DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[BlackDarkness679]

That'd cap way lower in the Verse.

How you can even get 1-A and such?

 

[GeneralSol16]

How you can even get 1-A and such?

I'm not elaborating in a DB CRT, sorry man

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Fair enough

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

the worst episode is probably something from season 1, especially the likes of Bieber vs Black or Rogue vs Wonder Woman

Goku vs Superman 2 is Ben's least favorite episode, for whatever is worth

WW vs Rogue was actively sexist, so it’s probably up there

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Lort, what's the worst Ben 10 show in your opinion?

 

[XatorNova]

WW vs Rogue was actively sexist, so it’s probably up there

There's also Chun-Li vs Mai Shiranui, which is also up-there

idk how WW vs Rogue isn't usually in the conversation for bottom 3 though since aside from the sexist remarks that make the episode unwatchable, it's my understanding that the result is one of the most egregiously wrong in the entire show, which is what a lot of people seem to care about

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Vlagax vs Megatron (Ben 10 vs Transformers)

Really mid honestly with not a whole lot of actually interesting connections that aren't surface level. It's not bad but I feel there's better options.

It also kinda depends on which Megs is being used. Composite, UT or JPG1 annihilates but just G1 or Animated is getting stomped, all the aforementioned are the most popular ones I've seen anyway.

Also reboot Vilgax is so much more interesting than OG Vilgax

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

10. Heaven Ascension Dio vs Infinity Ultron (JJBA: Eyes of Heaven vs Marvel's What If...?) (Season 1 final)

Most interesting one to me ngl and kinda peak.

Hax wise, I'd say they're fairly even, but I'd say Infinity Ultron ultimately outstats to a pretty ridiculous degree.

 

[Tipper17]

Really mid honestly with not a whole lot of actually interesting connections that aren't surface level

It also kinda depends on which Megs is being used. Composite or JPG1 annihilates but just G1 or Animated is getting stomped, all the aforementioned are the most popular ones I've seen anyway.

Also reboot Vilgax is so much more interesting than OG Vilgax

Being real Vilgax fell off after the OG series lack the aura that made him a threat he was before it relies in focusing on lesser shit not much of folks care about in Vilgax side in AF and such

 

[Lort15]

Lort, what's the worst Ben 10 show in your opinion?

Isn't it obvious it's reboot lol (demonicdude might kill me later) if you mean along the og series ehhh i mean i actually like them all but story wise i guess ultimate Alien after season 1 is lowk bad (except for some eps) i actually didn't love Dagon arc that much it was like an old fairy tail "Dragons vs Knights" OV has the best story eps but if you are looking for a bit strict storyline then i would say Alien Force Season 1 also classic is good on it's own so my list would be for story OV=>AF>Classic>UA ig (AF and Classic is interchangeable)

 

[Lort15]

Prob at his peak or whatever fitting

Guess keeping him at AF version is fine or Classic

depends how you view DC cosmology And how far you have Hal scaling to a portion of it

I actually don't know i'm not really interested with DC at all (no offense)

Yes.
They capped it at 12.3D during Sinon vs Kyle, and Multi+ without taking into consideration spatial scaling

How can they have 12.3 a weird dimensional number to have really...

Wonder if DB believes in tier 5/4 cast and who they even think wins between her and Atom Eve

Dunno but Gwen outscales and outhaxes badly

 

[Lort15]

Being real Vilgax fell off after the OG series lack the aura that made him a threat he was before it relies in focusing on lesser shit not much of folks care about in Vilgax side in AF and such

Real but i actually like AF Vilgax top, he was lowk tuff but Dagonax and his true form is shit lol also Malgax's design is cool

 

[Lort15]

Really mid honestly with not a whole lot of actually interesting connections that aren't surface level. It's not bad but I feel there's better options.

It also kinda depends on which Megs is being used. Composite, UT or JPG1 annihilates but just G1 or Animated is getting stomped, all the aforementioned are the most popular ones I've seen anyway.

Also reboot Vilgax is so much more interesting than OG Vilgax

Aw hell nah blud was the assistance of Azmut and influenced Kevin to make antitrix, which i find very stupid even if kevin had blueprints in his mind he doesn't have any access to Alien tech or to do codon system

 

[GeneralSol16]

Nah, The analysis was pretty good. They introduced the characters well enough and the jokes are fine.

Not really.
I had this same problem with the wiki but I was able to fix it: Its summary was too OS focused (He's a 10 year old who turns into aliens). Ben's the only character that not only follows the Superhero archetype created by Marvel and DC the most, but his achievements put him avive most DC and Marvel Heroes that aren't the Big 3, especially in OV
So not a very good summarization.

Pff, I wish. The episode is a 6/10. They did things mostly right, until the horrible ass conclusion, that is not possible to defend.

Even before X showed up it was wrong lol

But to compared to some other episodes? Is better than Tails vs Luigi, Pikachu vs Blanca, Ramona vs Amy Rose, Shadow vs Mewtwo

All of them are first seasons episodes, they were just for the visuals and they barely took it seriously

Mario vs Sonic 2

This one does indeed suck.

 

[GeneralSol16]

How outside Hal resorting to time travel to kill Ben

Hl telling a joke after killing a child.
Ben's personality being flanderized and ignoring he has braincells lol

Its not a good episode but hardly the worst among the show

Disagree

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

There's also Chun-Li vs Mai Shiranui, which is also up-there

idk how WW vs Rogue isn't usually in the conversation for bottom 3 though since aside from the sexist remarks that make the episode unwatchable, it's my understanding that the result is one of the most egregiously wrong in the entire show, which is what a lot of people seem to care about

Also like, TMNT BR lol

 

[Tipper17]

telling a joke after killing a child.
Ben's personality being flanderized and ignoring he has braincells lol

Eh Hal telling a joke ain't something out there him resorting to time travel doesn't work for him which is more OOC
Ben personality always been a mess given executive wanted him back to how he was in the OS
I wouldn't say he lacked brain cells given he rewinded time to to blitz Hal personality wise ben didn't do anything out of the ordinary.

The only reason why db used kid Ben design because iconicity and lack of resources

 

[GeneralSol16]

Eh Hal telling a joke ain't something out there

Him doing it after killing a kid kinda is

Ben personality always been a mess given executive wanted him back to how he was in the OS

He's a wise cracker and loves trash talking his enemies, that's the only aspect he has from the OS as a teenager

I wouldn't say he lacked brain cells given he rewinded time to to blitz Hal personality wise ben didn't do anything out of the ordinary.

Not using Clockwork, Feedback or an intangible alien is. Him not realizing Hal is time traveling is.

The only reason why db used kid Ben design because iconicity and lack of resources

I never got how that works, don't they make their own models when 2D?

 

[GeneralSol16]

My Death Battle tier list

 

[GeneralSol16]

 

[Fezzih_007]

I had this same problem with the wiki but I was able to fix it: Its summary was too OS focused

That's untrue, like yeah they talk about OS, but they dind't focus heavily on It, they mentioned all series almost equally. They talk about some of the most famous aliens, some joke aliens and Aliens X, they mentioned some feats from all series.

And really, that's seems like a nitpick? Ben 10 analysis is 7 minutes long, and they manage to introduce the character well enough for people who don't know him, for what I see in the community, with the jokes actually being funny. They not gonna narrate all of his entire journey or even 70% of It, just enough for people to know who Ben is and what he can do on, but not fully in a deeper Level.

He's a 10 year old who turns into aliens

They mentioned he is 10 years old only 2 times.
In the start of the episode, and in the end, where they in immediately say after he is 16 years old.

Ben's the only character that not only follows the Superhero archetype created by Marvel and DC the most, but his achievements put him avive most DC and Marvel Heroes that aren't the Big 3, especially in OV

Sure I guess.

Even before X showed up it was wrong

Nah, It was cool until Alien X show up.

HeatBlast appearing with very good handrawn animation with him immediately evaporating the Water was cool, Hal countereing his fire with a Fire extinguisher was amusing, the "SuperNova bit" was very funny, the Grey mater cameo was funny on how It happened, the Waybig vs Hal making boxing gloves was cool enough.

It goes dowhill from there, but the initial exchange I can't say It was bad. If not your Cup tea, I can't comment much tho.

All of them are first seasons episodes

Only Blanca vs Pikachu and Bieber vs Rebeca was a first Season episode.

And even then, so? They still worst than Hal vs Ben.

This one does indeed suck

Indeed.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Funnily enough its the other way around, 682, or at least 6820, is higher in the narrative stack than even the True Scarlet King

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

People forget hax are also a thing

 

[AcidSilver]

You know, thinking on it the biggest problem with Simon vs Kyle was that Hal was always that guy instead of Kyle. He was the kind of guy to beat a big cosmic nightmare with just 1% power. He was the one who would always break the limits of what should be possible. He was the eternal rebel who would always push past any authority that tried to shackle him. Hal was more like Simon than Kyle ever was and frankly his best feats have always surpassed even White Lantern Kyle’s. Even WL Kyle’s most recent appearance includes Hal casually chaining every emotional entity like 1 page earlier.

Hal has even done the “fight an evil version of myself spawned of my fears and insecurities” better than Kyle. Parallax is a much more interesting character and despite being a mega buffed version of Hal, base Hal has still stalemated him on multiple occasions. Even a rookie Hal was able to pull it off.

 

[Lort15]

The link is broken

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I stumbled upon a video about Supes fans being mad Homelander makes him struggle in the crossover

Then lists a bunch of crossovers with Supes struggling with lesser characters then him too

Like people think a crossover at times has to follow power levels? Plus this is DC version of him, obviously he is gonna be tougher

 

[TMaakkonen]

The fact that people unironically think HL is buffed due to non-canon crossover outlier is sad.

Or great because capeshit fans got pissed, thats good. Accepting their shit sucks ass.

 

[Lort15]

People forget hax are also a thing

True (Passive plot manipulation )

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Is there any series besides those we know will make it in already that has yet to debut on Death Battle?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Danganronpa

 

[TMaakkonen]

So is Star Trek the biggest snubbest verse to not be in DB?

 

[Fezzih_007]

https://nv-debate-blogs.blogspot.com/2026/01/2b-vs-eve-nier-automata-vs-stellar.html?m=1

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Is there any series besides those we know will make it in already that has yet to debut on Death Battle?

Fortnite.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

https://nv-debate-blogs.blogspot.com/2026/01/2b-vs-eve-nier-automata-vs-stellar.html?m=1

There is a lot of ass shots in this blog.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Is there any series besides those we know will make it in already that has yet to debut on Death Battle?

Evangelion

 

[OrangeFR]

Is there any series besides those we know will make it in already that has yet to debut on Death Battle?

1. PVZ
2. Angry Birds
3. Cookie Run
4. Bloons
5. Battle Cats
6. The Witcher
7. Elden Ring since it is technically not part of the souls series I think
8. Basically every indie game that released since 2020 (other than among us)
9. Splatoon
10. Terraria
11. Minecraft
Literally there are probably millions of different series that exist that have not been in Death Battle, this is not a question at all.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

There is a lot of ass shots in this blog.

What you expected from both series honestly

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[Fezzih_007]

There is a lot of ass shots in this blog.

Considering the characters they talking about it, I would be surprise If dind't have.