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Fair. What I'd love is for Oda to provide us with some official sizes. I can foresee there being similar arguments over Elbaph once the arc is done.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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"Elbaph's tree touched the clouds it's 10km tall" everyone's fighting me
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"Hey, can I at least get a prosthetic after you chopped off my arm?"
"Nah, you gotta make one yourself, that's not our job."
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You legit can’t say that when no crt has been made afterwards and affected active threads to come into a halt
Definitely not removing problems, only adding more.
the example would be; a wasp stinging you’re finger and you cutting the whole arm off… That’s how I see it and how it’s been for the verse
… Would definitely love that, but as already seen in other threads, stated sizes also get attacked and argued against
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We had a major issue where we weren't even sure if we could make threads for the verse or if the profiles would be locked. There was no proper resolution to it.
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Yee with the original cause being removing stuff just to downgrade while not providing any solution or plan b
That’s the issue that comes from just trying to remove stuff and having no middle ground
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As it turns out, when you tell supports to do your downgrades for you and then say "**** you, I've got mine", things fall apart!
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you somehow talking about me?
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I'm talking about the people who do downgrades but can't follow up on them by proposing alternatives or even properly edit the profiles they wanted to change.
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Leaving an entire arc worth of feats uncalculated is actually a good thing guys! Don't you dare suggest otherwise!
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Not everything needs an alternative to it.
And I would have been happy to edit the profiles myself, but as I said we had the issue where people wanted the profiles locked.
Really hard to make plans to edit and fix the profiles under those circumstances.
Some supporters wouldn't be happy even if a re-calc was made for every feat, if the results of those re-calcs were massive downgrades.
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Most if not all of it does need an alternative, otherwise the profile itself is no longer relevant, just having unknown ratings on profiles with nothing to accurately scale them to
If they were truly fair, there’s nothing to be unhappy about… the only ways that the verse supporters wouldn’t be happy on are calcs that aren’t accurate or at least reasonable
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VSBW's One Piece scaling in 2030 when the series ends:
Imu:
Attack Potency: Unknown, Possibly Wall level (should be stronger than Kid Luffy)
Speed: Unknown, possibly Subsonic (should be faster than Kid Luffy)
Lifting Strength: Unknown, possibly Class K (Should be stronger than Kid Luffy)
Imu:
Attack Potency: Unknown, Possibly Wall level (should be stronger than Kid Luffy)
Speed: Unknown, possibly Subsonic (should be faster than Kid Luffy)
Lifting Strength: Unknown, possibly Class K (Should be stronger than Kid Luffy)
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The thread saying "lock the profiles" got declined so please by any means go ahead.
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Okay, thanks. Once I've finished my Lifting Strength stuff, and the earthquake calcs are finished, I'll open up a thread to handle that.
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Honestly, whats even the point. The earthquakes are being rejected at every single turn.
"No, he can't not enough evidence for that."
"Well, earthquake formulas on planets larger than Earth dont work."
"Well, that calc is wrong too because he cant quake the entire planet."
"Well, the feat didn't happen at all actually."
Every single time arguments are made FOR it, more counter arguments are made and nothing gets done. Its a constant back and forth that is really discouraging to try to powerscale One Piece.
"No, he can't not enough evidence for that."
"Well, earthquake formulas on planets larger than Earth dont work."
"Well, that calc is wrong too because he cant quake the entire planet."
"Well, the feat didn't happen at all actually."
Every single time arguments are made FOR it, more counter arguments are made and nothing gets done. Its a constant back and forth that is really discouraging to try to powerscale One Piece.
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We have things accepted now so just build off of what is accepted
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But what IS accepted is probably going to be rejected in the future anyway.
Listen, I LOVE One Piece. I love powerscaling it, calculating its feats, discussing characters, themes and everything in between but the constant counter arguments that ruins the quality of the verse and it's profiles is upsetting and makes me NOT want to powerscale.
I want to help, I want to put forward calcs and solutions for all these problems but if everything is going to be rejected, why bother?
Listen, I LOVE One Piece. I love powerscaling it, calculating its feats, discussing characters, themes and everything in between but the constant counter arguments that ruins the quality of the verse and it's profiles is upsetting and makes me NOT want to powerscale.
I want to help, I want to put forward calcs and solutions for all these problems but if everything is going to be rejected, why bother?
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Counter-arguments don't ruin powerscaling. Consider the alternative that maybe some of those things shouldn't have been proposed and accepted in the first place? Sometimes also things are correct at the time but new evidence comes up that reframes what was already accepted.
We've just got to be more careful in what we propose.
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Bro already ready to retirewe got new scalers quitting before they even reach 100 messagesthat's how you know its bad
That man made earthquakes for non earth planets ngl he put in his 10,000 hours
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I'll stay dedicated to the cause as long as it takes but I'll be damned if this isn't a constant uphill battle.
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You play devil's advocate a lot.
I'm not even bashing you but we genuinely have some people here who just ***** and moan over ratings, on both sides.
If you type in One Piece in the search, a good chunk of the messages are from other verse discussion threads talking about how they disagree with the ratings solely cause of the ratings and not because of the actual scaling or reasonings.
I was offsite with some members (no names will be said) who didn't even know why they scaled to tier 5 but they disagreed with the reasoning solely cause of the tier.
Some people are reasonable and think of counter-arguments, and others are dishonest individuals. And you genuinely need to notice that to progress, or else people will look at you like the latter instead of the former.
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All it takes is for 1 CRT to be accepted and 1 CGM to be slightly more convinced of 1 side than another and boom, entire profiles, scaling chains and foundations are demolished.
Of 100 CRTs being made to remove feats, only 1 needs to be accepted. Not every counter argument is going to be valid and not every user is making them out of the desire to help. Sometimes it IS bias and the desire to downgrade the verse as much as possible.
At the rate we're going, we're going to have like 5 valid feats by EOS. We already lost like 18 in the past year.
Of 100 CRTs being made to remove feats, only 1 needs to be accepted. Not every counter argument is going to be valid and not every user is making them out of the desire to help. Sometimes it IS bias and the desire to downgrade the verse as much as possible.
At the rate we're going, we're going to have like 5 valid feats by EOS. We already lost like 18 in the past year.
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Is Ragnir going to be getting their own profile or just be another tab under Loki's?
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Its own profile. I'm working on it. You should follow this thread if you want updates on Elbaph profiles.
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Thoughts? Kaido seems to have gotten downgraded despite scaling to Giant Luffy.
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This would still scale.
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Alright, it just doesn't link to an exact value so I thought it just scaled lower than 40.1c?
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The Quakes can't be calculated with standard formula (and who to say if the new formula isn't going to be reject anyway, so we may not even be able to use anything from Marineford), the Meteors have been rejected time and time again because its "break" KE, Mother Flame doesn't be scale to anyone, no one has bother even recalc Wano's feats even with the new accepted size for Onigashima and for Elbaph we have to wait for end it but i certain that any size calcs for the island its going to be a struggle.
Yeah, we find found a calculate it properly (or as accurately as possible), only for people to suddently decide that those statements aren't valid or that Mother Flame somehow disprove them. To a certain point its feel like its done on purpose, even if isn't the case.
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There's just conveniently always an argument for these methods and calcs being invalid. We fix 1 problem they have with the calc just for them to complain about another, we work around that and then another concern pops up. It doesn't matter if a calc is 99% valid, they'll cling to that 1% and get the calc removed off of that.
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Well, we do have to be strict on these things. We can't be like "This calc is technically wrong, but the verse has been owed an upgrade lately so it's fine to rate characters using it."
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Haven't seen that thread, but that makes no sense... Giant Luffy isn't a speed Amp, you would have to prove that to be the case... Never has Luffy gotten faster from growing in size (the opposite has been the case). He gains more mass and covers more distance, that is all it has ever been shown to do.
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Hey, found out there is a map depcting the Blue planet and most of the islands that we know of, the map from rurubu magazine. Is it usable for anything or is it inconsistent/not enough evidence to be considered canon on the wiki?
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Well, I hope that our members are not too demoralised to continue to calculate feats, and that Damage and others will not get the calculations rejected due to stricter standards than for other verses. 
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Ruburu magazine isn't really shown to be canon #1
#2 it's only showing the islands we know showing it isn't really an objectively good map
#3 the size consistencies of the islands all vary, like alabasta and wano being the largest islands realistically on the grand line but in the map they're comparable to skypiea and water 7 and such
