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This has been debunked here, but whatever your lil fantasy world says.
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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The blog gives evidence that whatever controls Kris exists in also Undertale."Deltarune"
But given that you could reply with just a meme I'll take that a concession :#
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Yes, how can I ever argue against such overwhelming objective evidence like "Deltarune is also implied to be a videogame similairly to how Undertale is"
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I mean, you didn't say it's wrong, so...
Also didn't you try to remove the Player like 3 times and failing each time?
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Lets see, Asura was 99 000 x uni, technically 3-A. Who were stronger?
- Not in DB, but Joker is given multi+ SMT stats
- Bowser was blackboxed multi stats
- Eggman was blackboxed multi stats
- If you count Big Bang as 4D, thats for Fall Guys lol
- Kratos was 9 000 000 x uni
- Ghost Rider le Marvel omniverse
- Not in DB, but Doom Slayer is given 4D uni stats
- Spawn Infinite Multiverse and 5D Bulkspace
- Wile was given toon hax to affect his animators
- Tom was given 4D universe pretty sure
- Simon 11D+ with Outer hax
- Kyle 12.3D with Outer hax
- Hulk le Marvel omniverse
- Godzilla Ultima technically was said to be stats equal to Hulk
- Not in DB, but Maka is given multi+ Fire Force Kishin stats
- If you squint your eyes, Blade was sorta scaled to cosmic Ghost Rider
- Technically Buffy's M Scythe killed someone who is multiversal
- Technically I think Dante was 4D Uni
- Technically I think Clive was 4D Uni
- Ash's best matched Dialga's Roar of Time, 4D
- Yugi Horakhty created infinite multiverse
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Also for Undertale, Flowey begs someone to not reset and let Frisk live its life in True Ending. Unless its memory lost Chara, its absolutely the player lol
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Name: Chara (Their name is the same as the fallen child, as also acknowledged from the latter or being called as such from Flowey; while said name varies in-game, "Chara" is the true one)
This right on the Player's page, lol. Sean is just trying to invent a plot hole that doesn't exist. This is what happens when you argue solely out of spite and agenda.
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Just the once because the thread died.
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I know but Im being way too kind and try to give him any benefit of doubt. Despite the fact that he really doesnt deserve it.
Tho on Undertale, wasnt there a theory that there is a "demon" that exists outside of Chara? From the 2nd time you do Genocide route you get some weird meta text.
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The "demon" it's just Chara, by their own words:
Though they still hate yo ass because you keep to sensessly make Genocides despite Chara no longer needing LV anymore.
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That quote has Chara literally say that player is different from him lmao
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If somebody claims they played a game with whatever ammount of hours or anything of the like, 1000% they dont know shit about it, they have just surface level knowledge, if even that, typical argument from most vs debaters
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It also cannot be Frisk as their memories get reset after each of the Genocide runs, as Sans can get how many times you died to him by reading your face, and he knows if you already killed him before. If Chara was talking to Frisk, then Sans wouldn't have his death count reset too.
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Lets see, the one only specific benefit of doubt I can give to Sean, is that is there technically ever mention of a "player" specifically? UT is so meta, but is the word "player" said in it (been a while since played UT)? Technically, it is possible, that we are controlling some other entity, that itself controls Frisk, and thus, "player" is not canonically in UT.
...But Im guessing Sean didnt actually argue this huh :V
...But Im guessing Sean didnt actually argue this huh :V
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These are some new stretches I've never even seen before. Did you think I would blindly trust what's on the profile?
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Just check this. Deltarune makes the matter far clearer and there is multiple evidence, including WoG from Toby Fox himself that Undertale is canonically played before Deltarune, and the latter objectively has a controlling Player entity that controls Kris, fully confirming the existence of the 3rd entity besides Chara and Frisk.
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They gave it to Hulk, but the power gap is mostly negated due to Ultima's hax abilities.
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They put the
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peak hax merchant vs peak stats merchant
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Tbf, they are specifically catering to a Chinese audience. This is why there aren't many muscular characters cuz China doesn't really like that, and it's the reason there are no canon yuri ships , just bait, lol.
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10.5% of Japanese people in their 20s report overspending on in-game purchases to the point of financial struggle - AUTOMATON WEST
A survey by SMBC Consumer Finance offers statistics on how much young adults in Japan spend money on gacha pulls and other in-game purchases.
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Is it safe to say this is the biggest stomp in DB history (ok, Mitsuru vs Weiss was the worst)
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If you think capeshit is higher D than Persona and their non-capeshit opponents are not high in Ds, then no in AP technically :V
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I mean, Goku vs Supes is 5D vs Outer while Joker vs Giorno is Outer vs Building level. Maybe if you use High Outer for Supes, then yeah he will have the larger gap.
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Giorno wasnt building level, you all forget where they put Dio? Even with base GE they argued he scales to A tier stands in power, you all need them to spell out?
Unless they state otherwise regarding scaling which episodes for others did, e wasnt so low, not that it mattered vs joker given came down to GER ability
Unless they state otherwise regarding scaling which episodes for others did, e wasnt so low, not that it mattered vs joker given came down to GER ability
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I feel at least GER could somewhat Joker at bay even if just a bit. I can think of some where one of the opponent has absolutely no advantage over the other, or even just one advantage that is rendered meaningless by sheer stats.
Optimus vs Gundam is such a stomp in Optimus' favor that the only legitimate advantage Amuro has is precog, and even that is negated by the sheer speed difference.
Others are Homelander vs Omni-Man, Master Chief vs Doom Slayer (This one might be the worse because even a heavily downplayed Doom Slayer is too much for Master Chief)
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They downplayed the **** out of Master Chief lol. It was Rick Sanchez level bad.
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GER technically nullifies some abilities, so Joker cant stomp in every way ig.
MC has better AI and kiiind of comparable experience, but that does nothing vs physicals and weapons.
HL too technically has range and can hurt Nolan's weaknesses, but lol stats.
Biggest stomps have not even bad excuses. Besides OptimusGundam, UltronSigma does not seem to have excuses. Sure, teeeechnically Sigma can survive as virus ig, so it "counters" physical disadvantage, but Ultron beats that too.
Tbh even SF Aquaman has a lamp that melts ice, in theory that could dry up Spongebob but Sponge-me-boy has stats and waaaayy too much hax too.
MC has better AI and kiiind of comparable experience, but that does nothing vs physicals and weapons.
HL too technically has range and can hurt Nolan's weaknesses, but lol stats.
Biggest stomps have not even bad excuses. Besides OptimusGundam, UltronSigma does not seem to have excuses. Sure, teeeechnically Sigma can survive as virus ig, so it "counters" physical disadvantage, but Ultron beats that too.
Tbh even SF Aquaman has a lamp that melts ice, in theory that could dry up Spongebob but Sponge-me-boy has stats and waaaayy too much hax too.
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Even if they wanked the hell outta Master Chief, he still wouldn't match the Doom Slayer in any capacity.
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Removing WOG from Ben 10
❝If it's not in the TV show, it's not really canon❞ —Charlotte Fullerton, writer of Ben 10 Introduction For a long time I’ve seen multiple WOG statements being used in the Ben 10 universe, and when I say too many, I mean WAY too many, with this being abused in some cases where certain...
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Removing WOG from Ben 10
❝If it's not in the TV show, it's not really canon❞ —Charlotte Fullerton, writer of Ben 10 Introduction For a long time I’ve seen multiple WOG statements being used in the Ben 10 universe, and when I say too many, I mean WAY too many, with this being abused in some cases where certain...vsbattles.com
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******* finally bro…Removing WOG from Ben 10
❝If it's not in the TV show, it's not really canon❞ —Charlotte Fullerton, writer of Ben 10 Introduction For a long time I’ve seen multiple WOG statements being used in the Ben 10 universe, and when I say too many, I mean WAY too many, with this being abused in some cases where certain...
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"Word of God" has got to be one of the most abused things ever
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Oh I'm well aware of this (noodle arm and painted abs Itto is a crime against 3D), I believe another standard is male playable characters must have minimum facial hair but can't look "feminine" either (even tho many normies will immediately think Venti is female upon seeing him for the first time lol!).
Bruh... I've been mostly anti-WoG since I joined here, at best it should only be used as supplementary material even with the most leeway given (excluding the leading questions on social media, there is also death of the author with a good example being Homelander's actor and Invincible's author both claiming their characters beat comics Superman, kek!).
@Zamasu_Chan would be proud tbh. For those who don't know, he was one of the main users that kept Ben 10 in check on the Wiki (he once even downgraded AX to 3-A, those were wild times iirc).Removing WOG from Ben 10
❝If it's not in the TV show, it's not really canon❞ —Charlotte Fullerton, writer of Ben 10 Introduction For a long time I’ve seen multiple WOG statements being used in the Ben 10 universe, and when I say too many, I mean WAY too many, with this being abused in some cases where certain...
Ofc I not gonna pretend there's not bias downplay alongside wank in Vs debating, all too often when certain users leave or retire, not long afterwards that's when big upgrade or downgrade CRTs (depending on the verse) begin to flood in.
Each verse is case by case but hopefully this WoG abuse standard is applied fairly to all verse on the Wiki.
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What is that ichigo pose bro
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