(8-2-0) Another 10 years old takes on the llama god | Undertale vs Pokémon

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Frisk FRA

 

[Greatsage13th]

Frisk FRA

This ain't relevant but, nice Teto pic.

 

[God_of_perversion]

Arceus negs anything Frisk can try and AP stomps. Spite match.

One of undertale biggest suporters is making a anti undertale spite matchup?That would have been crazy

 

[God_of_perversion]

Not only is that untrue, you’re literally downplaying Pokemon right now.

"Downplaying pokemon" and its just saying that Arceus isn't a murder machine and can be reasoned with

You really did turn against Pokemon. “Erm, Arceus simply incapacitates himself and thus auto-loses because he decides not to fight. Btw ignore these things just not working on Asgore or Undyne”

Asgore literally destroyed the mercy button and he still wanted a peaceful end after the battle and Undine had a mission to kill every human who entered the underground and Frisk still became their friends minutes after their fight

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Arceus has like every ability no?

Should gold as gold just make them immune to the SI aura?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Arceus has like every ability no?

Should gold as gold just make them immune to the SI aura?

Are there any status moves that behave the same as Frisk's SI aura?

Because Taunt is the closest thing that comes close but it's not really the same.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Arceus has like every ability no?

Should gold as gold just make them immune to the SI aura?

I don't see how, he does not even have a resistance to it.

 

[God_of_perversion]

Arceus has like every ability no?

Should gold as gold just make them immune to the SI aura?

Í don't SI count as a status move

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Are there any status moves that behave the same as Frisk's SI aura?

Because Taunt is the closest thing that comes close but it's not really the same.

Maybe baby-doll eyes and charm I think?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Í don't SI count as a status move

Status moves in pokemon iirc (and especially based on what I remember from good as golds description in showdown) basically extends to non attacking stuff/things that don't deal damage directly

 

[StrymULTRA]

Í don't SI count as a status move

Maybe baby-doll eyes and charm I think?

Well... huh... Frisk's wincon is probably screwed.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Well... huh... Frisk's wincon is probably screwed.

oh play nice exists (I forgot abt that)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Anyway Offensively I think power swap and guard swap should allow arceus to make up for the stat gap no?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Tbf I am unsure if Play Nice is the same as Sparing given that it only causes one to hold back rather than straight up give up. But yeah can be problematic.

Anyway Offensively I think power swap and guard swap should allow arceus to make up for the stat gap no?

Isn't that NLF?

 

[God_of_perversion]

Well... huh... Frisk's wincon is probably screwed.

Time to see if info2 erasure can bypass immo9

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Tbf I am unsure if Play Nice is the same as Sparing given that it only causes one to hold back rather than straight up give up. But yeah can be problematic.

Isn't that NLF?

Idk tbh

Like if frisk was like 2 hypertimes and arceus was just baseline then yeah prob but I'm not sure if this would apply to being infinitely above baseline

Anyways I'm not sure how arceus gets pass TR

 

[StrymULTRA]

Time to see if info2 erasure can bypass immo9

The ability of Frisk to switch from Pacifist to Genocide depending on what's more convenient is something else, thanks Metafictional setting.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Well... huh... Frisk's wincon is probably screwed.

When Peak determination is used, doesn't Frisk's SI becomes so potent that it rendered an emotionless god to feel again?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Time to see if info2 erasure can bypass immo9

Idk how long it takes for arceus to make another avatar

 

[Delusionaltx2]

When Peak determination is used, doesn't Frisk's SI becomes so potent that it rendered an emotionless god to feel again?

Asriel isn't really emotionless anymore though correct?

Like iirc the whole reason why omega flowey and asriel lose their resistance to empathy manip is because having souls makes them able to have feelings again right?

 

[StrymULTRA]

When Peak determination is used, doesn't Frisk's SI becomes so potent that it rendered an emotionless god to feel again?

Asriel regaining the SOULs played a significant part in this, though.

But yeah that is also a good point as well, I don't think that Play Nice is gonna work on Asriel, someone with pretty extreme amounts of Supernatural Willpower.

I'll retract my vote because of this for the time being.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Arceus has like every ability no?

Should gold as gold just make them immune to the SI aura?

According to profile True form has every ability of pokemons, but it doesn't extends to its avatars.

 

[God_of_perversion]

Anyway Offensively I think power swap and guard swap should allow arceus to make up for the stat gap no?

Frisk's power come from their determination and they don't even reflect on their in game stats

 

[Delusionaltx2]

But yeah that is also a good point as well, I don't think that Play Nice is gonna work on Asriel, someone with pretty extreme amounts of Supernatural Willpower.

This is fair

I think i'm leaning towards frisk (especially since arceus dosen't seem to have an answer to TR)

 

[Greatsage13th]

Yeah, I'll maintain my vote.

 

[StrymULTRA]

According to profile True form has every ability of pokemons, but it doesn't extends to its avatars.

That comes from the Plates which apply to the Avatars.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Frisk's power come from their determination and they don't even reflect on their in game stats

Yeah but arceus can interact with souls though

 

[StrymULTRA]

Frisk's power come from their determination and they don't even reflect on their in game stats

There are literally things like Yamask who are walking souls lmfao.

 

[God_of_perversion]

Idk how long it takes for arceus to make another avatar

The question is. Can Arceus even recreate his Avatar if his info2 is erased?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The question is. Can Arceus even recreate his Avatar if his info2 is erased?

Considering the fact that true form arceus is 1A the real question should be

"how long does it take for arceus to make another avatar?"

 

[StrymULTRA]

The question is. Can Arceus even recreate his Avatar if his info2 is erased?

As far as I know, a 1-A entity is only "fully sepatated" from the realm beneath it, but that doesn't imply full dominion over metaphysical aspects they don't have shown to affect iirc. Meaning that I simply have no idea if it can, as stuff revolving 1-A is not really in my expertise.

 

[God_of_perversion]

There are literally things like Yamask who are walking souls lmfao.

What i'm saying is that determination doesn't change your in game stats so power swap might not work,any way since Frisk's determination comes from the player so they wouldn't lose their stats at least

 

[Delusionaltx2]

What i'm saying is that determination doesn't change your in game stats so power swap might not work,any way since Frisk's determination comes from the player so they wouldn't lose their stats at least

but arceus is more than capable of interacting with the player tho-

 

[StrymULTRA]

The question is. Can Arceus even recreate his Avatar if his info2 is erased?

To be fair we have this:

Limited Higher-Dimensional Existence (Is the physical manifestation of the Heart, through which it views and interacts with the world)

(Idk why is that not BDE 3 tho but details) Arceus' mind is the 1-A true form, meaning that Frisk is actively fighting against basically a puppet of the 1-A true conceptual self. But the question here would still mean that it could end up in it being incapped if it lacks a physical llama to interact with the world, so... idk.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

To be fair we have this:

Limited Higher-Dimensional Existence (Is the physical manifestation of the Heart, through which it views and interacts with the world)

(Idk why is that not BDE 3 tho but details) Arceus' mind is the 1-A true form, meaning that Frisk is actively fighting against basically a puppet of the 1-A true conceptual self. But the question here would still mean that it could end up in it being incapped if it lacks a physical llama to interact with the world, so... idk.

The 1A mind has paraconstant physiology

Can info type 2 even interact with that?

 

[StrymULTRA]

The 1A form has paraconstant physiology

Can info type 2 even interact with that?

I don't think we are even saying that a 5D Info 2 is ever affecting a 1-A Conceptual entity, come on.

I am just saying that Arceus' true form might be incapped due to being incapable of re-creating the information of its physical avatar.

Frisk FRA

Gotta ask for confirmation here.

 

[God_of_perversion]

To be fair we have this:

Limited Higher-Dimensional Existence (Is the physical manifestation of the Heart, through which it views and interacts with the world)

(Idk why is that not BDE 3 tho but details) Arceus' mind is the 1-A true form, meaning that Frisk is actively fighting against basically a puppet of the 1-A true conceptual self. But the question here would still mean that it could end up in it being incapped if it lacks a physical llama to interact with the world, so... idk.

I think info 2 erasure probably works since you would need proof that your immo9 can work on info2 erasure otherwise its a NLF and being 1A doesn't grant hax by itself so after his avatar is erased he wouldn't be able to remake it since it would lack a methaphysical aspect of its existence

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I don't think we are even saying that a 5D Info 2 is ever affecting a 1-A Conceptual entity, come on.

whew... (It felt kinda shaky the way I thought we were going with this)

I am just saying that Arceus' true form might be incapped due to being incapable of re-creating the information of its physical avatar.

I'm not sure about this one tbh

Like if arceus just makes a different avatar then wouldn't that one have different information for being a different individual?

 

[StrymULTRA]

whew... (It felt kinda shaky the way I thought we were going with this)

I'm not sure about this one tbh

Like if arceus just makes a different avatar then wouldn't that one have different information for being a different individual?

Yeah, asking around some staff rn on this.

 

[God_of_perversion]

Like if arceus just makes a different avatar then wouldn't that one have different information for being a different individual?

That would require info2 manip so probably not