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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

OjeTheArcher15 said:
What it increases is his AP
What they're scaling them to is his Durability
And his leg got damaged when he got to light speed
Can we please read the thread before saying shit like this?
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"Strength" would be both AP and durability, unless specified otherwise like with the Polymorphic Soul Isomer (unless you interpret the boost in strength to come from the boost in speed, which is probably a better interpretation of Dabura's Light amp). Dabura's body also never reached 1c.

I know exactly what the thread's proposal is— that Dabura's KE while moving initially in chapter 19 should scale to Sukuna and Gojo since Dabura is stated to be a threat on par with Sukuna.

The more sinful proposition in the thread is honestly the idea that Modulo Yūji should scale to Sukuna, Gojo, and Dabura.

Rodriiogo said:
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x2 except you were significantly snarkier while assuming my position. I just don't think think Dabura was running through the buildings in that one doublespread, and they were torn apart by the shockwaves from him passing them.

Even if we could somehow confirm he did run through those buildings, I don't believe he should scale to his running KE since he didn't "crash" into anything, similar to how CSM's Gun Devil doesn't get to scale to its own KE (outside of suicide-charging) despite it carving huge paths through cities.

Basically without the sudden stop, there shoudn't be durability scaling to KE.
 
Zabazab said:
x2 except you were significantly snarkier while assuming my position. I just don't think think Dabura was running through the buildings in that one doublespread, and they were torn apart by the shockwaves from him passing them.

Even if we could somehow confirm he did run through those buildings, I don't believe he should scale to his running KE since he didn't "crash" into anything, similar to how CSM's Gun Devil doesn't get to scale to its own KE (outside of suicide-charging) despite it carving huge paths through cities.

Basically without the sudden stop, there shoudn't be durability scaling to KE.
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That's not how it works. Dabura's body HAS to withstand the recoil of said force when he's moving at said speeds otherwise he'd literally get his body ripped out the moment he started accelerating. For him to move at said speeds he HAS to withstand said KE, this is not just physics but something even JJK itself tells you with both Naoya and Dabura himself man:
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The acceleration/speed itself is damaging them because that's how physics work. You can't move at said high speeds without your body ripping apart unless your durability is high enough.

And the gun devil example is just false lol, the reason he doesn't scale to his own KE is because it was agreed that the DC didn't match his KE and nothing in the story made KE explicit like in Dabura's case so it falls under invalid KE usage.
 
Zabazab said:
Strength" would be both AP and durability, unless specified otherwise like with the Polymorphic Soul Isomer (unless you interpret the boost in strength to come from the boost in speed, which is probably a better interpretation of Dabura's Light amp). Dabura's body also never reached 1c.
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Larper Dior
The story literally States his durability can't handle light speed, shit doesn't increase
And no, increase strength doesn't mean increase in durability
Otherwise Naoya wouldn't need a binding vow to withstand Mach 3

Hell he should be able to tank light speed as well since his AP scales to his durability

"Dabura body never reached 1c"
Everything said in the thread is suddenly ignored
Zabazab said:
I know exactly what the thread's proposal is— that Dabura's KE while moving initially in chapter 19 should scale to Sukuna and Gojo since Dabura is stated to be a threat on par with Sukuna.
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Yes so why are you contending based on the kick which nobody is scaling to
And it's for Dabura durability
 
I agree with the whole Dabura stunt so far, and I do believe the characters mentioned should scale to it. However, I am not going to ignore this misunderstanding of why the Gun Devil feat was rejected originally.
Rodriiogo said:
the reason he doesn't scale to his own KE is because it was agreed that the DC didn't match his KE and nothing in the story made KE explicit like in Dabura's case so it falls under invalid KE usage.
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In this same thread, after the feat itself was wrapped up and under discussion, some people mentioned it and Rusty said, and I quote, "The Gun Devil calc was just mismanaged. Our rules are in place to make sure a feat is meant to have KE in the first place. Not because destruction needs to match KE, since that would mean KE calcs as a whole would be rejected. We don't compare energy value to destruction."

Plus you are putting yourself under scrutiny as well. You are mentioning that shockwaves destroyed buildings when Dabura was running. If it were truly a realistic depiction of Relativistic destruction, those buildings would have been vaporized by his movements, something only shown when Dabura makes his kick. So right there you are killing your own line of logic.

The Gun Devil is a clear demonstration of high movement equaling high KE. His movements demonstrate this by clearing out cities while also being far larger than the buildings shown. Hell, the Gun Devil should be listed as a prime example of large scale K.E.

Please get your sources right and do not spread misinformation.
 
Electronic74947 said:
Just like that, we STAY losing
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And we are losing to dogshit arguments.
"But Dabura's body is already so strong that even if he didn't accelerate he would be able to run through buildings already. Plus running through buildings isn't really impressive, it's just running through decently spaced out walls. A bunch of repeated 9-C to 9-B feats in that regard.
This is akin to like, a regular human running at top speed through cardboard. You don't need 10-A durability to sprint through cardboard." (By KT)
I am curious, what does KT thinks gonna happen if someone launches normal human with supersonic speed through cardboard? And why did Curse Naoya need binding vow to handle Mach 3 speed? Or why does meteors lose considerably in size while moving through air at hypersonic speeds?
9-C to 9-B feats my ass, at such speed you immediately turn surrounding air into hot plasma and create nuclear fireball.
 
wow its so lively in here
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So why this line of thought isn't used to scale Sukuna to Fuga?
"But Gojo's Hollow Purple completely destroyed Mahoraga and it's wheel, while Sukuna who was about as far away from Purple as Mahoraga was, if not closer to it when it exploded, not to mention Sukuna's body would've tanked greater energy than the wheel due to having a bigger CSA"(from staff thread)
 
Qurbonboev said:
So why this line of thought isn't used to scale Sukuna to Fuga?
"But Gojo's Hollow Purple completely destroyed Mahoraga and it's wheel, while Sukuna who was about as far away from Purple as Mahoraga was, if not closer to it when it exploded, not to mention Sukuna's body would've tanked greater energy than the wheel due to having a bigger CSA"(from staff thread)
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Who knows? But the usage of that calc is getting axed for being JJK anime based anyway
 
Qurbonboev said:
So why this line of thought isn't used to scale Sukuna to Fuga?
"But Gojo's Hollow Purple completely destroyed Mahoraga and it's wheel, while Sukuna who was about as far away from Purple as Mahoraga was, if not closer to it when it exploded, not to mention Sukuna's body would've tanked greater energy than the wheel due to having a bigger CSA"(from staff thread)
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the forbidden wheel scaling...
 
Qurbonboev said:
So why this line of thought isn't used to scale Sukuna to Fuga?
"But Gojo's Hollow Purple completely destroyed Mahoraga and it's wheel, while Sukuna who was about as far away from Purple as Mahoraga was, if not closer to it when it exploded, not to mention Sukuna's body would've tanked greater energy than the wheel due to having a bigger CSA"(from staff thread)
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Fuga scaling to the wheel getting nuked soon anyways, so dw.
Had a discussion here about a month ago but there’s no reason for Maho’s wheel to scale to Fuga’s AP because of the nature of the attack (countless individual explosions occurring all over the domain instead of a single force propagating from the center of the attack)
 
BiggestOpp said:
Had a discussion here about a month ago but there’s no reason for Maho’s wheel to scale to Fuga’s AP because of the nature of the attack (countless individual explosions occurring all over the domain instead of a single force propagating from the center of the attack)
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They treat it as one whole explosion
 
BiggestOpp said:
Fuga scaling to the wheel getting nuked soon anyways, so dw.
Had a discussion here about a month ago but there’s no reason for Maho’s wheel to scale to Fuga’s AP because of the nature of the attack (countless individual explosions occurring all over the domain instead of a single force propagating from the center of the attack)
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It’s not getting nuked lmao. It’s a chain reaction treated as a single explosion
 
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