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He had edgy "jokes" in the past which he admitted of saying, like dp a 4 year old, thats a red flag if you ask me
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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The thing with Eren vs Ken is at a certain point in the fight, their stats become completely irrelevant. I say so in reference to the amount of plot stuff that the Scouts were given in order to actually have a chance at beating Eren. The circumstances for the scouts being able to win against the Founder included:
- Eren actively wanting his friends to be the ones to kill him and save the world so the world would view them as heroes and leave them in peace.
- To the point that he directly acknowledge that he could have just taken their Titan abilities and left them helpless at any time but chose not to.
- Armin managing to access the World of the Path (Something that only an Eldian can do) and convincing Zeke to fight back against Eren, leading to Zeke choosing to let himself get killed by Levi so the Scouts could sever Eren's connection to Ymir.
- Prior to doing this, Eren was remotely puppeting the Doomsday Titan from The Path, a higher-dimensional plane of existence (yes higher dimensional, I will be making a thread about it but its super blatant) through a mix of the Warhammer and Founding Titan's powers, meaning he lacked the nape weak spot of every other Titan and thus would just keep regenerating if they tried to kill him normally.
- Mikasa having an intimate enough connection to Eren that Ymir saw her killing Eren as an act of love so strong that it convinced her to sever his titan abilities and remove titans from existence.
- Which is HEAVILY implied to be a borderline Fate/Causality lock/fixed point in time, as Eren confirms that he actively tried to change the future countless times and failed, and that no matter what happened or what he changed, it all inevitably ended with Mikasa being the one to kill him in the end.
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What gets him up there?
Ken is also mountain level and can grow to island level. Ken also has an insane speed advantage.
He has heat resistance (so the Wall titan's heat aint an issue) and his Dragon form is literally larger the the Founder. He also has flesh absorption so he can just....turn the Rumbing into his personal Mukbang (granted you can argue titans arent actually made of human flesh)
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The time traveling shenanigan only matters if Eren could actually kill Ken. Otherwise it is a stalemate...or Ken just kills the Source of All Life or chop the Founder's head to disconnect him from the Paths (the last one is what actually happened in canon btw)
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Need to do some calcs to confirm it but the Attack Titan alone scales above Reiner, who tanked Armin's transformation blast at point blank range with only minor damage, with the Doomsday Titan in both forms being significantly stronger than the Attack Titan in raw power.
Like I said, stats dont really mean anything when Ken cant really kill the Doomsday Titan, raw power alone wont be able to destroy it
Has Ken resisted heat comparable to the surface of the sun? Because that is the temperature of the heat that the Wall Titans give off.
That wont exactly work when Titan flesh and blood immediately flash-vaporizes when separated from the body
Having literally just watched the movies, that is not what happened. They had to convince Zeke to leave the Path FIRST so Levi could kill him, thats what disconnected Eren from the Path and allowed them to access the Source of All Living Matter (Eren's connection to Zeke's royal blood is what kept him in The Path). Without that step, Ken has no way to kill Eren or access the Source, and cutting off his head wont do anything.
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Honestly not sure how he deals with the hax, specially the immortality
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My memory is a little fuzzy lol. Can you show me a scan of Reiner being near or at the epicenter of the blast? I remember Bertolt's Colossal Titan getting vaporized when Armin transformed, which makes the line of scaling possibly an outlier.
The reason you're saying Ken can't kill him is because of the time hax, right? From what we know, Ymir resets the timeline until Mikasa kills Eren, right?
Source for the Wall Titan's heat wave being that hot? We literally see Armin and Hange survive that heat for some time before getting cooked. Are we actually arguing that normal humans have sun-level resistance in a very grounded verse? Also, if they are that hot, they will legit just vaporize the sea the moment they swim, but that's not what happened.
They won't be separated; they will become part of the Dragon's flesh. This allows Ken to not only negate durability but also grow stronger over time
Actually, that's a valid point lol. Honestly, if that is true, both can't kill the other (unless your sun heat claim is true) since Ken would just be too durable for Eren
But I must ask, why was it needed for Reiner, Annie, and Pieck to stop the worm from reaching Eren? I always thought the implication was that Eren would regain his Founding Powers if he reconnected. There was no point in Isayama writing that if it had no purpose.
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Is that supposed to be impressive? And ReArise isn’t canon anymore.
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Oh you mean 'Creepymon'what about the one that is name literally "Demon"
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Lucifer, Lilith, Leviathan, Beelzebub, Belphegor, Barbatos, and... Creepy
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Digimon is certified "we hate dub" fandom.
Pokemon fans dont use Lizardon that much lol
Pokemon fans dont use Lizardon that much lol
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Posted the whole clip for posterity but Levi says it got hit point blank at 2:20
As for the Bertolt thing...not exactly, the Shifter army is pretty notably weaker than their normal selves, theyre effectively copies made of Eren's body through the Warhammer's power, but even the Cart Titan was able to kill them, and Reiner was oneshotting them. Though Bertolt's copy does have a tier 7 feat from throwing the Armored Titan hard enough to cause an earthquake and multi-kilometer shockwave.
Nah, its because Eren has Type 9 immortality as the Founder, when the Doomsday Titan is in play Eren is not physically there, he is in The World of the Paths, which is a higher-dimensional plane of existence where he puppets the Doomsday Titan through a combination of the Warhammer, Beast, and Founding Titan's powers. The time hax is borderline non-combat applicable, it only applies over a length of years.
Its less that she resets the timeline and more that his death at Mikasa's hands is a fixed point in time, by his own words he actively tried to change that or prevent it from happening countless times and failed every single time.
For reference, the surface of the sun is 5,500 C
That just leads to Ken either being cooked from the inside or Eren making whatever Wall Titans Ken tries to absorb self-destruct.
It would have yes, the Source is where the power of the Founding Titan comes from, but the only thing it would have done in doing so was turn Eren back into his giant Doomsday form. Without Zeke's royal blood Eren still would not have had a way to access The Path or actively use any of the Founder's abilities.
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THe only series i am a sub purist... with good reason
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"Canon" in a shared multiverse is a weird thing to say
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Personally I like Pokemon trainers vs Digimon tamers rather than the Legendaries vs Legendaries ones. Especially Brendan VS Takato where I get to reveal how giga busted Brendan is.
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WHY DO YOU GET THE PIZZA WHILE I GET THE CRUST
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"Hey, it's all a multiverse!" doesn't translate to "Every story in the verse is canon".
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Levi was clearly talking about the worm, not Reiner. Given Eren's Founding Titan also got one-shotted by the blast, it will also not scale to it
The guidebook referring to Bertoldt's technique, right? We have no proof that the level of heat his specific technique produced will also apply to the Wall titan's passive heat wave, which are clearly not sun-level:
Armin and Hange can survive the Colossal/Wall titan's heat wave for some time. As normal humans, they will realistically instantly die the moment they get close, even if they have superhuman feats.
A literal kid did not turn to ash when he got stomped by a Wall titan.
A bunch of random people got cooked, but were not instantly vaporized when that should have happened
The only thing I buy scaling to that sun level heat is the Colossal Titan's transformation explosion, not the passive heat the Colossal and Wall Titans produce (Although that will still make Eren turn into the Colossal Titan a valid wincon)
Anyway, I must say this fight is way more debatable than I thought lol.
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Imagine managing to make the very concept of death and nothingness lose aura
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It does when the series itself treats it that way
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What he lost in aura he gained in hot and cold running water
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Depends on the series. People have been “Erm, ackshually”ing my Pokemon Shuffle scans for years.
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Reiner was physically holding the worm so it didnt get out of range. And he didnt get oneshot, the blast just took a few pieces of armor off of him and he walked away a few seconds after this clip ended. I can also grab a clip where both Armin an Reiner confirm that Reiner can tank the blast outright, which is why he was selected to restrain the worm.
No its referring to the steam that the Colossus Titans generate, specifically this is referring to when Bertolt fell on top of Eren and Reiner and blew himself up back in season 2.
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Currently working on a blog for it with my team, and its helping me revise the verse profiles we have
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Oh, sorry lol, it “provides no lore”.
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Make a CRT to make it canon then, duh.
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Couldn’t give a shit.
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Then don't complain like that, it only makes you look bad.
Also why am I even engaging with you when I said prior that we should ignore you.
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Good question.
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Digimon does abuse compositing too lately, but frankly when compared to Pokemon, latter requires significantly more benefit of doubt and even then it really doesnt match Digimon. It has no blatant higher dimensional shenanigans.
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When concepts like multiverse and multiple entries in a series exist, whats canon or part of the multiverse is hard to keep track
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Reiner was only holding the worm AFTER they spotted it. The worm only appeared after the explosion, so no, Reiner definitely wasn't near the epicenter. Unless we have a scene of him holding the worm before the explosion
That is why I said 'technique". The sun level heat only applies to that specific technique, except maybe the Colossal Titan's explosion via transformation. It should not apply to the passive heat produced by the Wall Titans or the heat Bertholdt used against Armin due to clear anti-feats. (Also, y'all gotta calc the heat of Armin's nuke of the Marley Port lol, I won't be shocked if it got really high numbers)
As for that video, I'm not sure if it can be used as evidence of the passive heat scaling to the sun level stuff when we already have other instances of it clearly not being that hot.
To avoid confusion, my current thoughts are:
Bert's Instant Form Dissipation (finally have the damn name): Sun level heat
Colossal's transformation blast: Possibly sun-level heat (keyword: possibly, since the databook described Bert's technique as him concentrating that heat to a specific point, which will make it greater than a spread-out blast)
Wall Titan's passive heat and Bert's active heat wave against Armin: Does not scale to the above due to anti-feats. The former will probably only scale to the heat of vaporizing humans
I feel like you got confused by my actual thoughts, my bad, I should have made it clearer lol. Anyway, the Wall Titans aren't vaporizing Ken anytime soon; it will probably take Eren transforming into the Colossal Titan to kill him via the explosion (if it scales to Bert's heat)
I'm still iffy about the whole Immo type 9. I will probably wait for it to be accepted here first before I buy that, but I will keep that in mind.
Where's that blog lol, I love AOT so I wanna see
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I plan on it
The thing is there is a difference between their passive heat and the heat of them actively generating steam as an attack. The scene I posted is the latter, and is what the scan from the book is referring to.
I mean, again, does Ken have any instance of heat resistance? Like I said, the steam that has sun level temp is them using it as an attack, not their passive heat, but it is something hey are fully capable of doing.
Hasnt been posted yet, the people working on Ken are dragging their feet
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Outside of shit the Digimon fans blatantly made up, it basically caps at 4-D.
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Yeah.....Levi was likely hyperbolic when he said the worm took it point-blank. The scene clearly shows Armin being very far from Reiner, with the former on top while the latter is at the bottom.
The book you showed was describing the scene where Bert fell on Eren and Reiner, not the steam attack. Armin also endures that same steam for some time before he got cooked, btw. Unless we are downscaling humans from sun-level heat, the steam does not scale to the specific technique Bert used there.
No direct instance of him tanking heat but he has scaling:
He notably upscales from the guy who did this in his base form. Granted 4000 c isnt enough for Eren's highest value
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There is only 1 series, Digimon
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If you draw the connections, pretty much everything eventually loops to being connected
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