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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Bayo vs Morrigan was a thing. That ***** kinda dead atm tho.
Neat, sad that it's dead as you said

Right now Morrigan possible good MU are her against Arcueid but that require a ******* tons of bullshit to make the former able to fight her, otherwise Arc mogged her very hard
 
Theres plenty of matchups SCP loses, this is not one of them
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I mean, for one they put Clark on equal stats with the Scarlet King, but for two they had to effectively make up a weakness for the Scarlet King in order to make Clark win
And why exactly is that wrong? Didn't they send proof of Scarlet King being vulnerable to such narrative/history hax?
 
And why exactly is that wrong? Didn't they send proof of Scarlet King being vulnerable to such narrative/history hax?
From the reasoning they gave (at least from what ive seen), they effectively cherrypicked shit that affected some of his weaker avatars and applied that to all of his avatars across the board as well as his true form, when his stronger avatars have numerous feats of being outright unaffected by narrative/history hax. Its very clearly established that the shit they claim would kill the scarlet king just flat out does not work on him in-canon.

To put it into perspective, in order to retcon the Scarlet King from existence, you would have to not only retcon the concept of antagonistic forces from all works of irl fiction that exist throughout all of irl humanity, but retcon irl humanity's capacity to conceptualize evil, and even then thats not likely to work as the Scarlet King is formed not just from humanity's concepts, but beings that exist even beyond human conceptualization, as well as concepts that cannot and will not ever exist. And even then thats not likely to work as the Scarlet King is not just humanity's concepts, but all beings that exist even beyond human conceptualization, as well as concepts that cannot and will not ever exist. And then on top of that you have shit like the scarlet king existing in a state of meta-nonduality, where he both does and does not exist everywhere at every point in time at once, so there wouldnt even be a point in time to retcon him to/from, because he has always existed and also has never existed to begin with.

They went with quite literally the most conceptually impossible reasoning imaginable for a way to defeat the scarlet king. The avatars? Sure, you can argue Clark can beat most of those. But he is not beating the True Scarlet King.
 
From the reasoning they gave (at least from what ive seen), they effectively cherrypicked shit that affected some of his weaker avatars and applied that to all of his avatars across the board as well as his true form, when his stronger avatars have numerous feats of being outright unaffected by narrative/history hax. Its very clearly established that the shit they claim would kill the scarlet king just flat out does not work on him in-canon.

To put it into perspective, in order to retcon the Scarlet King from existence, you would have to not only retcon the concept of antagonistic forces from all works of irl fiction that exist throughout all of irl humanity, but retcon irl humanity's capacity to conceptualize evil, and even then thats not likely to work as the Scarlet King is formed not just from humanity's concepts, but beings that exist even beyond human conceptualization, as well as concepts that cannot and will not ever exist. And even then thats not likely to work as the Scarlet King is not just humanity's concepts, but all beings that exist even beyond human conceptualization, as well as concepts that cannot and will not ever exist. And then on top of that you have shit like the scarlet king existing in a state of meta-nonduality, where he both does and does not exist everywhere at every point in time at once, so there wouldnt even be a point in time to retcon him to/from, because he has always existed and also has never existed to begin with.

They went with quite literally the most conceptually impossible reasoning imaginable for a way to defeat the scarlet king. The avatars? Sure, you can argue Clark can beat most of those. But he is not beating the True Scarlet King.
I got drunk for every drink I took for each "concept" you said
 
I got drunk for every drink I took for each "concept" you said
The struggle of dealing with a being as esoteric and abstract as the Scarlet King. 99% of the stuff he does is layered abstract narrative concepts and metafictional bullshittery.

But yeah, Clark should not have won, at least not in the way that they explained.
 
From the reasoning they gave (at least from what ive seen), they effectively cherrypicked shit that affected some of his weaker avatars and applied that to all of his avatars across the board as well as his true form, when his stronger avatars have numerous feats of being outright unaffected by narrative/history hax. Its very clearly established that the shit they claim would kill the scarlet king just flat out does not work on him in-canon.

To put it into perspective, in order to retcon the Scarlet King from existence, you would have to not only retcon the concept of antagonistic forces from all works of irl fiction that exist throughout all of irl humanity, but retcon irl humanity's capacity to conceptualize evil, and even then thats not likely to work as the Scarlet King is formed not just from humanity's concepts, but beings that exist even beyond human conceptualization, as well as concepts that cannot and will not ever exist. And even then thats not likely to work as the Scarlet King is not just humanity's concepts, but all beings that exist even beyond human conceptualization, as well as concepts that cannot and will not ever exist. And then on top of that you have shit like the scarlet king existing in a state of meta-nonduality, where he both does and does not exist everywhere at every point in time at once, so there wouldnt even be a point in time to retcon him to/from, because he has always existed and also has never existed to begin with.

They went with quite literally the most conceptually impossible reasoning imaginable for a way to defeat the scarlet king. The avatars? Sure, you can argue Clark can beat most of those. But he is not beating the True Scarlet King.
I got drunk for every drink I took for each "concept" you said
I say that the SCP tale of the Scarlet King being a completely made up being that the Foundation created as counter intelligence is the truth in which case Scarlet King is actually the weakest character in all of fiction.
 



Might actually be a valid HL return MU lol. Does Homelander actually win?

More often than not yeah, Vecna CAN win if he manages to exploit Homelander's insecurities, but Homelander kinda just statstomps him before he even gets th chance to, and even then theres a chance that trying to mindscrew him the way he does just pisses John off
 
Pretty sure DB had interest in Gwen coming next against Atom Eve, then if he can make it Kevin too

What matches can Ben even have that DB wanna give him a runback
His Jaden one is his most popular one and most likely one

The farther he's from DB comic wank, the better
 
DB crew themselves have said they're interested in bringing Ben back, and this is his most popular MU, at least currently.
OriginTheHero, one of the animators for Death Battle, already gonna do a Battle between them, being a separated thing for Death Battle, so they might not do Ben vs Jaden because of It, so It doesn't overlap.

They might do either way, but who can say. 🤧
 
A Death Battles that I think it could happen this year is definitely this one:

What do you guys think?
DB crew themselves have said they're interested in bringing Ben back, and this is his most popular MU, at least currently. This one or Simon the Digger.
OriginTheHero, one of the animators for Death Battle, already gonna do a Battle between them, being a separated thing for Death Battle, so they might not do Ben vs Jaden because of It, so It doesn't overlap.

They might do either way, but who can say. 🤧
Nah there not going to do Ben vs Jaden because origin already going to do as well as most of the researchers are working on said project as well

Maybe if something new happens in Ben 10 I can see it but nah being honest don't see them running Ben back now or anytime soon
 
Nah there not going to do Ben vs Jaden because origin already going to do as well as most of the researchers are working on said project as well
If that's true, the this is going to be basically a Death Battle lol.



Maybe if something new happens in Ben 10 I can see it but nah being honest don't see them running Ben back now or anytime soon
So bullshit that the only participation he'll have is a top 5 worst eps.
 
Nah, there's definetelly way worse episodes, Ben 10 vs Green Latern is not even cracking top 10.

Anyway, another matchup for Ben is Beastboy, what's people opinion on that?
Ben stomps and it's a terrible mu
Even if you want beast boy to out mog Ben in AP he has no resistance to his hax whatsoever also the Omnitrix can cure beastboy making him normal lol


Beastboy has nothing to play off Alien X for a fight at all
 
Nah, there's definetelly way worse episodes, Ben 10 vs Green Latern is not even cracking top 10.
Horrible analysis, full of wank and downplay, some of the most out of character interpretations ever for both and straight up disrespectful. That's a top 5.
Anyway, another matchup for Ben is Beastboy, what's people opinion on that?
The worst DC MU.
Not only they don't have anything in common aside from "both change forms and green", but lmao he couldn't even move Ben's mids.
 
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Herald scaling I guess, there's argument on why he could scale to Shazam.

He still gets outhaxed 🤷‍♂️
There's no such thing as "Herald scaling", fighting a strong guy doesn't mean you scale, everyone and their mother have done that. That's the same reasoning as Tier 1 Aunt May, but worse.

And even if he had that "Herald scaling", he's doing shit to Ben's Heavy Hitters, and X.
 
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