Kashimo VS Toji (4-4-0)

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

the strongest of the edo peridod confronts the sorcerer killer...

VS

Lighting sap sap: Mickey1940 ShionAH Pyro9278 CosmoDark38

worm switch my weapon: Arkenis Nonynho Mommyleona Anonymous_Learner

what if they just have a tea party (incon):

SBA
Both High 7-C
Kashimo doesnt start with MBA
Both in character but know about each other feats
Both start 6.7 meters away from each other
fight takes place here
really manly soundtrack
winner lives, loser dies

 

[Mickey1940]

Toji and Kashimo both scale to Jackpot Hakari and have similar levels of skill

Toji has the advantage of Split Soul Katana being instant death, Inverted Spear of Heaven canceling out Mythic Beast Amber upon contact, Playful Cloud dealing significantly more damage than his normal attacks, and Flyheads being a fantastic distraction for anyone relying on cursed energy sensing, which Kashimo does

Kashimo has the advantage of Lightning Discharge being an instant death, and Mythical Beast Amber stat-creeping Toji off rip

ngl I have to give this to Kashimo. Given the starting distance and the prep time each character has, Kashimo can shoot lightning off rip and make Toji's head explode, with Toji being too slow to dodge and even if he was fast enough the lightning has a sure hit homing effect so it just homes in on him anyways

voting Kashimo

 

[ShionAH]

Toji scale to Jackpot Hakari

Why? Hakari has far better feats

 

[Mickey1940]

Why? Hakari has far better feats

Maki on her profile scales to the likes of Yuta and Hakari

meaning Toji, who's equal to Maki, should also scale

 

[ShionAH]

Maki on her profile scales to the likes of Yuta and Hakari

I guess from the Heavy Hitters panel but Hakari fought someone to a stalemate who one shot Maki, maybe a matchup thing then

Edit: Maki and Yuta are closer to Base Hakari though, so Kashimo even in Base would be relative to Toji so you are correct I vote the farmer

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

Toji and Kashimo both scale to Jackpot Hakari and have similar levels of skill

Toji has the advantage of Split Soul Katana being instant death, Inverted Spear of Heaven canceling out Mythic Beast Amber upon contact, Playful Cloud dealing significantly more damage than his normal attacks, and Flyheads being a fantastic distraction for anyone relying on cursed energy sensing, which Kashimo does

Kashimo has the advantage of Lightning Discharge being an instant death, and Mythical Beast Amber stat-creeping Toji off rip

ngl I have to give this to Kashimo. Given the starting distance and the prep time each character has, Kashimo can shoot lightning off rip and make Toji's head explode, with Toji being too slow to dodge and even if he was fast enough the lightning has a sure hit homing effect so it just homes in on him anyways

voting Kashimo

counted

 

[ShionAH]

counted

Is this MBA Kashimo??

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

Is this MBA Kashimo??

no, both in character, should have stated that i thought people would just assume he starts at base my bad

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

bump

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

bump

 

[Mickey1940]

I guess from the Heavy Hitters panel but Hakari fought someone to a stalemate who one shot Maki, maybe a matchup thing then

They froze Maki and incapp'd her temporarily. She didn't actually take any damage

Edit: Maki and Yuta are closer to Base Hakari though, so Kashimo even in Base would be relative to Toji so you are correct I vote the farmer

incorrect. Yuta's Shinjuku key is stronger than Hakari due to training and Kenjaku's statement. All 3 characters on the Heavy Hitters panel are stated to be equals, so saying that Yuta and Maki are only comparable to Base Hakari when Yuta "leads" them and Base Hakari is 8A is just incorrect

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

All 3 characters on the Heavy Hitters panel are stated to be equals,

Headcanon

 

[Mickey1940]

Headcanon

It's an implication and that's what's accepted on this wiki

 

[ShionAH]

They froze Maki and incapp'd her temporarily. She didn't actually take any damage

Uraume’s ice doesn’t always deal damage till she follows up, we see it clearly against

incorrect.

Yuta's Shinjuku key is stronger than Hakari due to training and Kenjaku's statement.

Yuta even in Shinjuku is relative or equal to Hakari with Gojo’s statement. What Kenjaku statemnt puts him above them? Kenjaku doesn’t even fully know Hakari

All 3 characters on the Heavy Hitters panel are stated to be equals

Overall, yes. Hakari can’t be their equals if his strongest time limited form is ONLY equal to them in stats, he needs his stat advantage.

so saying that Yuta and Maki are only comparable to Base Hakari when Yuta "leads"

Is the president strongest human in the country??

them and Base Hakari is 8A is just incorrect

Base Hakari is not 8-A, he takes a bunch of Tier 7 attacks in Culling Games lol and later stated to have equal durability to Yuta

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It's an implication and that's what's accepted on this wiki

Spoiler

Now you’re saying it’s implied?
I like how you people change your claims when the burden of proof falls on you.
Hakari and Yuta were interchangeable on many occasions, and nothing implies that all the heavy hitters are equal in any scan. Feel free to post one beyond Kenjaku simply calling them heavy hitters. Maki has the SSK, which is deadly enough to qualify her as one.
When fighting Sukuna, it was made clear that they needed to jump him if he got weaker than Hakari or Yuta. Nowhere was it stated that Maki is equal to them. The only statement she got was that she can hang around special grades, not that she is equal to them.
Also, nothing states that Shinjuku Showdown Yuta is stronger than Jackpot Hakari or vice versa. That’s clear-cut headcanon. At worst, there are at least two statements implying they are equal. Even then, that doesn’t mean much, since Jackpot Hakari’s feats arguably place his speed above Maki and Yuta anyway.
I also don’t think base Kashimo scales to Shinjuku Showdown Jackpot Hakari. Hakari got stronger, but we don’t have any statements supporting Kashimo doing the same.

You should know JJK profiles are still a mess. So what's currently in the profile might change in the future.

 

[Mickey1940]

You should know JJK profiles are still a mess. So what's currently in the profile might change in the future.

well I didn't know that, that's my bad

 

[Mickey1940]

Base Hakari is not 8-A, he takes a bunch of Tier 7 attacks in Culling Games lol and later stated to have equal durability to Yuta

well according to his profile his base is 8A. I didn't know they were being updated, since updates aren't really well-advertised to people who aren't interested in directly modifying pages

I see a character I like in a match, and I use the profiles linked on said match to make an opinion

you don't need to make fun of me for it

 

[ShionAH]

you don't need to make fun of me for it

I made fun of the word “incorrect” because its corny, otherwise it’s not your fault Hakari’s profile is ahh

 

[Mickey1940]

I made fun of the word “incorrect” because its corny, otherwise it’s not your fault Hakari’s profile is ahh

I listen to my brain because it usually knows what words to say

I guess at the time that word wasn't the right one to say lmao

 

[Arkenis]

I've read enough of the manga to know where this is going. Voting Toji

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

counted that and bump

 

[Arkenis]

both High 7C now btw

 

[Nonynho]

Voting Toji

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah gonna vote Toji

 

[Nonynho]

I've read enough of the manga to know where this is going. Voting Toji

Yeah gonna vote Toji

Me when i forgor where i've been

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

added vote

Voting Toji

 

[Mickey1940]

why are people voting Toji

I'm rereading the thread and there are literally zero arguments for Toji

It's not even an FRA train at this point, y'all are just saying "Voting Toji" for no reason

if you guys wanna vote toji at least type words and sentences explaining why

 

[Mickey1940]

I've read enough of the manga to know where this is going. Voting Toji

this is the literal only argument I'm seeing for Toji winning

and this isn't an argument at all

 

[ShionAH]

I am voting Kashimo because no one actually brought up anything for Toji yet

 

[Nonynho]

Re-reading, you're actually correct

But i'll keep my vote because of Toji's limited prior knowledge, we've seen what he does to people he outskills when he has information and Toji 100% outskill Kashimo, and in base he also should be superior in durability (with this changing if Kashimo's able to turn MBA on, which i don't think he'll be able to) and in stamina

 

[MochOath]

why does Toji outskill Kashimo significantly?

 

[Arkenis]

He doesn't need to outskill. OP set range to 6.7 meters, Toji can just swing SSK and either Kashimo's getting cut in half or losing a limb since his first reaction will likely be to block with his staff or get in close. Toji knowing Kashimo has a sure hit attack, will make him fight like he did with Gojo too, using his lack of energy harder to read his movements. He can also use his flyheads to distract from his movements too.

 

[Nonynho]

OP set range to 6.7 meters, Toji can just swing SSK and either Kashimo's getting cut in half or losing a limb since his first reaction will likely be to block with his staff or get in close.

I call that outskill

 

[ShionAH]

100% outskill Kashimo

Woah woah woah pal...

Also Toji doesn't have knowledge on anything other than that Kashimo's a big deal. At least thats what I understood from OP.

 

[Arkenis]

OP says "feats" so that includes what he's done in the past and what he did with Hakari

 

[ShionAH]

Kashimo can heal anything non lethal from SSK since he doesn't use RCT but directly creates new limbs with electricity, his soundwaves should instantly clear the flyheads and stun Toji due to his lack of reinforcements, Hajime is faster and has far better hand to hand combat skills, unlike Toji he would instantly know anything important about Toji additionally you could argue the electromagnetic waves would destroy SSK if it hits it

Does speed equal mean Toji can dodge the waves?

OP says "feats" so that includes what he's done in the past and what he did with Hakari

Maybe?? I don't know what they truly mean but I assumed "feats" are just general knowledge of being strong

 

[Arkenis]

Kashimo can heal anything non lethal from SSK since he doesn't use RCT but directly creates new limbs with electricity, his soundwaves should instantly clear the flyheads and stun Toji due to his lack of reinforcements, Hajime is faster and has far better hand to hand combat skills, unlike Toji he would instantly know anything important about Toji additionally you could argue the electromagnetic waves would destroy SSK if it hits it

Read the OP, its base Kashimo, he's not gonna enter MBA right away.

Does speed equal mean Toji can dodge the waves?

Given his greater senses yes.

Maybe?? I don't know what they truly mean but I assumed "feats" are just general knowledge of being strong

Bad reading. Unless OP wants to change that, feats are 100% what a character has done, not just knowing they're strong.

 

[Nonynho]

Woah woah woah pal...

Don't really think it's that hard to see this

Maybe?? I don't know what they truly mean but I assumed "feats" are just general knowledge of being strong

Also Toji doesn't have knowledge on anything other than that Kashimo's a big deal. At least thats what I understood from OP.

"i know your feats" =/= "someone told me to be careful cuz ur a tough cookie"
And in the first case, what OP stated to be the truth, he's been briefed about what the guy's done

has far better hand to hand combat skills

Dunno where you took this from, tbh

unlike Toji he would instantly know anything important about Toji

But it's in OP that they have this kind of knowledge, mate

Does speed equal mean Toji can dodge the waves?

That's assumable, IMO

 

[ShionAH]

Read the OP, its base Kashimo, he's not gonna enter MBA right away.

If he knows Toji would destroy him, then he would.

Given his greater senses yes.

I was asking because those waves have a far higher attack speed than Kashimo's combat speed, and sometimes speed equal means that gap remains.

Bad reading.

Unless OP wants to change that, feats are 100% what a character has done, not just knowing they're strong.

I mean sure I can wait for OP to clarify what he truly means.

Don't really think it's that hard to see this

It pretty much is lol? Hajime has far better combat skills than Toji

Dunno where you took this from, tbh

What feats does Toji have in hand to hand lol??

This is Base Hakari who should be low end comparable to Yuta, Maki and Pre Awk Yuji btw and its Base Kashimo

But it's in OP that they have this kind of knowledge, mate

Like I said, I don't understand what Op means. I am fine assuming he means full knowledge Ig

That's assumable, IMO

I am not sure how speed equal works in much faster attack speeds like this

 

[Arkenis]

If he knows Toji would destroy him, then he would.

No he wouldn't? He was getting pressed by Hakari towards the of the fight and even knew he'd hit another JP and instead of going MBA, he only tried stopping Hakari from doing domain. And he wants to use his ct on Sukuna, he'd rather die than use his ct.

What feats does Toji have in hand to hand lol??

This is Base Hakari who should be low end comparable to Yuta, Maki and Pre Awk Yuji btw and its Base Kashimo

Basic h2h is not skill. And you're gonna sit here and act like Toji who dominated his entire clan, the clan most skilled from what we saw, is just not also capable of this?