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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

Everyone: finally after Season 2 we will get out of Tier 8-7 hellhole and get to Tier 6, even 5!
Eden with plans to make everyone 9-A (or 9-C, given the anti-feats are there):
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Btw some parts of the scene don't contain shielding characters singing, it's Lute hating everyone, Vaggie arguing, and Abel struggling to make a decision and then stopping Lute via power of his dad's misogyny. Why was shield still there at that time? Why didn't it substantially decrease or straight up disappear? Why didn't characters feel that their magic weakened when they stopped singing and crying?
The interview also addressed this.
Hell this scene happens right after Lute leaves so lol (You can even see the forcefield waver and start dropping)
I can't hold it much longer
We got you
We need to be stronger
We've done all we can, there's no way
No way
No one left to save the day
PIS because they are literally that in every single fiction media. Being scared of falling or small explosions or bullets etc.
Fake 5-Bs when they meet a real one:

Can as well be an anti-feat for Bill since you think being one-shotted by 9-C is somehow proof of 9-A.
Bill blitzed Dipper two episodes prior literally just to flaunt, so nah.
Like if Bill was his actual speed, then he just wins lol
Not really, he was heavily holding back to make everyone idiots. That's like saying OF not one-shotting Frisk is PIS.
Nothing indicates that his original plan was a lie, him then absorbing the monster SOULs was just him being opportunistic.
Like his surprise and disbelief to what's happening certainly doesn't paint it as part of a bigger plan.
Also if this whole thing was a big plan it'd be the dumbest thing ever cause he could've absorbed all the monsters whether they came or not with his light lol
Exactly, they are irrelevant to narrative unlike Hear My Hope.
I don't see how that's not worse? Like unlike the Hear My Hope thing which had to happen for the story to function, these ones were added in just cause lol
I have MCU Spidey at Tier 5, I don't have enough want to propose stuff on VSBW.
MCU has Tier 5 stuff? I mean, MCU Spidey is going to have less anti-feats than comics Spidey just cause of the difference in screentime.
I'm well aware of statistical definition of an outlier. Issue here is that 9-A feats are very casual
The 2 9-A calcs are from the Vees vs Alastor fight, so like, no? Just straight up, why the hell would Vox be casual against Al?
they one-shot 9-B chars and the anti-feats are nonsensical in context of that.
Husk is near Vox in strength though. Also most guns are 9-C, average IMP is consistently 9-B. Make your own conclusions here.
A bullet targets an area with less surface area than a punch does, so even a 9-C bullet is going to do more damage than a 9-B punch and the like.

Also like the rando sinners they one-shot die from getting hit by a car, they ain't all that strong lol
Thus Tier 5 is not outlier.
Even if we don't count the anti-feats, all their feats are within Tier 9, how is it not an outlier?

But you know what makes it NOT an outlier? The amp. Overlords with this amp have no anti-feats and if even Sinners with it were a threat to Heaven (Who have lads like Adam and the Exorcists), it don't take much speculation to say they'd be real strong lol
It would be an outlier if Overlords consistently were afraid of Tier 8 explosions or hardly survived them or smth. That didn't happen. Just because a character one-shots a wall several times like it's nothing doesn't mean he is a 9-B fodder and that his 6-B feats is outlier.
Val literally gets incapacitated by a 9-A one? They can't even hardly survive stuff since they're immortal.
Also come on, Lute going from being completely uninjured to bleeding from multiple places from falling rubble isn't an "a character one-shots a wall several times"
16 anti-feats from a 15 seasons show ain't that much and I assume they have wayyy more feats than the Overlords who have basically nothing to work with lol
What makes more sense: Niffty one-shotted heavily damaged Vel, or Vel completely tanked Niffty + her own attacks but died to a fall from, like, a 4th floor? Is this a woman who supposedly one-shots IMPs who consistently do this? Hmmm...
The latter happened so? Also Millie and Blitz are definitely stronger than some rando Sinners lol
I'm 99% sure if I watch DB I'll collect you several hundreds of such "was afraid of fall", "caused just small crater and was harmed", etc. Will this downgrade Goku from 2-C?
They fly lol
I mean think about it, both of these two feats are a bunch of mid tiers managing to block an attack from a God tier by banding together.
Ah yes, characters must explode planets everytime they fight to be 5-B.
Never said that. But these 5-Bs shouldn't also be dying from falling rubble and the like.
Shield was largely carried by Alastor, Rosie, and Emily, others were less necessary.
It legit goes from, say 20% complete to 70% when the Overlords join in, they definitely made a huge impact.
Says who? He could have just beat up them to force into a deal.
No, Alastor can't snap his fingers and tear souls apart, I'm telling you this as Alastor glazer.
Ig he could've tricked them. But also he could've done that with Sir Pentious and didn't despite the fact they "fought" over 20 times.
When the heck Power of Song was in first ep? Unless you mean Lilith, which supports my side as I explained here.
Why didn’t Vox do the same, especially when he was spreading propaganda of being Lilith’s continuator? Why didn’t literally any demon do it after Lilith stayed gone?
Exactly, only Lilith was doing that. If singing was just a universal amp, someone, especially Vox, would have tried it.
I mean, that's kinda the point, it's propaganda. He just seems to view Lilith like a strong Sinner from the past ala Alastor but less so.
Also it doesn't even seem to be that he wasn't trying (See Vox Populi), like again just singing doesn't trigger, the WoG outright specifies Hear My Hope was the only time the cast ever tapped into this "Power of Song" a.k.a. under the extreme circumstances that are if we don't stop this bomb rn, everyone ******* dies.
Yeah, so much that they, oh well, NEVER use that power?
If you ever go through this, downgrade every character to Below Average Human because of how insanely stupid they are since they are not amping themselves to a flipping 5-B from fodder 9-A (or 9-C, since you seem to want downgrade them to that given their "anti-feats" are in that ballpark)
Again like, it's not an off and on switch. It's very much similar to Frisk's DT.
Like I wouldn't say Frisk is stupid for not feeling determined enough to overpower Omega Flowey's DT lol
Amalgametes are pretty unique since they merged.
The fact they melt at all already shows humans aren't going to react the same to DT as monsters.
Soul power is not same as DT lol.
It's close enough.
That's a lie, she confesses she didn't want to harm Frisk right after that. Looks isn't same as is.
Huh? You're thinking of the Pacifist fight, not the Neutral one. She's very much trying to kill you in the latter.
It shows determination helps them fight a much more powerful opponent?
What makes you say that? The Frisk that fought Asgore has better equipment than the one that fought anyone else and like, Asgore isn't even that much stronger than everyone else.
Literally what Hear My Hope is? Singing and crying.
Clearly not if it's the only song in the show that tapped into this primordial power lol
Exactly, this is why it doesn't work, why didn't Charlie just start singing about wanting to save her friends to fight better against General of Exorcists.
Why didn't she just transform to her full Demon Form and solo Adam? I dunno, she just doesn't know?
And like, her going into song and being met with mockery happened like, 3 times? Why wouldn't it happen again.
Still doesn't work, plenty of people have unions, like Vees, Hazbin gang, Carmilla and Zestial, they never sing and cry about unity to become stronger.
It's not every one in Hell though, and like, again tapping into it clearly isn't easy.
AWs would be 5-B since they can harm Overlords, i.e. not that below General of Exorcists.
Didn't you have a problem with the Angelic Weapons being on the same tier as Adam?
Given that he is scared as heck from Zestial, he is definitely one of the weaker Overlords.
Yet he'd still get the Tier 5 rating despite his laundry of feats being:



wow
He was turned off and then saw Overlords uniting against his plan. No wonder he was shocked.
I'd give elaborate explanation @Detective_Blizzard gave me in DMs but would take too long to fight it.
Did he think they were just going to stand there and let themselves die or something lol
I do feel even if it's that, he clearly didn't think they were capable of stopping the bomb
Sheer numbers beat raw durability. Hence why they are scared of overpopulation.
They literally can't even scratch the Angels. They have no Angelic Weapons.
It'd be like if we started to genocide ants cause we'd be scared of them uprising, like huh?
Are you lowkey filling the void left by @LIFE_OF_KING leaving as "biggest downplayer of HH"?
Ain't it for the best tho?

We get the rating they're actually at 99% of the time and the 5-B is still going to be listed with the Power of Song amp (Maybe a note about how that shit isn't just singing) and all the anti-feat concerns poof away. It's legit the best of both worlds.
 
The interview also addressed this.

Hell this scene happens right after Lute leaves so lol (You can even see the forcefield waver and start dropping)


Fake 5-Bs when they meet a real one:


Bill blitzed Dipper two episodes prior literally just to flaunt, so nah.
Like if Bill was his actual speed, then he just wins lol

Nothing indicates that his original plan was a lie, him then absorbing the monster SOULs was just him being opportunistic.
Like his surprise and disbelief to what's happening certainly doesn't paint it as part of a bigger plan.

Also if this whole thing was a big plan it'd be the dumbest thing ever cause he could've absorbed all the monsters whether they came or not with his light lol

I don't see how that's not worse? Like unlike the Hear My Hope thing which had to happen for the story to function, these ones were added in just cause lol

MCU has Tier 5 stuff? I mean, MCU Spidey is going to have less anti-feats than comics Spidey just cause of the difference in screentime.

The 2 9-A calcs are from the Vees vs Alastor fight, so like, no? Just straight up, why the hell would Vox be casual against Al?


A bullet targets an area with less surface area than a punch does, so even a 9-C bullet is going to do more damage than a 9-B punch and the like.

Also like the rando sinners they one-shot die from getting hit by a car, they ain't all that strong lol

Even if we don't count the anti-feats, all their feats are within Tier 9, how is it not an outlier?

But you know what makes it NOT an outlier? The amp. Overlords with this amp have no anti-feats and if even Sinners with it were a threat to Heaven (Who have lads like Adam and the Exorcists), it don't take much speculation to say they'd be real strong lol

Val literally gets incapacitated by a 9-A one? They can't even hardly survive stuff since they're immortal.
Also come on, Lute going from being completely uninjured to bleeding from multiple places from falling rubble isn't an "a character one-shots a wall several times"

16 anti-feats from a 15 seasons show ain't that much and I assume they have wayyy more feats than the Overlords who have basically nothing to work with lol

The latter happened so? Also Millie and Blitz are definitely stronger than some rando Sinners lol

They fly lol

I mean think about it, both of these two feats are a bunch of mid tiers managing to block an attack from a God tier by banding together.

Never said that. But these 5-Bs shouldn't also be dying from falling rubble and the like.

It legit goes from, say 20% complete to 70% when the Overlords join in, they definitely made a huge impact.

Ig he could've tricked them. But also he could've done that with Sir Pentious and didn't despite the fact they "fought" over 20 times.



I mean, that's kinda the point, it's propaganda. He just seems to view Lilith like a strong Sinner from the past ala Alastor but less so.
Also it doesn't even seem to be that he wasn't trying (See Vox Populi), like again just singing doesn't trigger, the WoG outright specifies Hear My Hope was the only time the cast ever tapped into this "Power of Song" a.k.a. under the extreme circumstances that are if we don't stop this bomb rn, everyone ******* dies.

Again like, it's not an off and on switch. It's very much similar to Frisk's DT.
Like I wouldn't say Frisk is stupid for not feeling determined enough to overpower Omega Flowey's DT lol

The fact they melt at all already shows humans aren't going to react the same to DT as monsters.

It's close enough.

Huh? You're thinking of the Pacifist fight, not the Neutral one. She's very much trying to kill you in the latter.

What makes you say that? The Frisk that fought Asgore has better equipment than the one that fought anyone else and like, Asgore isn't even that much stronger than everyone else.

Clearly not if it's the only song in the show that tapped into this primordial power lol

Why didn't she just transform to her full Demon Form and solo Adam? I dunno, she just doesn't know?
And like, her going into song and being met with mockery happened like, 3 times? Why wouldn't it happen again.

It's not every one in Hell though, and like, again tapping into it clearly isn't easy.

Didn't you have a problem with the Angelic Weapons being on the same tier as Adam?

Yet he'd still get the Tier 5 rating despite his laundry of feats being:



wow

Did he think they were just going to stand there and let themselves die or something lol
I do feel even if it's that, he clearly didn't think they were capable of stopping the bomb

They literally can't even scratch the Angels. They have no Angelic Weapons.
It'd be like if we started to genocide ants cause we'd be scared of them uprising, like huh?

Ain't it for the best tho?

We get the rating they're actually at 99% of the time and the 5-B is still going to be listed with the Power of Song amp (Maybe a note about how that shit isn't just singing) and all the anti-feat concerns poof away. It's legit the best of both worlds.

Could you summarize the discussion? I don't want to read the whole thing.
 
Could you summarize the discussion? I don't want to read the whole thing.
I'm saying the Overlords' base shouldn't scale to 5-B cause they were amped during the Hear My Hope stuff (Here's the WoG about it) and cause they got more anti-feats than they got actual feats (All their feats are still just within Tier 9)
Orange is saying we should dismiss the WoG cause the show never talks about an amp and that it's contradicted by Charlie not using it against Adam, and that the anti-feats should be disregarded cause they range from 9-C/9-B while Overlords got 9-A showings
 
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I'm gonna be FR, of the people who actually scale, what anti-feats are there? Cause non-magic users do not scale whatsoever. You won't be seeing 5-B Angel Dust.
Didn't Al get hurt from being smashed into the bridge? And the majority of things that actually hurt him are high tier 8 stuffs. Don't get me wrong, I'll take the scaling, but realistically, the planetary feat should probably be a massive outlier, as no one, not even AL until then got anything above 8-A. And they only scale to it because...idfk. The anti feats are all of their previous feats.

More realistically tho, this could all just be a GoW, Doom, Dragon Ball, One Piece problem all over again with a high AP horrendous (by comp.) DC verse.

And I only say that due to Alastor being a self admitted deviantart OC, so high but undefined powerscales are to be expected. (the fact that actually can be an argument is kinda funny)
 
You know, theres a real easy way to fix all this, just have overlords not scale to their magic. We did it for the Goetic demons, why not the overlords? It would actually be more consistent, and they CAN amp themselves up with their magic (or some can like Vox and AL).
More realistically tho, this could all just be a GoW, Doom, Dragon Ball, One Piece problem all over again with a high AP horrendous (by comp.) DC verse.
And some of this in the mix as well.
So why not:
Sinners: 9-B
Overlords: 9-A/8-C physically, up to 5-B with magic
?
 
Also, the "WoG" is the music comps. They aren't 100%, more to the point, they just generalize that singing makes you stronger, so the overlords didn't necessarily need Charlie, just to sing for the right reason and do it with genuine emotion.

There is ground IG with Lilith empowering sinners with her songs and Charlie may have that, but until later seasons, we really can't just say she straight up takes full cred
 
Hell this scene happens right after Lute leaves so lol (You can even see the forcefield waver and start dropping)
Hol up now. That was clearly about the lack of numbers they had still because after when the overlords join in they finish it up, I don’t think it was about “noo our magical friendship power” more about “we need more fcking magic”
 
Eden with plans to make everyone 9-A (or 9-C, given the anti-feats are there):
Technically also me-
Didn't Al get hurt from being smashed into the bridge?
No, before that he was being clearly thrown and smashed around basically every object by Vox before Vox throws him at the bridge.
the planetary feat should probably be a massive outlier
For them? Arguably. For Lucifer and high tiers? nah.
 
Hol up now. That was clearly about the lack of numbers they had still because after when the overlords join in they finish it up, I don’t think it was about “noo our magical friendship power” more about “we need more fcking magic”
I mean Emily not being able to sustain the shield much longer doesn’t really make sense since then she proceeds to maintain it for the rest of the song.
Unless it’s more like lifting a heavy weight, where the Overlords stepping in helps distribute or mitigate the strain? I dunno

I'm kinda going backwards cause the two songwriters just say there are "implications in [this song] that these characters' voices and these characters' music give them power."
 
I mean Emily not being able to sustain the shield much longer doesn’t really make sense since then she proceeds to maintain it for the rest of the song.
Unless it’s more like lifting a heavy weight, where the Overlords stepping in helps distribute or mitigate the strain? I dunno

I'm kinda going backwards cause the two songwriters just say there are "implications in [this song] that these characters' voices and these characters' music give them power."
Furthermore, wasn't it a situation where there might have been an accumulation of power?

Because even with everyone joining in (I saw someone say 12, but I think there were 14), things weren't stopped immediately. There was still a period of everyone contributing power before things stopped.
 
@Eden_Warlock99 What’s your proposal for the Overlords tiers/Charlie/Emily?
Think regular Overlords (Vel and Val) should be 9-A, the strongest ones like 100% Approval Vox and Al are higher tho (Via Shok.wav and Al's own Low 7-C feat)

Charlie is weird, her base is like, Katie Killjoy level? Her full power scales to Adam tho

Emily has nothing to work with, but Ig like, her bones survived the Lucifer beam?
 
Think regular Overlords (Vel and Val) should be 9-A, the strongest ones like 100% Approval Vox and Al are higher tho (Via Shok.wav and Al's own Low 7-C feat)
Weakened Al was able to somewhat keep up with 100% Vox, the same Al that got crippled by one Valentino punch

Additionally Al's forcefield before the injury was tanking Angelic Weapons and then we saw Velvette tear through a weakened Al's forcefield...

Just putting these two feats out there.
 
Weakened Al was able to somewhat keep up with 100% Vox, the same Al that got crippled by one Valentino punch
Ain't exactly the same, he was in his Demon form against 100% Vox and Valentino punched his injury so ehhh
(The Shok.wav stuff is already kinda dubious cause the only scaling they got to him is Vox not being that hurt from his tail accidently hitting him)
Additionally Al's forcefield before the injury was tanking Angelic Weapons and then we saw Velvette tear through a weakened Al's forcefield...
He was trying to lose so don't know if that also wasn't part of the ploy (Even then, Weakened Al and S1 Al don't really have scaling between each other anyway)
 
Additionally Al's forcefield before the injury was tanking Angelic Weapons and then we saw Velvette tear through a weakened Al's forcefield...
They weren't the same force-fields anyways, and some of her initial attacks didn't actually tear through it.
 
I am laughing at you because you are using the fact that "they look different" to say Alastor has... two force field abilities?

By this logic

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Are these both not Holy Light because they look different?
 
They don't even look different? The only difference is one moves in a straight line and the other didn't.
One is a beam other one is a shockwave, in what world is that same?

Its ******* stupid to say Alastor has two forcefield abilities and used the... weaker o- why the **** would he have two of the same ability??
 
I think it just looks different because Al is weakened, like how his tendrils don't have the green electricity
 
One is a beam other one is a shockwave, in what world is that same?
They literally look the same ******* thing, the only ******* difference is that the first moves in a straight line and the other moves horizontally because he shot it out of his axe in that ******* way.
Its ******* stupid to say Alastor has two forcefield abilities and used the... weaker o- why the **** would he have two of the same ability??
Same guy ******* struggled to ******* use his ******* powers properly because he was ******* weaker so your ******* justification that he used a weaker ******* ability by ******* choice makes ******* no ******* sense.

Now, take a shot for every time I said ****.
 
They literally look the same ******* thing, the only ******* difference is that the first moves in a straight line and the other moves horizontally because he shot it out of his axe in that ******* way.

Same guy ******* struggled to ******* use his ******* powers properly because he was ******* weaker so your ******* justification that he used a weaker ******* ability by ******* choice makes ******* no ******* sense.

Now, take a shot for every time I said ****.
Oh, you speak Epsteinian?
 
Lol what
They literally look the same ******* thing, the only ******* difference is that the first moves in a straight line and the other moves horizontally because he shot it out of his axe in that ******* way.

Same guy ******* struggled to ******* use his ******* powers properly because he was ******* weaker so your ******* justification that he used a weaker ******* ability by ******* choice makes ******* no ******* sense.

Now, take a shot for every time I said ****.
Average roblox chat
 
I didn't watch Hazbin hotel but Helluva Boss, is it worth to watch? (I've started to the Helluva Boss because of it's Turkish Dub made by some fans, it was quite magnificent espically Blitzø's VA
 
I didn't watch Hazbin hotel but Helluva Boss, is it worth to watch? (I've started to the Helluva Boss because of it's Turkish Dub made by some fans, it was quite magnificent espically Blitzø's VA
I enjoy it but you'll see quickly that it's far from flawless. I guess it depends on how tolerant you are to swearing and sex jokes.
 
I didn't watch Hazbin hotel but Helluva Boss, is it worth to watch? (I've started to the Helluva Boss because of it's Turkish Dub made by some fans, it was quite magnificent espically Blitzø's VA
Watch Season 1, only watch season 2 if you like stories more focused on romance than anything else.
 
I didn't watch Hazbin hotel but Helluva Boss, is it worth to watch? (I've started to the Helluva Boss because of it's Turkish Dub made by some fans, it was quite magnificent espically Blitzø's VA
(My opinion on everything)
It boils down to how tolerant you are to constant swearing and sex jokes.

And another thing is how the show just goes from demons going to earth to do their job as assassins to Stolitz drama which is honestly just pure ass.

Season 1 is pure peakness. Genuinely don't think any of the episodes are "bad." (Queen Bee is a bit boring though.)

Season 2 just goes all over the place but concludes as pure ass

The Circus is good
Seeing stars is just copying Loo Loo Land drama
exes and oohs is meh
western energy is ass and butchers Striker imo
unhappy campers is the definition of pure dogshit
Oops is decent
Mammon's magnificent musical is my favorite S2 episode
The Full Moon is mediocre
Apology Tour same as Full Moon
GhostF**kers is my second favorite, purely because Rolando's plot was peak and he's just such an interesting character/concept.
Mastermind is all over the place but how everything is handled is just one big fat joke
Sinsmas is just garbage.

Overall, Season 1 is peak, Season 2 is all over the place, mostly garbage though. (all my opinion)
 
(My opinion on everything)
It boils down to how tolerant you are to constant swearing and sex jokes.

And another thing is how the show just goes from demons going to earth to do their job as assassins to Stolitz drama which is honestly just pure ass.

Season 1 is pure peakness. Genuinely don't think any of the episodes are "bad." (Queen Bee is a bit boring though.)

Season 2 just goes all over the place but concludes as pure ass

The Circus is good
Seeing stars is just copying Loo Loo Land drama
exes and oohs is meh
western energy is ass and butchers Striker imo
unhappy campers is the definition of pure dogshit
Oops is decent
Mammon's magnificent musical is my favorite S2 episode
The Full Moon is mediocre
Apology Tour same as Full Moon
GhostF**kers is my second favorite, purely because Rolando's plot was peak and he's just such an interesting character/concept.
Mastermind is all over the place but how everything is handled is just one big fat joke
Sinsmas is just garbage.

Overall, Season 1 is peak, Season 2 is all over the place, mostly garbage though. (all my opinion)
I personally like season 2 more than season 1, mainly because I prefer shows that are more serialised than episodic, and I didn't really find season 1 to be that memorable besides Ozzie's, but yeah your enjoyment of it is highly dependent on how much you care/don't care for Stolas and Blitzø's relationship.
 
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