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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Legion350 said:
Btw, do we only consider Naobito’s statement of being the fastest sorcerer as only applying to Grade 1 and below?
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It should apply to everyone considering it has to include "except satoru gojo". It wouldn't say this if it was already excluding special grades
 
Legion350 said:
Btw, do we only consider Naobito’s statement of being the fastest sorcerer as only applying to Grade 1 and below?
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I believe we currently treat it as applying to everyone the higher-ups knew stuff about since they say ONLY Gojo is faster or whatever IIRC.
 
Of course
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LaserPrecision said:
Bro forgot about Dabura 😔
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Dabura is genuinely like Sukuna level, me saying Gojo and Sukuna implies him also lol

Rodriiogo said:
Idk I'm just spitballing for the lols, probably hakari's? The main reason why the idea of it being a perspective shot came from it making no sense BECAUSE of Naoya's statements so if that awful cap gets removed, it'd prob be usable again, however it'd prob still be better on waiting for the anime on that since it ain't that far ig.

I still think that feat with Toji and the rabbits should be higher than "supersonic+" but idk if it is MHS

Yuta's feat on blitzing that curse on S3EP1 is prob MHS icl
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Hakari's "feat" is buns. Literally any other feat would be better cause it means either Hakari and by proxy Kashimo are faster than his effectively instant one-shot ability and any time Hakari got hit with it he was just stupid or it goes against how Kashimo's, and by proxy irl lightning, works which means Kashimo's lightning can't be as fast as irl lightning with those parameters.

Legion350 said:
Btw, do we only consider Naobito’s statement of being the fastest sorcerer as only applying to Grade 1 and below?
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If I recall, the reason it only applies to grade 1s and below is cause people argued that Yuta and Yuki's abilities were unknown to the higher ups and most of jujutsu society so Naobito can still be considered the fastest sorcerer by society while not actually being the fastest. Honestly this falls apart once you rope Geto and JJK 0 Yuta into this and how we have them but hey.

LIFE_OF_KING said:
I'm deadass I want the "Nothing ever happens" to get accepted cuz I'm too lazy to update the profiles
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Life this is like the 2nd or 3rd time you've made a CRT and were too lazy to apply it
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Hakari's "feat" is buns. Literally any other feat would be better cause it means either Hakari and by proxy Kashimo are faster than his effectively instant one-shot ability and any time Hakari got hit with it he was just stupid or it goes against how Kashimo's, and by proxy irl lightning, works which means Kashimo's lightning can't be as fast as irl lightning with those parameters.
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The feat would make sense if you just assumed Hakari moved the radius of his head in the time it took the lightning to travel the entire distance or whatever. That'd wind up with Hakari being many times slower, but still relatively fast.
 
Rodriiogo said:
It should apply to everyone considering it has to include "except satoru gojo". It wouldn't say this if it was already excluding special grades
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True, but that’s part of my confusion tbh. Even if that’s not how the wiki frames isn’t that what the stats are now? Even special grades who don’t get their tier from Gojo scale over Naobito. It’s just kinda funny ig. It’s not like the other [non Gojo] special grades were all gone.

Edit: Just saw your post, so I’m going to update, but they still knew about Yuta from 0 as you said.
 
Rodriiogo said:
Not really + naoya and naobito actually limit the entire verse other than 4-5 people if the chain-scaling gets fixed.

Awakened Maki was still below the "Speed of sound" naoya in speed. JP Hakari and Yuta are both comparable to this same Maki and they are heavy hitters, alongside Yuta being directly compared to Yuki in speed who can very much keep up with Kenjaku.

So A.Maki, Yuta, Yuki, JP Hakari and Kenjaku should all be below mach 1 if the cap exists.
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I got Kenny, Yuki and JP Hakari arguably being faster than Maki (combat or reaction speed depending on how we take it). Also Yuta was never stated to be comparable to Yuki in speed. Idk where you getting this directly comparable with speed stuff.
Also Naobito doesn't have statement for Naoya's speed cap either? Where are we getting Naobito also transonic at max speed?
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Hakari's "feat" is buns. Literally any other feat would be better cause it means either Hakari and by proxy Kashimo are faster than his effectively instant one-shot ability and any time Hakari got hit with it he was just stupid or it goes against how Kashimo's, and by proxy irl lightning, works which means Kashimo's lightning can't be as fast as irl lightning with those parameters.
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What?
The feat also doesn't put hakari on lightning speed, pretty sure the calc was like Mach 900, real lightning is mach 1282, it's still faster, Hakari being near it in speed isn't a contradiction considering Kashimo uses it with a sure hit effect that makes it so it will target your body via the positive energy he transitioned to your body even if you fully dodge it (which Hakari didn't do but you get the point)
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I got Kenny, Yuki and JP Hakari arguably being faster than Maki (combat or reaction speed depending on how we take it). Also Yuta was never stated to be comparable to Yuki in speed. Idk where you getting this directly comparable with speed stuff.
Also Naobito doesn't have statement for Naoya's speed cap either? Where are we getting Naobito also transonic at max speed?
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I do agree they might be faster but they are still comparable. If maki is a whole blitz level below mach 1, then they should be capped below mach 1 as well if we are gonna use the statements as caps lol. The idea of yuta being compared to yuki in speed comes from the whole Kenjaku statament where Maki says they are on the same level (ik this was likely about them both being special grades but yea regardless)
As for naobito ye u right but it doesn't mean much really lol not like anyone even scales to him other than Gojo
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Hakari's "feat" is buns. Literally any other feat would be better cause it means either Hakari and by proxy Kashimo are faster than his effectively instant one-shot ability and any time Hakari got hit with it he was just stupid or it goes against how Kashimo's, and by proxy irl lightning, works which means Kashimo's lightning can't be as fast as irl lightning with those parameters.
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To be fair his feats I think atleast arguable for reaction atleast and I don't think it contradicts with others. He was getting faster during Jackpot to the point his combat speed surpasses Kashimo. He only got hit during either when he was in base or when he got immobile due to taking the hit and suddenly Kashimo firing the lightning.
 
Rodriiogo said:
What?
The feat also doesn't put hakari on lightning speed, pretty sure the calc was like Mach 900, real lightning is mach 1282, it's still faster, Hakari being near it in speed isn't a contradiction considering Kashimo uses it with a sure hit effect that makes it so it will target your body via the positive energy he transitioned to your body even if you fully dodge it (which Hakari didn't do but you get the point)
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IDK, last calc I saw that tried to use the Hakari feat iirc had Hakari as faster than lightning which is what I was assuming you were going off of (hence the mini rant). Looking it up I think I was thinking of this calc. Think I was just going on outdated information. Also which calc was mach 900?
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
To be fair his feats I think atleast arguable for reaction atleast and I don't think it contradicts with others. He was getting faster during Jackpot to the point his combat speed surpasses Kashimo. He only got hit during either when he was in base or when he got immobile due to taking the hit and suddenly Kashimo firing the lightning.
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Can we please stop with the reactions argument, I still haven't understand why we even do that to most feats other than cope over not removing the mach 3 cap already
I swear it's just combat speeds, Kashimo proceeds to be comparable to hakari's reactions throughout the entire fight
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It doesn't matter regardless because as I said:
Rodriiogo said:
Hakari being near it in speed isn't a contradiction considering Kashimo uses it with a sure hit effect that makes it so it will target your body via the positive energy he transitioned to your body even if you fully dodge it (which Hakari didn't do but you get the point)
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Rodriiogo said:
I do agree they might be faster but they are still comparable. If maki is a whole blitz level below mach 1, then they should be capped below mach 1 as well if we are gonna use the statements as caps lol. The idea of yuta being compared to yuki in speed comes from the whole Kenjaku statament where Maki says they are on the same level (ik this was likely about them both being special grades but yea regardless)
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Todo suggested that sneak attack from Yuta on weakened Kenny was uncertain without his help. We also see weakened Kenny still reacting to Yuta before he could slice him down if it wasn't for Todos help. I think there is room for his reaction speed to be atleast faster than him. Also Maki comparing Yuta and Yuki might be just depends on Sts only she has zero knowledge on speed here. I don't remember HR giving info analysis speed also. What I'm saying is nothing points out Yuki and Yuta being on same speed. Yuki was comparable to Kenny. If we take Kenny has faster reaction speed Yuki would scale to him. Other than that Maki also fail to evade Uraume attack while Yuki out of nowhere intercepted their attacks in Shibuya with little to no issue. So take this with grain of salt.
Rodriiogo said:
As for naobito ye u right but it doesn't mean much really lol not like anyone even scales to him other than Gojo
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So you agree Naobito doesn't have speed cap like Naoya basically he can be slower than Gojo that doesn't mean he is slower than Mach 3 with PS. He might or might not be on that level. We don't know that.
 
Rodriiogo said:
Can we please stop with the reactions argument, I still haven't understand why we even do that to most feats other than cope over not removing the mach 3 cap already
I swear it's just combat speeds, Kashimo proceeds to be comparable to hakari's reactions throughout the entire fight
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It doesn't matter regardless because as I said:
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Which part you don't understand as the time goes on? Hakari gotten faster at the end of JP where he actually dodged Lightning. Either way I'm not arguing for that speed. I was talking about his speed was not constant. JP Hakari and Kashimo were comparable in speed to some time later Hakari at the end of JP dominated him in combat and reaction speed.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
IDK, last calc I saw that tried to use the Hakari feat iirc had Hakari as faster than lightning which is what I was assuming you were going off of (hence the mini rant). Looking it up I think I was thinking of this calc. Think I was just going on outdated information. Also which calc was mach 900?
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The calc that was used when mhs hakari was accepted was this one which is Mach 945

King also made this calc as well, which despite him using electricity speed for some reason, if you use lightning speed it's Mach 551, still below lightning speed.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Todo suggested that sneak attack from Yuta on weakened Kenny was uncertain without his help. We also see weakened Kenny still reacting to Yuta before he could slice him down if it wasn't for Todos help. I think there is room for his reaction speed to be atleast faster than him. Also Maki comparing Yuta and Yuki might be just depends on Sts only she has zero knowledge on speed here. I don't remember HR giving info analysis speed also. What I'm saying is nothing points out Yuki and Yuta being on same speed. Yuki was comparable to Kenny. If we take Kenny has faster reaction speed Yuki would scale to him. Other than that Maki also fail to evade Uraume attack while Yuki out of nowhere intercepted their attacks in Shibuya with little to no issue. So take this with grain of salt.
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Still doubt its a whole blitz above, saying yuki is just a whole blitz beyond someone like yuta is kinda insane

EldemadeDityjon said:
So you agree Naobito doesn't have speed cap like Naoya basically he can be slower than Gojo that doesn't mean he is slower than Mach 3 with PS. He might or might not be on that level. We don't know that.
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I agree no one has a speed cap but ye if you use the speed cap naobito isnt affected
 
Rodriiogo said:
Still doubt its a whole blitz above, saying yuki is just a whole blitz beyond someone like yuta is kinda insane
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Yuki was comparable to Kenjaku when he was in good condition, bruh. She fought him head-on. Yuta needed Todo’s help to sneak attack a weakened version of him. I don’t think that’s an insane take. It’s more that people tend to disbelieve it because they like Yuta more than Yuki. She has solid scaling that puts her on Kenjaku’s level. Not saying you have to agree with my take. But just pointing out there is a room for argument for Kenny being above Heavy hitters in speed and Yuki scaling to him. It's not like anywhere stated Kenny would lose to Heavy hitters if he does 1 vs 1 on them. We got statement for whole planning to beat him. Even Maki implied herself they can't beat him straight way.
 
Rodriiogo said:
The calc that was used when mhs hakari was accepted was this one which is Mach 945

King also made this calc as well, which despite him using electricity speed for some reason, if you use lightning speed it's Mach 551, still below lightning speed.
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That uh, that first calc you linked got rejected by 2 calc mods after the first 2 accepted it not sure if that's usable. I think it should just be recalced if it hasn't already if you're gonna consider using it.

Though, I think the method used for most of these calcs is kind of flawed considering the way in which Kashimo's lightning works which wouldn't allow for it to move like that but eh
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
That uh, that first calc you linked got rejected by 2 calc mods after the first 2 accepted it not sure if that's usable. I think it should just be recalced if it hasn't already if you're gonna consider using it.

Though, I think the method used for most of these calcs is kind of flawed considering the way in which Kashimo's lightning works which wouldn't allow for it to move like that but eh
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That was the one being used before tbf, idk about now, but tempest's other one did seem fine and got accepted by a cgm idk

It is prob better to be recalc'd if used yea (and I do still think it should be 100% usable) but its better to just wait for the anime regardless to make sure and maybe the anime might even show the movement better who knows
 
KingTempest said:
realistically kashimo and them should be superhuman as well
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I think they're talking about the lightning

LIFE_OF_KING said:
Making the effort of dozens of supporters making sandboxes and calcs going to waste due to hard standards that no other verses gets?
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Ngl, imma act like this is bad, well kind of is, but honestly I'm with you imma just watch the reactions for the next week whether or not this crt passes. Shit's gonna be free entertainment
 
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