Universe in Undead Unluck

[SDTaro]

So, this will be my attempt to prove that a Universe exists within the world of Undead Unluck. This isn't for potential scaling or anything like that. I want to see if anyone agrees with the reasoning, and then everyone can go from there.

UMA:
To start, I'll give a summary of what UMAs are for anyone who isn't aware. UMA are beings that bring certain rules into the world, and they are split into two types: Concept types and Phenomenon types.

When a regular UMA is killed, everything tied to its existence goes along with it, including the words associated with it. The only exception to this rule is the Master Rules.

When UMAs are added, it's as if they have always existed to regular people. When UMAs are killed, the OPPOSITE happens, and regular people lose their memory of it (Shen had just helped defeat UMA Summer and lost his memory of what Summer is right after)

As it stands currently, it is believed that the world of Undead Unluck (as created by Sun and Luna) is limited to a Galaxy

WHY THIS MATTERS:
In the Undead Unluck anime, during the Winter arc, a new UMA, Balance, was shown (yes, this is canon)

UMA Balance mentions the Universe THREE times, and as mentioned previously, WORDS are created upon a new Rule being added to the world. If the world were limited to a galaxy, the very idea of the phenomena known as the "Universe" would not exist. The fact that UMA Balance mentions the Universe means that one does or did exist. The word 'Universe" would not even exist otherwise.

Now, does a UMA Universe exist? I don't think so. I think the most likely outcome here is that when UMA Galaxy was added and expanded, countless other Galaxies were created as well and ended up making a Universe as a byproduct.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Pretty self explanatory tbh, Galaxy should be more than galaxy but the concept of galaxies. Could potentially give the gods creation level feats up to universal as well but I’ll see how the thread goes.

I agree with the reasoning.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Just notice the scan says “this universe” I suppose the cosmology is at least low multi if there are more.

 

[ChrisXtrinity]

agree with op enough evidence to back up and the rate of mentioning of the concept of "uni" should be more than enough to solidify

 

[Quangotjokes]

Bump

 

[AyOgUyS]

I'm confused on what exactly this affects

 

[SDTaro]

I'm confused on what exactly this affects

I just want to establish a Universe within the verse. It's not necessarily affecting anything right now. It's just supposed to be here so that when it does actually affect things, the cosmology won't be questioned.

 

[rogueprestonian]

Makes sense, Also at the end of the Manga it is heavily implied that the Universe as we know it is a dumping ground/Prison for another higher dimensional species in a separate universe of their own.

Now just like OP, this doesn’t mean anything yet.

 

[Quangotjokes]

5D

 

[Arkenis]

In the Undead Unluck anime, during the Winter arc, a new UMA, Balance, was shown (yes, this is canon)

This is just concept art. Does the concept art also mention that the universe exist?

UMA Balance mentions the Universe THREE times, and as mentioned previously, WORDS are created upon a new Rule being added to the world. If the world were limited to a galaxy, the very idea of the phenomena known as the "Universe" would not exist. The fact that UMA Balance mentions the Universe means that one does or did exist. The word 'Universe" would not even exist otherwise.

If the concept art mentions the universe existing in some way then its fine.

Unless we're given more on the anime original becoming canon as in Tozuka is working with the anime then this don't be recognized.

 

[AyOgUyS]

I just want to establish a Universe within the verse. It's not necessarily affecting anything right now. It's just supposed to be here so that when it does actually affect things, the cosmology won't be questioned.

ok

 

[SDTaro]

This is just concept art. Does the concept art also mention that the universe exist?

It's in the caption. It says a new original episode by Tozuka. It's also stated by reliable anime/manga news outlets such as this one.

 

[Arkenis]

It's in the caption. It says a new original episode by Tozuka. It's also stated by reliable anime/manga news outlets such as this one.

We'd need something more than that twitter account saying it.

 

[SDTaro]

We'd need something more than that twitter account saying it.

That's the official Undead Unluck Twitter account.

 

[Arkenis]

That's the official Undead Unluck Twitter account.

For the anime.

Author approval alone does not confer canonical status upon adaptations. Such material is considered part of the primary continuity only when the creator or rights holders explicitly confirm its integration into, or priority over, the original timeline—for instance, through statements verifying that specific events, scenes, or elements genuinely occur within it (e.g., "These scenes originate from material in my notes that was omitted from the initial release but belongs in the core story.") Mere involvement, minor supervision, general praise, or characterizations of the work as a "faithful adaptation" remain insufficient to establish new content as official canon; all determinations continue to be made on a case-by-case basis, with these criteria serving as guidelines rather than an exhaustive standard.

It's from the canon page. We need more than the twitter page saying its an original episode is all. That's why I ask what the concept art says, if it mentions the universe stuff it could offer more validity but if not, then there's gotta be more for this.

 

[SDTaro]

That's the official Undead Unluck Twitter account.

Just checking, but you read their caption, correct? It says he wrote the episode regarding Balance. We're not going to get a better source of confirmation than that. The Winter Arc was announced at Jump Festa, so Tozuka himself likely said it himself verbally, so we're not gonna find it on paper.

 

[Arkenis]

Just checking, but you read their caption, correct? It says he wrote the episode regarding Balance. We're not going to get a better source of confirmation than that. The Winter Arc was announced at Jump Festa, so Tozuka himself likely said it himself verbally, so we're not gonna find it on paper.

Circle where it says "wrote"

 

[SDTaro]

Circle where it says "wrote"

"Tozuka's Original Episode Based on His Concept." That's basically saying he wrote the storyline for Balance. This is why every news outlet says he wrote it. And no, "concept" does not refer to the illustration because they specifically say, "Concept illustration."

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Huh, I thought we already accepted that the whole universe existed in the manga. Well anyway, this seems fine to me.

 

[Arkenis]

"Tozuka's Original Episode Based on His Concept." That's basically saying he wrote the storyline for Balance.

No... It's just saying the episode is based on his concept art.

This is why every news outlet says he wrote it. And no, "concept" does not refer to the illustration because they specifically say, "Concept illustration."

They can say it, doesn't make it true. "Concept does not refer to the illustration because they specifically say "concept illustration". That means concept art. They're talking about the picture they show, of his concept. What you're suggesting is that this concept art also has the idea of a universe existing in story. That needs to be proven, otherwise this just sounds like something they made with vague ideas from the art.

 

[SDTaro]

No... It's just saying the episode is based on his concept art.

No, it doesn't, man. Where does it say concept illustration? They split the tweet into 2 parts. The first part is about the story, and the 2nd is about the Art. This is just basic media literacy.

"Original Creator #Totsuka Kimitomo's Original Episode Based on His Concept!! A story of Andy and Fuuko that can only be seen in the anime will be depicted."

They can say it, doesn't make it true. "Concept does not refer to the illustration because they specifically say "concept illustration". That means concept art. They're talking about the picture they show, of his concept. What you're suggesting is that this concept art also has the idea of a universe existing in story. That needs to be proven, otherwise this just sounds like something they made with vague ideas from the art.

If it's just a matter of YOU personally not accepting it, then that's fine. But the source is legitimate regardless. No, they are not talking about the art. They are talking about the episode. That's why it says "Tozuka's Original Episode." The 2nd part of the tweet focuses on the art. I never once suggested the art implies the idea of a Universe existing within the story. What are you talking about dude?

 

[Arkenis]

No, it doesn't, man. Where does it say concept illustration? They split the tweet into 2 parts. The first part is about the story, and the 2nd is about the Art. This is just basic media literacy.

You just said it does.

And no, "concept" does not refer to the illustration because they specifically say, "Concept illustration."

But alright now it doesn't say that.

"Original Creator #Totsuka Kimitomo's Original Episode Based on His Concept!! A story of Andy and Fuuko that can only be seen in the anime will be depicted."

Yeah and the concept they're referring to is the concept art.

If it's just a matter of YOU personally not accepting it, then that's fine. But the source is legitimate regardless. No, they are not talking about the art. They are talking about the episode. That's why it says "Tozuka's Original Episode." The 2nd part of the tweet focuses on the art. I never once suggested the art implies the idea of a Universe existing within the story. What are you talking about dude?

You can ask mods if this works as canon with what's provided, because its not me personally, I am going off the canon page and what's required is more than the anime's twitter page.

 

[SDTaro]

You just said it does.

In the second part of the tweet...

But alright now it doesn't say that.

Bro... the first part of the tweet mentions concept. The 2nd part says concept illustration. That's what I was saying. If "concept" in the first part of the tweet meant the art it would say concept illustration... because that's how they refer to the ART.

Yeah and the concept they're referring to is the concept art.

No, it doesn't. Again, basic media literacy. You're also ignoring the part where it says "Tozuka's Original Episode." What do you think that means?

You can ask mods if this works as canon with what's provided, because its not me personally, I am going off the canon page and what's required is more than the anime's twitter page.

The official source for the anime said the creator wrote the arc. That's as canon as it gets. But tag mods if you need? Idk any.

 

[Arkenis]

In the second part of the tweet...

Bro... the first part of the tweet mentions concept. The 2nd part says concept illustration. That's what I was saying. If "concept" in the first part of the tweet meant the art it would say concept illustration... because that's how they refer to the ART.

No, it doesn't. Again, basic media literacy. You're also ignoring the part where it says "Tozuka's Original Episode." What do you think that means?

The official source for the anime said the creator wrote the arc. That's as canon as it gets. But tag mods if you need? Idk any.

We can ask KingTempest since he's the one who recently changed the canon criteria.

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You're kinda needed for this. If you could give opinion on it.

 

[KingTempest]

You're kinda needed for this. If you could give opinion on it.

This is kinda the most innovative way to call staff I've ever seen
(Don't do it again)

Yeah it doesn't say that he made the episode it says the episode is based off of something he made.
It's like an author writing a backstory and the anime animates and expounds on it, doesn't make it canon

 

[Arkenis]

My fault, I'll message on profile next time lol

 

[SDTaro]

This can be disregarded, then I guess. Completely disagree but eh.

 

[Quangotjokes]

To be fair it says the entire episode is based on the concept. Seems a bit illogical for him to not have some hand in the writing process besides a literal picture.

 

[Quangotjokes]

“The event confirmed that the special will feature a completely original story penned by the author. In addition to crafting the storyline, Tozuka also designed a brand-new UMA (Unidentified Mysterious Animal) for the special, named Balance.“

The special is considered an original story by the manga writer himself.

Undead Unluck Anime's 1-Hour Special To Feature Original Story - Animehunch

Jump Festa 2025 unveiled details about the upcoming one-hour anime special for Yoshifumi Tozuka's Undead Unluck manga on Dec 21, 2024.

animehunch.com

 

[SDTaro]

“The event confirmed that the special will feature a completely original story penned by the author. In addition to crafting the storyline, Tozuka also designed a brand-new UMA (Unidentified Mysterious Animal) for the special, named Balance.“

The special is considered an original story by the manga writer himself.

Undead Unluck Anime's 1-Hour Special To Feature Original Story - Animehunch

Jump Festa 2025 unveiled details about the upcoming one-hour anime special for Yoshifumi Tozuka's Undead Unluck manga on Dec 21, 2024.

animehunch.com

Keep in mind was at Jump Festa. So there won't be a statement written down. It's behind closed doors. people in attendance have to report what happens.

 

[Arkenis]

Ami Nazru is a journalist so that does have some credibility. Idk how this is handled though, but sounds like he Tozuka did help in creating the episode.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Yeah it wouldn’t make sense for him to only design an illustration tbh

 

[SDTaro]

Ami Nazru is a journalist so that does have some credibility. Idk how this is handled though, but sounds like he Tozuka did help in creating the episode.

....ok man

 

[Arkenis]

....ok man

What you presented wasn't credible enough. What he put is from a journalist who went to the event. They outright describe it as being penned by Tozuka and that he helped with the storyline. That's all man. This may be more acceptable.

 

[SDTaro]

What you presented wasn't credible enough. What he put is from a journalist who went to the event. They outright describe it as being penned by Tozuka and that he helped with the storyline. That's all man. This may be more acceptable.

Who needs to review it? Idk any mods or how to contact them. Just don't want this to sit in limbo, is all.

 

[Arkenis]

KT can look when he gets the chance. We can contact other mods until then.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Bump

 

[Quangotjokes]

Bump

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump

 

[Quangotjokes]

I believe we should add a key for sun and Luna to have universal creation feats on their profiles.