Hamon.
Being affected by willpower ≠ being caused by willpower.
Yin chakra is just regular chakra given a yin nature. It is not a unique type of chakra.
This is why the yin half of kurama is still tangible and physical.
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I was just throwing in stuff arguing instances of luffy growing in power from fighting foes much stronger than him and closing the gap in power in a short amount of time where he then fought on equal on footing in a short amount of time.
He pretty much isnt. His punches were enough to have luffy's hands throbbing in pain.
Luck, will and Instincts.
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It's disingenuous that people here tried to say haki is equal to chakra so that Naruto can resist "haki punches" don't try to flip this
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Hot take: Naruto only has three moves
Shadow Clones, Rasengan, and Talk-no-Jutsu
(but yeah haki is not the best written power system ngl)
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It's easily the worst of the big 3
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Ichigo fra gfn
Voting Naruto due to overwhelming numbers. Haven't seen much convincing for that, some stuff about clones being not as durable but someone brought up several feats of them being durable, so I find it hard Luffy's gonna last against thousands of clones being utilized all with dura negging attacks or just amps of their own.
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Mf’s be switching sides more than the MCU fanbase was for Iron Man and Captain America in civil war
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THINGS HAPPENED ALRIGHT?
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Honestly, you deserve it after making this match.
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HST MC match and dudes acting suprised
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Luffy has future sight tho, which would allow him to be aware of the situation.
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Narutos already overwhelmed people with very similar abilities multiple times in weaker forms + has similar sensing of his own
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Naruto overwhelmed people with weaker precognition abilities tho. In fact he overwhelmed Sasuke specifically because Sasuke wasn’t able to predict Naruto’s chakra movement.
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Not really
Naruto verse mostly relies on reading intent or physical cues to anticipate the immediate next action.
While one piece has a continuous sequence of events, several seconds into the future.
Naruto has never fought someone like that.
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This is a long thread
Ichigo FRA
Ichigo FRA
Trihexa102
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not really we know observation haki is similar, luffy couldn't precog kaido as well.
or the CP that off-guarded him(it gives him a tunnel vision, while naruto has 1000+ clones).
Naruto can onsistently keep up with pre-cog characters like sasuke, kaguya, madara.
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Kid Kai victims fighting
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Luffy is seeing THE future, not an approximation or guess, It's the future that will happen and unless Naruto has future sight as well then there's nothing that Naruto can do to offset it, similar to Luffy vs Katakuri. It doesn't matter how unpredictable Naruto will try to get, the overall result will be shown to Luffy before it happens.
Also, TSOs are affected by force and gravity like any other object, so I don't see why Luffy can't just use Hao and Buso to essentially swat them away without touching them.
Also, TSOs are affected by force and gravity like any other object, so I don't see why Luffy can't just use Hao and Buso to essentially swat them away without touching them.
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G5 can also do the same thing
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luffy's future sight is not infallible, it doesn't tell him how to dodge or what to do it merely tunnel vision's to what the oppoenet he is focusing on is doing(which is why he couldn't dodge the cp or flampe).
sheer combat prowess can bypass it, Clones can bypass it as all of naruto's clones would give the same feeling as his original self, PLUS IT ALSO DEPLETES.
He can't just swat TSO they are considered the culmination of all elements and ying-yang, it's literally a form of reality warping. you are giving luffy feats he doesn't have just to argue.
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Trihexa102
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he couldn't see flampe or the CP.This literally is not truestop speaking on what you don't know
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Trihexa102
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am talking about the first time lmao, what about the CP.You're so unserious
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You mean before Luffy had future sight?
What the hell is CP because it better not be what I'm thinking of
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The Katakuri Files...
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no luffy was mastering Future sight already
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I wouldn't call barely managing to see the future on occasion "mastering" but alright.
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How convenient that you left out the page right before this where Katakuri directly confirmed that Luffy had not yet gained future sight
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bruh it's literally in your panel, luffy was getting closer and closer to his Katakuri's own level of observation haki which is above the NormHow convenient that you left out the page right before this where Katakuri directly confirmed that Luffy had not yet gained future sight
The unthinkable was luffy possibly surpassing his observation haki which is why needed to get rid of luffy quick.
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Katakuri's Observation Haki is future sight. Katakuri claimed that Luffy was getting closer to future sight, which means that he had not yet reached that level.
Further proof is the following panels where he states the following: "If I don't eliminate him soon, the unthinkable could happen."
Let's use our brains and context clues. What is it that Katakuri considers to be "unthinkable"? Is it Luffy reaching his Observation Haki (future sight) after advancing it over time?
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You acknowledge that Luffy doesn't have FS at the time he got hit by Flampe but still hold your stance on FS being tunnel vision?
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it literally means luffy is close enough to katakuri to want to outright kill him quick due to his progression in it's usage.
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already debunked that, luffy was already nearing katakuri level usage. he couldn't see flampe till SHE HIT HIM.
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