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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

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That does indeed not disprove that Sukuna was way weaker which was the point lol. Kusakabe was straight up even blocking his dismantles WITHOUT SIMPLE DOMAIN. Something he couldn't do normally.
Are you literally not reading? The images in your link has Kusakabe LITERALLY saying he’s using simple domain in order to increase his reactions and defense.
Ya gotta take a break cuz how tf you link those panels of him in SD and say he not using SD???
 
Ya gotta take a break cuz how tf you link those panels of him in SD and say he not using SD???
Mispell didnt even notice that I stopped even putting effort into responding atp. I meant that hes straight up blocking them with simple domain which he couldnt do before and would simply mitigate the damage normally. The point doesnt change.
 
I personally genuinely think the LS meta doesn't work unless the person with better LS is also more skilled

Like if your opponent has a 10x AP advantage your LS advantage doesn't really mean much because you would need to be really good at grappling techniques to make sure one of their limbs doesn't graze you and blow you to bits

No matter the LS difference
 
"Grip Strength doesn't equate to LS"

The individual in this video was wearing protective gear and was not harmed



Rock Climbers grip strength is often far higher than their lifting strength, as shown in this video where a rock climber is able to compete with professional strongmen in grip strength but caps out because he doesn't have a high enough lifting strength

I myself have higher grip strength than people I know who can lift more than me (I do a lot of grip strength training)


(Also Climbing Stuff is a really good rock climbing channel imo, if you're into it go check them out #notsponsored)
 


Rock Climbers grip strength is often far higher than their lifting strength, as shown in this video where a rock climber is able to compete with professional strongmen in grip strength but caps out because he doesn't have a high enough lifting strength

I myself have higher grip strength than people I know who can lift more than me (I do a lot of grip strength training)


(Also Climbing Stuff is a really good rock climbing channel imo, if you're into it go check them out #notsponsored)

In the scenario you gave, the character with higher LS would be able to shrug off the crushing force of the striking strength character.

But I get what your trying to say.
 


Rock Climbers grip strength is often far higher than their lifting strength, as shown in this video where a rock climber is able to compete with professional strongmen in grip strength but caps out because he doesn't have a high enough lifting strength

I myself have higher grip strength than people I know who can lift more than me (I do a lot of grip strength training)


(Also Climbing Stuff is a really good rock climbing channel imo, if you're into it go check them out #notsponsored)

Isn't this due to different muscles being used? Also The Climber reference W
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Isn't this due to different muscles being used?
Striking and Lifting being able to have an insane difference is wildly absurd to me because of this. While yes, some muscles for increased grip strength over lifting strength do apply, it's still bottlenecked to your lifting strength though; eventually the former caps out because of the latter. So lifting strength is relative to striking strength as a result.

On top of that, you're still using your arm muscles, your upper chest, your leg muscles etc. etc. when you're punching a fist Saitama-style, yet those same muscles can become 1000000000000000000000000000000000000x weaker when you're lifting something?? Yeah no bruh, this discrepancy literally only exists because Dragon Ball and DC has insane inconsistencies with relating both, but their power scaling is inconsistent anyway so why use them as a base metric?
 
Striking and Lifting being able to have an insane difference is wildly absurd to me because of this. While yes, some muscles for increased grip strength over lifting strength do apply, it's still bottlenecked to your lifting strength though; eventually the former caps out because of the latter. So lifting strength is relative to striking strength as a result.

On top of that, you're still using your arm muscles, your upper chest, your leg muscles etc. etc. when you're punching a fist Saitama-style, yet those same muscles can become 1000000000000000000000000000000000000x weaker when you're lifting something?? Yeah no bruh, this discrepancy literally only exists because Dragon Ball and DC has insane inconsistencies with relating both, but their power scaling is inconsistent anyway so why use them as a base metric?
I wouldn't say it matters much in fiction but I know the main issue is LS is for sustained contraction, while punching or kicking is from fast twitch fibers. Fiction sometimes incorporates this but yeah most the time it doesn't really make sense. Kinda why I always find it funny we have class P or E characters but their greatest feats barely get into tier 6.
 
Like for Goku, I have no idea why he's low multiversal but only class G. Beam struggles make no sense when they're throwing around the energy they release but energy just gets made inconsistent in powerscaling.
 
I wouldn't say it matters much in fiction but I know the main issue is LS is for sustained contraction, while punching or kicking is from fast twitch fibers. Fiction sometimes incorporates this but yeah most the time it doesn't really make sense. Kinda why I always find it funny we have class P or E characters but their greatest feats barely get into tier 6.
LS upscaling from AP and viceversa would probably lead to some inconcistencies in narratives, but it wouldn't be all that bad, it would finally make sense to have physicals be relative to their attack power; especially when we rate the AP of some mfs from their physicals.
Like for Goku, I have no idea why he's low multiversal but only class G. Beam struggles make no sense when they're throwing around the energy they release but energy just gets made inconsistent in powerscaling.
He shouldn't even be class M
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But yeah no, Dragon Ball's LS inconsistency is insane and doesn't really make any sense. Don't know why we use Dragon Ball as the benchmark here

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I’m pretty sure the manga for super also dramatically increases the LS since Vegeta was later shown to easily swat away a building someone threw at him in base.
 
To be fair that's on king kai's planet iirc, which has way higher gravity
Sure, but Class K is not much better given his base AP being around star level at the time. There was also an even more insane interpretation of it being 40 tons on KK's planet, meaning his LS limit woulda been 4 tons on Earth
 
LS upscaling from AP and viceversa would probably lead to some inconcistencies in narratives, but it wouldn't be all that bad, it would finally make sense to have physicals be relative to their attack power; especially when we rate the AP of some mfs from their physicals.

He shouldn't even be class M
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But yeah no, Dragon Ball's LS inconsistency is insane and doesn't really make any sense. Don't know why we use Dragon Ball as the benchmark here

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But yeah, even as a kid he can do this

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which is around 177 tons
Kid Goku LS diffs Post-Cell Saga Goku lmfao
More reasons for why I put feats over statements
 
More reasons for why I put feats over statements
I half-agree with the shitty LS for Dragon Ball due to DBZ Goku's whole narrative of training with stuff weighing tons and stuff. The Class M cap is ridiculous tho when he physically nullified a universe busting punch lmfao
 
I half-agree with the shitty LS for Dragon Ball due to DBZ Goku's whole narrative of training with stuff weighing tons and stuff. The Class M cap is ridiculous tho when he physically nullified a universe busting punch lmfao
Just more reasons. I remind myself so many times that, while these guys are brilliant mangakas, true artists, they don't have the best expertise in the sciences, mathematics. I will take note and appreciate Gege bringing a physicist to get Kashimo's powers accurate 😊

Also, found this in a reddit post on what Gojo's potential last words to Geto were
 
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