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After being delayed a day to annoy @ShionAH specifically, it's finally here. I've had almost all of this drafted since mid-december.
Votes for general scaling. All voting mods are in bold:
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After being delayed a day to annoy @ShionAH specifically, it's finally here. I've had almost all of this drafted since mid-december.
So, we're jumping from 7-C peak to Tier 5. Is it an outlier?
Short answer, no.
Long answer: The tier 8 and 7 calcs are either casual or scaling to characters who aren't becoming the above tiers. I will cover said characters as I get to them.
Short answer, no.
Long answer: The tier 8 and 7 calcs are either casual or scaling to characters who aren't becoming the above tiers. I will cover said characters as I get to them.
As was suggested by @Eden_Warlock99, the Overheat could scale to the Might of Lilith itself.
Feat for scaling here.
The reason for this is the very simple fact that the Overheat is just another shot with a big charge time going explosive. Thus, the 5-B+ feat is the one we're dividing.
Some quick division that doesn't need a calc group member: 1700 ÷ 14 = 121.42 Zettatons
Feat for scaling here.
The reason for this is the very simple fact that the Overheat is just another shot with a big charge time going explosive. Thus, the 5-B+ feat is the one we're dividing.
Some quick division that doesn't need a calc group member: 1700 ÷ 14 = 121.42 Zettatons
Agnaa has concerns with timeframes for both feats listed above, as well as with the populations used for density and whatnot. These concerns are likely valid. So let's do some more math, taking into account this helpful blog made. This has problems, but every solution is an imperfect one, so I'm just giving you the division by how many people were helping and the division by how many seconds were spent producing the shield... That is to say, if you want to complain about what I've provided...
1700 ÷ 1852.82 = 0.917... or, in powerscaling terms, 917.52 Exatons, or Small Planet level.
Also:
1700 ÷ 1852.82 = 0.917... or, in powerscaling terms, 917.52 Exatons, or Small Planet level.
Also:
Yes, everyone did different times. This is taking the total time, dividing it, and spitting a number out for a low-end.
Angelic Dust: Gets overpowered and maimed regularly and effortlessly by Valentino, who is one of the lower scalers here. Only scaling point is to Husk who has actually genuine feats against Val and tanks an attack from Velvette.
Cherri Bomb: Her bomb did no damage to Valentino, and the only damage she did was to a Valentino Husk beat up and was restrained to be unable to do anything. But most damning is the fact Angel Dust is stronger than her, shown not even half a minute later.
Sir Pentious: Gets regularly reamed by a casual Alastor, is scared shitless of Vox, and was literally the primary scaling point for all tier 8 characters, literally going 2v1 with Cherri and Angel on equal footing, tanking their attacks, making Angel yelp, etcetera.
Cherri Bomb: Her bomb did no damage to Valentino, and the only damage she did was to a Valentino Husk beat up and was restrained to be unable to do anything. But most damning is the fact Angel Dust is stronger than her, shown not even half a minute later.
Sir Pentious: Gets regularly reamed by a casual Alastor, is scared shitless of Vox, and was literally the primary scaling point for all tier 8 characters, literally going 2v1 with Cherri and Angel on equal footing, tanking their attacks, making Angel yelp, etcetera.
Lucifer has two scalings: He either scales to the full 1.7 Yottatons, or he's scaling to... shit need to do this math.
1700 ÷ 40.46 = 42.01 Zettatons, or Low 5-B+
This is because he's the power source for all this nonsense, so it's ALL his power being used here... which brings up...
1700 ÷ 40.46 = 42.01 Zettatons, or Low 5-B+
This is because he's the power source for all this nonsense, so it's ALL his power being used here... which brings up...
This guy is just ******* WEIRD.
So, I have three points of scaling for the ol General. All feats here.
So, I have three points of scaling for the ol General. All feats here.
- At most 5-B+/Low 5-B+: Adam makes an off-guard Lucifer grunt with a tackle, can temporarily throw him away in snake or octopus form, tanks a casual horse kick, gets a nosebleed from a casual off-guard punch(though it had him screaming in agony), and is able to get up after a Bloodlusted Lucifer beats his ass and was one hit from ending his life.
- Attack Potency does not scale, but durability does: In this instance, Adam would be a stomp level above Full Power Alastor's strongest attacks, and we(bullshittily, I should add) say that Adam being casual means his durability was just in the range for FP Alastor to be able to damage.
- Adam does not scale at all to Lucifer: Take what I said for scaling to Alastor, remove the durability fuckery, and there you go.
Votes for general scaling. All voting mods are in bold:
- 5-B (No Agnaa: 121.42 Zettatons): @TheOrangeGuy09 @Eden_Warlock99 (Caveat below), @Maverick_Zero_X
- Low 5-B (With Agnaa: 917.52 Exatons): @Tllmbrg
- Low 5-B, likely/possibly 5-B (917.52 Exatons, likely/possibly121.42 Zettatons): @Maverick_Zero_X
- Only scales to the following via singing: @Eden_Warlock99
- No scaling, all of the above is just "possibly Far Higher" now go do calcs for Vox and Alastor throwing down:
- 5-B+ (1.7 Yottatons): @TheOrangeGuy09
- Low 5-B+ (42.01 Zettatons):
- Low 5-B+, likely/Possibly 5-B+ (42.01 Zettatons, likely/possibly1.7 Yottatons):
- Downscales to Lucifer: @ShionAH, @TheOrangeGuy09
- Only scales in durability:
- Does not scale to Lucifer at all:
So we're upgrading to FTL. Not much to say on this except for why.
Emily can react to, and somewhat avoid this FTL beam after it fires. Blatant scaling. She's comparable to Charlie, who also reacted after it fired from a bit of a distance, and to Alastor, who was able to look up at Emily to see her get hit. Also, Vox tagged her.
Emily can react to, and somewhat avoid this FTL beam after it fires. Blatant scaling. She's comparable to Charlie, who also reacted after it fired from a bit of a distance, and to Alastor, who was able to look up at Emily to see her get hit. Also, Vox tagged her.
Votes:
- Agree: @Anonymous_Learner @ShionAH @TheOrangeGuy09, @Tllmbrg, @Maverick_Zero_X
- Neutral:
- Disagree:
Treat the Vees' new profiles as if they were brand new. They were basically written from the ground up. We even had to replace the ******* images and summaries. Those profiles were dogwater.
Oh look Reaper puts his profile first, how biased. I have written this section 3 times.
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DaReaperMan/Husker
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- New Quotes
- Magic Section for PnA is brand new. Only Explosion Manipulation was on the OG profile
- Acrobatics and new things in Marksmanship
- New justifications for stats.
- Additions to skill
- Standard Tactics Section
As said above, treat these like brand new profiles.
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Propaganda Man (Vox Sandbox)
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Doll Witch (Velvette Sandbox)
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Creepy Moth MF (Valentino Sandbox)
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Doing one thing right does not outdo a season and a half of being a fraud. Though admittedly, that was probably the point for Alastor.
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Note: some stuff is referenced in profile rather than linked because it is either realistically impossible to link that and has to be seen in episode itself or Orange is just a lazy bum.
- Added Human Form
- It didn't show much in terms of stats, but has knife, so Average in everything, Street level with knife
- He has Genius Intelligence since it should be same as when he got to Hell
- Weapon Mastery of knife
- Social Influencing - is a charmer who dazzles the producers he works for and overcomes so much to be the star of his own radio showm, gaining huge audiences and becoming "the toast of New Orleans"
- Limited Summoning - summoned Rosie after multiple attempts to ensure that he will be amongst the highest Demons of Hell after his death
- Added Weakenedkey
- AP: (Got his staff broken and himself severely injured by Аdаm, which severely weakened him and made him "lacking power" according to Alastor himself. It is further supported by Vox stating that the wound from Аdаm makes him weaker and him occassionally struggling to use his magic, requiring him to sometimes tap on his broken cane to make use of it. Nevertheless, he is still the most powerful Sinner despite the broken staff and scars, being able to fight all three Vs at once for an extended period of time while holding back, thus still being superior to likes of Zestial and Vox, and was implied to still have a power to make a crucial contribution to stopping the overheat of Vox's "Might of Lilith" superweapon. While intending to lose as part of his larger plan, knocked out Vox for a considerable amount of time, and later knocked him away with tentacles, and knocked out Velvette for some time by slamming her into the car. He himself later confessed that he never viewed Vox as a challenge before the latter gained 100% approval and became most powerful Sinner. Rosie stated that Alastor's soul was unlike anything she's ever seen before at the time when Alastor was still a human and before they made a deal), even higher with Demon Form (Fought Vox when he had 100% approval and was the strongest Sinner, being able to punch him away, stun him, and even slice him in half with a charged attack)
- Striking Strength: (Is still the strongest Sinner, making him physically superior to base Vox), even higher with Demon Form (Same stuff as in AP)
- Durability: (Weakened for reasons explained in AP, but still tanked consecutive charged attacks from Vox), even higher in Demon Form (Endured attacks from 100% Vox)
- Stamina - Always smiles, even in private, despite the wound hurting him. Was keeping his smile wide despite Vox pressuring his wound and made it bleed, which is his weak point. Was unbothered by being ripped by Shark.Wav and bleeding due to it, still keeping his smile. Fought Vees and 100% Vox on two separate occasions for an extended amount of time without tiring.
- Speed: Supersonic+ travel speed - was running away from Shok.Wav for an extensive amount of time before eventually being caught, with Shok.Wav being able to fly from Vees tower to the top of faraway building in a near instant
- AP for his base - As a human, Alastor made a deal with Rosie that he will become the most powerful, the strongest Sinner in all of Hell, which enabled him an unimaginable level of raw power no mortal soul had ever attained, rivaling Hell's most destructive evils and overthrowing Overlords who have ruled for centuries overnight, thus being massively superior to other Sinners such as Zestial and Vox. Should be massively superior to his weakened self, who was still the most powerful Sinner. When news of Alastor's "defeat" came, it was assumed by Overlords that it took Lucifer himself to do it. Implied to have beaten Vox in the past, which was also implied by Valentino, and in both cases Vox's reaction was heavily negative, and even implying himself that he lost the last fight, with Alastor having implied that the other Vees intervened in a fight to help Vox, which is supported by their reaction. Husk considers Vees to be "nobodies" compared to Alastor given previous fight(s), and was sure that he would take on Vox and Velvette combined if they try to harm them. Vox was terrified from Alastor threatening him, and was later scared seeing him again.
- Striking Strength for base is justified with that he is superior to his weakened self
- Range for base upgraded to at least Kilometers with magic - after seeing Vox blackmailing him in the middle of the Pentagram City, he teleported to his radio station after several seconds, making his shadow put the radio in the middle of the Pentagram City from there in order to blackmail Vox back, and later manifested himself in Vox’s computers and cut off his signal from his station. Warped the entire first floor of the hotel. Encased the Hazbin Hotel with a massive shadow barrier. Made his voice echo and be heard across a huge part of Pentagram City by speaking into his radio mic
- Intelligence upgraded to Genius - can speak French, although not fluently, which he did during the summoning of Rosie. Can play piano. Came up with a plan to fix his own problems regarding his deal with Rosie that he was unpleased with, which involved manipulating Vox into believing that he is weaker and is forced to desperately offer a defeating deal, while in reality he planned to use Vox's insecurities to both make him the strongest Sinner, nullifying his deal with Rosie, as well as make Vox lay hands on Charlie, which freed him as Vox's part of the deal was not to lay hand on her, while also causing internal division between Vs by pressuring on Vox's insecurities, all while implying that this is rather easy for him. While weakened, was still beating Vox who became the strongest Sinner via skill
- P&A
- His Soul Rupture - the reason why he can rip Husk's soul apart is because he owns his soul. It is covered in Soul Manipulation, and really added to Sinner Physiology alongside with Empowerment.
- Transformation should move there too.
- Martial Arts should be removed - the link talks moreso about how he would one-shot Sir Pentious in fist fight than actually show skill in boxing
- His Death Manipulation should either be Limited or change to Plant Manipulation, as it is shown only on rose and he never showed it against living beings, even in his fight against General of Exorcists, which would have been illogical if he actually had it.
- Add Light Manipulation - can project red glowing light from his eyes as well as his microphone. Generated a burst of green light when offering Charlie a deal. Did the same thing later, but when deal was accepted, a good chunk of inner building was covered by his woodoo symbols. Made the hotel lights flicker and change their color and intensity in a near fit of rage.
- His Portal Creation should also be BFR, as he was removing Pentious' ship parts.
- Replace Shockwave Creation with Air Manipulation - when offering deal to Charlie, created a green energy that bursted throughout the hotel and pushed back Charlie, Vaggie, and Angel Dust. During the acceptance of his second offer to the deal, generated a burst of green light again which pushed back Charlie, Razzle and Dazzle
- Has enough elemental control (light, electricity, air, and fire, plant too if gets accepted), so should have Elemental Manipulation
- Weapon Control - can make his cane open its eye and speak as well
- Sound Manipulation - speaking into his mic made his voice echo and be heard across a huge part of Pentagram City
- Summoning - can summon his cane at will
- Add feats to Weapon Mastery - can use his broken cane as melee weapon. With tentacles, he was able to use Аngеlic axes to kill the Excorcists at a huge distance
- Justification for Magic (add Reality Warping to it too) - can cast magic thanks to the high power-level he has accrued in the demon ranking system
- More feats for Teeportation - Teleported the camera away and teleported Angel Dust, Niffty, Husker and his shadow minions to him with a snap. Seconds after seeing Vox blackmailing him in the middle of the Pentagram City, he teleported to his radio station to blackmail Vox back. Teleported beside Charlie on the bed, scaring her.
- Change his Social Influence justification since no-one is really scared of him anymore due to disappearing for seven years as he himself outlines. New justification: Was able to convince Vaggie< and Charlie into the deals, exploiting the desperation of their situations, although both agreed that they won't ever do so. While alive, he was a charmer who was dazzling the producers he worked for and overcame so much to be the star of his own radio showm, gaining huge audiences and becoming "the toast of New Orleans". Came up with a plan to fix his own problems regarding his deal with Rosie that he was unpleased with, which involved manipulating Vox into believing that he is weaker and is forced to desperately offer a defeating deal, while in reality he planned to use Vox's insecurities to both make him the strongest Sinner, nullifying his deal with Rosie, as well as make Vox lay hands on Charlie, which freed him as Vox's part of the deal was not to lay hand on her, while also causing internal division between Vs by pressuring on Vox's insecurities, all while implying that this is rather easy for him. Alastor being Vox's captive skyrocketed Vox's propaganda, drawing attention from all of Overlords, who previously thought of him as "just gassed up", and the Sinners in general. When news of Alastor's defeat came, it was assumed by Overlords that it took Lucifer himself to do it. Coerced Rosie into the deal by refusing to help stop Might of Lilith unless she fixes his staff)
- Resistances
- Heat Manipulation & Fire Manipulation - was able to lift Niffty unbothered that she has just been in fire he had created. Was unbothered by the fire in his hands
- Electricity Manipulation - was unbothered from making his green electricity go through his body to spread to tentacles, covering his hand in his green electricity, and surrounding himself with it.
- Add that his Size Manipulation is up to Large Size Type 0
- Add to Technology Manipulation that after his mouth being shut by Vox’s wire, he controlled the speaker and spoke through it
- Add Cloth Manipulation (technically already linked but unindexed) - changed his own, Charlie, and the rest of the cast's clothes during his musical number. Changed Angel Dust, Niffty, Husk, and Vaggie's clothes later again. Changed his outfit during his and Lucifer's musical number.
- Add Aura under Darkness Manipulation for these
- Lifting Strength should be changed toClass G with tentacles for base - restrained and crushed Sir Pentious' airship to the point of exploding with little effort.
- Equipment stuff
- Standard Equipment: None Notable | Microphone Cane | Broken Microphone Cane
- Optional Equipment: Knife | Angelic Weapons, such as spears and halberds | None notable
- Can summon: Rosie's attention with multiple attempts | Niffty and Husker | Unknown
- Weaknesses
- Human Form: There isn't much about him except that he has a knife. Alastor is not the kind of killer that follows or chases people since he has a strange ethical code against it.
- Base: Demons can be truly killed by an angel's weapon or by angelic power. His cane is an important contributor to his power; if destroyed, all of his powers will briefly get nullified and he himself will be weakened severely.
- Weakened: Is much weaker after his cane broke, and the wound from General of Exorcists makes him even weaker as stated by Vox. His magic is severely strained, as shown when he tries to do magic, and by him tapping on his broken cane as he struggles to do magic, although it seems to be not the case when he is in his Demon Form. His chest wound is his weak spot, as seen with the fact that damagin it causes him to throw up blood.
- Added some feats:
I don't have a smart comment for her.
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- Added the note with the reasoning to why she is a former Overlord similar to Husk. This is done in order to not re-explain why she is Overlord level in each justification, as it is fairly lengthy.
- Her physicals are now fully scaled to 5-B rather than being just with equipment. Other than the stuff for all other Overlords with Might of Lilith, there are these justifications:
- Is a former Overlord with powers kept, making her comparable to Husk.
- Harmed Velvette by throwing Husk onto her and Valentino by jumping onto him.
- One-shotted Velvette by charging up, although she was already harmed and disoriented by her own hacked powers.
- Changed her justification for Аngelic Dagger to this:
- Аngelic Weapons are considered the only thing that can harm the otherwise indestructable Exorcists.
- Her speed is now at least Supersonic+ travel with FTL combat/reaction for following reasons:
- Should be superior to Alastor. Ran from TV News station to Hazbin Hotel and to Alastor vs. Vees fight in several seconds.
- Kept up with Valentino, as well as Velvette.
- For durability, she endured Velvette's attacks.
- For range, added Several Meters rating via throwing.
- Standard Tactics slightly changed to this:
- Niffty's main way of fighting is taking advantage of her travel speed, small size, and agility to close the distance and stab the opponent with her weapon.
- Added this scan-y for Acrobatics.
- Added magic and forcefield creation for contributing to forcefield to stop Might of Lilith's overload.
- Her very casually harming Sir Pentious is now moved to feats. The feat is very casual if you look at it, and Pentious feels lots of pain from it, so it contradicts nothing.
- Her Lifting Strength is now reworded to note that she is an Overlord instead of just Sinner.
- Added the fact that she fought Valentino and Velvette for Superhuman stamina.
This woman was certainly not the Main Character of THIS season.
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- New tabbers for physical abilities, Magical abilities, Resistences, and Optional equipment
- Social Influencing (Social Potition and Reputation, Charisma)
- Rage Power (in physical tabber)
- Energy Manipulation, Technology Manipulation, Limited Forcefield Creation, Limited Light Manipulation, and Creation (in magic tabber)
- New justifications for stats.
- Additional IQ justification
- New weakness to Social Influencing
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