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(8-2-0) Another 10 years old takes on the llama god | Undertale vs Pokémon
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This ain't relevant but, nice Teto pic.
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One of undertale biggest suporters is making a anti undertale spite matchup?That would have been crazy
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"Downplaying pokemon" and its just saying that Arceus isn't a murder machine and can be reasoned with
Asgore literally destroyed the mercy button and he still wanted a peaceful end after the battle and Undine had a mission to kill every human who entered the underground and Frisk still became their friends minutes after their fight
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Arceus has like every ability no?
Should gold as gold just make them immune to the SI aura?
Should gold as gold just make them immune to the SI aura?
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Are there any status moves that behave the same as Frisk's SI aura?
Because Taunt is the closest thing that comes close but it's not really the same.
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I don't see how, he does not even have a resistance to it.
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Í don't SI count as a status move
Delusionaltx2
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Maybe baby-doll eyes and charm I think?
Delusionaltx2
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Status moves in pokemon iirc
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Delusionaltx2
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oh play nice exists (I forgot abt that)
Delusionaltx2
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Anyway Offensively I think power swap and guard swap should allow arceus to make up for the stat gap no?
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Tbf I am unsure if Play Nice is the same as Sparing given that it only causes one to hold back rather than straight up give up. But yeah can be problematic.
Isn't that NLF?
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Delusionaltx2
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Idk tbh
Like if frisk was like 2 hypertimes and arceus was just baseline then yeah prob but I'm not sure if this would apply to being infinitely above baseline
Anyways I'm not sure how arceus gets pass TR
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Time to see if info2 erasure can bypass immo9
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When Peak determination is used, doesn't Frisk's SI becomes so potent that it rendered an emotionless god to feel again?
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Idk how long it takes for arceus to make another avatarTime to see if info2 erasure can bypass immo9
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Asriel isn't really emotionless anymore though correct?
Like iirc the whole reason why omega flowey and asriel lose their resistance to empathy manip is because having souls makes them able to have feelings again right?
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Asriel regaining the SOULs played a significant part in this, though.
But yeah that is also a good point as well, I don't think that Play Nice is gonna work on Asriel, someone with pretty extreme amounts of Supernatural Willpower.
I'll retract my vote because of this for the time being.
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According to profile True form has every ability of pokemons, but it doesn't extends to its avatars.
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Frisk's power come from their determination and they don't even reflect on their in game stats
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This is fair
I think i'm leaning towards frisk (especially since arceus dosen't seem to have an answer to TR)
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Yeah, I'll maintain my vote.
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That comes from the Plates which apply to the Avatars.
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Yeah but arceus can interact with souls though
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There are literally things like Yamask who are walking souls lmfao.
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The question is. Can Arceus even recreate his Avatar if his info2 is erased?
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Considering the fact that true form arceus is 1A the real question should be
"how long does it take for arceus to make another avatar?"
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As far as I know, a 1-A entity is only "fully sepatated" from the realm beneath it, but that doesn't imply full dominion over metaphysical aspects they don't have shown to affect iirc. Meaning that I simply have no idea if it can, as stuff revolving 1-A is not really in my expertise.
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What i'm saying is that determination doesn't change your in game stats so power swap might not work,any way since Frisk's determination comes from the player so they wouldn't lose their stats at least
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but arceus is more than capable of interacting with the player tho-
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To be fair we have this:
Limited Higher-Dimensional Existence (Is the physical manifestation of the Heart, through which it views and interacts with the world)
(Idk why is that not BDE 3 tho but details) Arceus' mind is the 1-A true form, meaning that Frisk is actively fighting against basically a puppet of the 1-A true conceptual self. But the question here would still mean that it could end up in it being incapped if it lacks a physical llama to interact with the world, so... idk.
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I don't think we are even saying that a 5D Info 2 is ever affecting a 1-A Conceptual entity, come on.
I am just saying that Arceus' true form might be incapped due to being incapable of re-creating the information of its physical avatar.
Gotta ask for confirmation here.
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I think info 2 erasure probably works since you would need proof that your immo9 can work on info2 erasure otherwise its a NLF and being 1A doesn't grant hax by itself so after his avatar is erased he wouldn't be able to remake it since it would lack a methaphysical aspect of its existence
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whew... (It felt kinda shaky the way I thought we were going with this)
I'm not sure about this one tbh
Like if arceus just makes a different avatar then wouldn't that one have different information for being a different individual?
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Yeah, asking around some staff rn on this.
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That would require info2 manip so probably not
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