The Sun God Nika vs The Six Paths Sage (Luffy vs Naruto).

[Saqphire]

Nard slams fra

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Whats the updated vote count rn

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

?

It doesn’t exist is what we mean, there’s no beyond adv observation only advanced observation

 

[KingTempest]

i just said there is a databook that literally says that, godernet even said he got the thread accepted it just hasn't been implemented in the profiles.

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It's been a while, y'all So this one is pretty short, just an addition I would like to propose to KCM Naruto, KCM Minato, and potentially other Bijuu Cloaks. As always, let me know what y'all think, and thank you in advance for participating! Votes Agree: DavidTTPM, Ghostimuscrime...

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The thread noted it as limited because he can finally throw them, which was cause prior he'd make thousands to millions of needles and maybe a few pricked himself through said explosion

this isn't good enough to say he would resist one hitting him, because all it does now is that it doesn't even pass by his skin due to the cloak

Luffy's spawns inside his body

Naruto resists the cellular damage cause the needles don't touch his skin. Luffy passes by his skin.

The resistance is useless

?

Beyond advanced observation doesn't exist

 

[Huesito88]

Beyond advanced observation doesn't exist

Yet

 

[Fwflygon]

?

"This is a matter of reading comprehension" -Oda

 

[Foriaa]

Whats the updated vote count rn

prolly in the 30s now

 

[Trihexa102]

Bijuu Cloaks bulk up (Naruto CRT)

It's been a while, y'all So this one is pretty short, just an addition I would like to propose to KCM Naruto, KCM Minato, and potentially other Bijuu Cloaks. As always, let me know what y'all think, and thank you in advance for participating! Votes Agree: DavidTTPM, Ghostimuscrime...

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The thread noted it as limited because he can finally throw them, which was cause prior he'd make thousands to millions of needles and maybe a few pricked himself through said explosion

this isn't good enough to say he would resist one hitting him, because all it does now is that it doesn't even pass by his skin due to the cloak

Luffy's spawns inside his body

Naruto resists the cellular damage cause the needles don't touch his skin. Luffy passes by his skin.

The resistance is useless

Beyond advanced observation doesn't exist

regardless of it's limited that alone is more than enough to help Naruto resist, luffy's dura-neg.

naruto is resisting attacks that pierce through his skin and pores down to a cellular level, far outstrips what luffy is doing here.

the resistance is not useless, like i said just that little reisstance is more than enough for naruto to overhelm luffy as that is where most of luffy wincons stem from here.

By beyond advanced i meant, Shanks and others that kill future sight.(which is actually beyond conqueror's lol thanks for correcting me).

 

[Maitreya12]

How did this shit go to 13 pages since I left!!?

 

[KingTempest]

regardless of it's limited that alone is more than enough to help Naruto resist, luffy's dura-neg.

naruto is resisting attacks that pierce through his skin and pores down to a cellular level, far outstrips what luffy is doing here.

the resistance is not useless, like i said just that little reisstance is more than enough for naruto to overhelm luffy as that is where most of luffy wincons stem from here.

No he is not

Naruto's resistance is because he has a cloak that stops things from entering his body.
If something enters Naruto's body he is taking the same damage as before.
It's like putting a wall up. Naruto's body isn't resistant to the damage, his cloak just stops it, but because his cloak is a part of him, we mark it as a resistance.

Luffy ignores the cloak completely. So that "resistance" doesn't matter.

Luffy was 6-B massively harming a tier 5 dude with this damage. Now he's 5-B against another 5-B who isn't too much stronger. He is damaging him MASSIVELY.

By beyond advanced i meant, Shanks and others that kill future sight.(which is actually beyond conqueror's lol thanks for correcting me).

Yeah no problem.

 

[Trihexa102]

"This is a matter of reading comprehension" -Oda

whatever man i confused beyond observation with beyond conqeror.

 

[Godernet]

Sharingan is equal to the base obssrvation.

Idk where this idea came from but that’s just not true

Observation haki has many more applications and proven to be much better.

Applications maybe, the Sharingan has more that actually matter to its precog before Kenbun gets actual Future Sight.

Getting significantly enhanced perceptions and being able to see movements on a microscopic level and getting a constant flow of images of what your opponent will do next several steps ahead of time

Not to mention that Shinobi already have ESP with Sasuke and Madara having far better senses than that as Rinnegan users.

1 of the better applications is, you dont need to keep your eyes on your target,

You dont need to keep your eyes on your opponent for Sharingan precog funnily enough (yeah I don’t get how it works either)

as long as they are within your range you can predict them. Another one is you can dodge attacks on instincts alone. Even if you are fast asleep you can fight in your sleep. Sharingan is not competing. And it cant see into the future or have future conversations with another person with the same abilities. Observation far outclasses and is superior. Adding on luffy's unpredictability in g5 making matters worse.


Nice joke. I vote nardo for this reason alone. (Jk)

Talking about luffy vs katakuri here. It was stated to be 13hrs.

By attacks that naturally isnt a harm to him.



Hes above them. Just that none of his fights laste

G5 cannot last 10days. But if the fight were to draw out for an hour or couple hrs luffy would probably be as strong as or stronger, with his reactive power lvl and haki blooming coming into play.

Naruto already has a big AP advantage and can get stronger by absorbing more and more nature energy (didn’t take him long to come to that conclusion vs Sasuke either), or designate a clone to do it for him far away from the actual fight. I doubt the fight lasts hours when he has that advantage plus a hax move that can dismantle him at a microscopic level or erase him.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

How did this shit go to 13 pages since I left!!?

Gl counting because there’s like 70 votes now

 

[Godernet]

No he is not

Naruto's resistance is because he has a cloak that stops things from entering his body.
If something enters Naruto's body he is taking the same damage as before.
It's like putting a wall up. Naruto's body isn't resistant to the damage, his cloak just stops it, but because his cloak is a part of him, we mark it as a resistance.

Luffy ignores the cloak completely. So that "resistance" doesn't matter.

Why would it ignore the cloak when the cloak has NPI to the same types of energy that Haki is made of unlike the ppl that Adv Buso regular go through.

And a durability that is proven to withstand energy passing through it at a cellular level?

 

[Maitreya12]

voting naruto for @Godernet reasons

How I be looking after having to catch up on all the votes I missed and now I catch people switching votes for the second time

 

[Trihexa102]

No he is not

Naruto's resistance is because he has a cloak that stops things from entering his body.
If something enters Naruto's body he is taking the same damage as before.
It's like putting a wall up. Naruto's body isn't resistant to the damage, his cloak just stops it, but because his cloak is a part of him, we mark it as a resistance.

Luffy ignores the cloak completely. So that "resistance" doesn't matter.

Luffy was 6-B massively harming a tier 5 dude with this damage. Now he's 5-B against another 5-B who isn't too much stronger. He is damaging him MASSIVELY.

Yeah no problem.

Naruto cloak stops attacks beyond even his own AP why would luffy's penetrate it? again this are cellular attacks
luffy isn't getting past the cloak or is his sage enhanced skin.
Naruto's taking his own attacks is better than Luffy harming Kaido, as Based on the wiki Naruto has much better values. I don't even wanna get into the inconsistency of where One piece is currently scaled but whatever.

 

[SlendVeny]

You can't be serious right now. Naruto does not have 5-B internal organs. He is a 5'5 twink. Luffy's dura neg will literally cause explosions half the size of his body in the inside. How is that at all weaker than gentle fist. You goons really say anything

Kachon called a teenager a twink then started talking about goons, clipchimped, thread over

 

[SlendVeny]

whatever man i confused beyond observation with beyond conqeror.

And then you mixed up both with Armament

 

[KingTempest]

Why would it ignore the cloak when the cloak has NPI to the same types of energy that Haki is made of unlike the ppl that Adv Buso regular go through.

Having NPI doesn't mean that you passively block things, especially when Naruto doesn't know how the move works.
This is why Pain was able to grab Naruto's soul out his body. If he resisted the shit then Pain wouldn't have been able to grab it and take it out his body in the first place.

And a durability that is proven to withstand energy passing through it at a cellular level?

Why is durability in a conversation about things that phase through?

Naruto cloak stops attacks beyond even his own AP why would luffy's penetrate it?
luffy isn't getting past the cloak or is his sage enhanced skin.
Naruto's taking his own attacks is better than Luffy harming Kaido, as Based on the wiki Naruto has much better values. I don't even wanna get into the inconsistency of where One piece is currently scaled but whatever.

Because busoshoku haki isn't something that works through damaging its way through, it's through PHASING INTO OTHERS.

Why are we having a conversation about durability regarding things of phasing? (My bold shit isn't unbolding don't worry)

 

[SlendVeny]

Naruto cloak stops attacks beyond even his own AP why would luffy's penetrate it?
luffy isn't getting past the cloak or is his sage enhanced skin.
Naruto's taking his own attacks is better than Luffy harming Kaido, as Based on the wiki Naruto has much better values. I don't even wanna get into the inconsistency of where One piece is currently scaled but whatever.

The attack is inside.
The cloak is outside.
Inside is not outside.

 

[Trihexa102]

The attack is inside.
The cloak is outside.
Inside is not outside.

fair enough naruto skin can resist cellular dura-neg as well, plus the cloak also has NPI.

 

[TheArcening]

This thread was a ******* mistake bro oh my god

 

[KingTempest]

fair enough naruto skin can resist cellular dura-neg as well, plus the cloak also has NPI.

"Naruto's skin can resist cellular dura neg as well"
After the proof of his skin doing it is a thread saying that it's cause of a CLOAK

 

[SlendVeny]

fair enough naruto skin can resist cellular dura-neg as well, plus the cloak also has NPI.

The skin is outside.
The attack is inside.
Outside is not inside.

 

[Trihexa102]

"Naruto's skin can resist cellular dura neg as well"
After the proof of his skin doing it is a thread saying that it's cause of a CLOAK

the scaling stemmed from his sage mode having similar statements.

 

[Trihexa102]

The skin is outside.
The attack is inside.
Outside is not inside.

again his skin resist cellular damage via sage mode scaling and his cloak has NPI which resist it along with even enhanced defense compared to sage mode.

 

[SlendVeny]

the scaling stemmed from his sage mode having similar statements.

Outside. Inside.

 

[SlendVeny]

again his skin resist cellular damage via sage mode scaling and his cloak has NPI which resist it

Is the skin under the skin? I certainly think not.

 

[Maitreya12]

This thread was a ******* mistake bro oh my god

I regret everything and nothing at the same time.

 

[SlendVeny]

Honestly I barely even think Luffy wins but y'all are arguing for Naruto SO BADLY it's genuinely insane.

 

[KingTempest]

the scaling stemmed from his sage mode having similar statements.

No.
It is because he (Net) used Sage Mode to explain the progression that he throws the Rasenshuriken so that it doesn't damage him.
Not because Sage Mode amped his body to where he can still do it melee

 

[Godernet]

Having NPI doesn't mean that you passively block things,

In this case it kinda does, his npi comes from chakras innate nature of being able to just grab other intangible things and he’s covered in it

especially when Naruto doesn't know how the move works.

It’s not really a move

This is why Pain was able to grab Naruto's soul out his body. If he resisted the shit then Pain wouldn't have been able to grab it and take it out his body in the first place.

How is that the same thing?

Naruto’s soul doesn’t have npi it’s an intangible thing inside of him that Pain also having NPI but via different means can interact with.

Why is durability in a conversation about things that phase through?

don’t focus on “durability” my point there was that Naruto’s cloak is thorough,it blocks energy at a cellular level, unlike skin where you can argue it can enter through the smallest of cracks, you can’t with Sage Mode or the KCM cloak bc they change how refined Naruto’s body is at blocking out things from entering his body.

Because busoshoku haki isn't something that works through damaging its way through, it's through PHASING INTO OTHERS.

phasing doesn’t mean it automatically goes through everything on some spacial manip stuff,

Haki phasing through trees and skin doesn’t mean much against someone who uses the same kind of energy to block out attacks with said energy regularly shown to be able to touch or interact with other intangible spiritual energies.

 

[KingTempest]

We saying Luffy can't do things he's shown to do and giving Naruto capabilities he's never gotten oh my god

 

[Mbpoops]

naruto

 

[Robo432343]

i will never forget when the op guys sneakily added conceptual type 1 devil fruit to the profiles

 

[Maitreya12]

Current vote count: 33 (Naruto) — 28 (Luffy).

Grace is back on in favor of Naruto. Lemme know if I missed anyone.

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Draw-

 

[Trihexa102]

Is the skin under the skin? I certainly think not.

like i said naruto still has enhanced resistance regardless of if you think his skin is the cloak or not.

he cloak scales above sage mode which tank cellular level attacks, with his cloak also possessing NPI.

andmost of this doesn't even matter, cause like i said Naruto would overwhelm him with clones, superior ap, superior versatility, superior LS, better BIQ, more unpredictable. Naruto has fought characters who do more or less than what luffy can achieve here such as kaguya and sasuke. G5 is also not lasting against the likes of Naruto

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

i will never forget when the op guys sneakily added conceptual type 1 devil fruit to the profiles

Insane btw

 

[Fwflygon]

regardless of it's limited that alone is more than enough to help Naruto resist, luffy's dura-neg.

naruto is resisting attacks that pierce through his skin and pores down to a cellular level, far outstrips what luffy is doing here.

the resistance is not useless, like i said just that little resistance is more than enough for naruto to overwhelm luffy.

Resistance to Limited Durability Negation (Energy Manipulation; Cellular - Due to the Bijuu chakra protecting him in Kyubi Chakra Mode, Naruto is once again capable of using Wind Style: Rasenshuriken at close range, a technique that fires an incalculable amount of wind blades at a cellular level in massive area of effect, a feat that previously broke half of the bones in his body and threatened to destroy his chakra network with the same damage the jutsu afflicts on its targets)

There are more then one type of Durability Negation.

Naruto is resistant ONLY to this type

• Attacking on (sub-)molecular levels - Fiction sometimes establishes weapons, attacks, and abilities as bypassing durability by causing damage on a molecular, atomic, or subatomic level. Care should be taken to distinguish cases where such explanations are used to justify why something can negate durability, and cases where those terms are simply used to describe the sheer power of an attack. Since this works based off of the principle that even strong characters don't have comparably stronger atomic bonds, characters established to have such improved bonds would have Resistance to this type of durability negation.

Luffy utilizes these types

• Attacking internal structures - An attack that somehow bypasses the upper layers of the body and attacks the internal organs or an equivalent. This can be done in a wide variety of ways. It is considered a limited form of negation due to the fact that internal structures and specifically parts whose function isn't to support the structure and stability of the body are much easier to injure or otherwise damage.
• Reality Warping - Characters who can manipulate reality can ignore a target's durability, if the target's scale does not exceed the degree of reality warping of the user. For example, the user can transform matter, cut whole sections of space or even throw targets beyond reality (into the outer void / chaos / nothingness).
• Temperature Manipulation - Heat and its manipulation, whether making things extremely cold or extremely hot often ignores durability.

 

[Trihexa102]

There are more then one type of Durability Negation.

Naruto is resistant ONLY to this type

Luffy utilizes these types

luffy isn't reality warping attacks into your body?
regardless like godernet said above it's not getting past Naruto's body.

lets just agree to disagree cause we aren't changing each others mind.