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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Arkenis said:
Yeah hypersonic to mhs+ is consistent!!
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Yeah… hypersonic to mhs+
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Rodriiogo said:
His lightning is his CE, it is simply his CE being discharged between him and his opponent through an electrostatic dischage which creates the lightning. If Nue has the same type of CE he also can do the same thing, Nue just skips a few steps and creates the lightnings via it transfering throughout his electrified wings instead, while Kashimo does it via transfering it to his opponent directly. This has the drawback of Nue's lightning not being sure hit while Kashimo's is.
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that "lightning" can be tanked by Momo
And the comparison is made by Panda only for it both being electricity, it doesnt mean Nue's electricity is actually like Kashimo's lightning in any way
Rodriiogo said:
The lightning was already targetting his head here.
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Then Kashimo would've noted it, or it would've been acknowledged, like any other impressive speed feat in JJK, the dude saw someone "dodge" his unavoidable lightning and doesnt even note it in any way?
Also nowhere does it say that lightning will strike where Kashimo is hitting specifically, not to mention he clearly touched other parts of Hakari's body like his arms and shoulders
Kashimo only says that he's gonna finish off Hakari after this, meaning his intention was to cripple Hakari and THEN kill him
Rodriiogo said:
Kashimo's "now I will target the head" is just average John Werryism because in an actual translation he notes how he will pinpoint to make it explode on his head this time, not "I will target his head now". He was already doing that lmao, literally all his attacks even after the first lightning were targetted at his head it's insane.
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yeah, that is only later, it's clear Kashimo's first aim was not Hakari's head before, why would he say that if he was actually already pinpointing his lightning to Hakari's head
Rodriiogo said:
(He also targets Panda's head with lightning but people will tell you he decided to aim at Hakari's arm even tho he knew Hakari was way stronger in CE quantity and output to the point he could ignore his CE after just a few blows, ok man)
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big ass head, not really a way to not hit it, also Panda's actual head is fine by the end
Rodriiogo said:
I already said I agree there are statements, but that goes for alot of verses in the wiki that still get upgraded if they have feats above that even when they have multiple statements capping the verse. I'm pretty sure the wiki doesn't follow statements if there's superior feats, which there are here.
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I dont believe u when BC is being capped at light speed from ONE SINGULAR out of context character statement ignoring absolutely everything else prior to it or after it 🥺
Rodriiogo said:
Stuff like lightning attack speed on it's own is a very impressive statement, could just be me idk but I don't think Gege intended the lightnings to be that much faster than everyone specially because of Hakari.
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for me Kashimo's lightning not being able to miss comes from it's speed too, it's supposed to be overwhelmingly strong and fast
Rodriiogo said:
What's the issue with anime feats? It got accepted as canon.
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They carry too hard
Rodriiogo said:
Do you really wanna downgrade todo, and everyone who isn't yuta and higuruma to Peak Human level speeds? Reminder that, as laser and king brought up, even regular Naoya is faster than most of them and PS allows him to do 24 movements in one go instead of just one, so it allows him to theorically do moves 24x faster
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it might happen gng
Rodriiogo said:
Still beyond mach 3 irc and we do see that that she didn't have her arms on the air beforehand.
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we dont
Rodriiogo said:
Using the cap statement itself to justify it being consistent as a reason to why a feat should not be used because the of cap being consistent again, love it
(Circular ash)
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what are you even saying, the statement trumps any calc or feat you make up, also why are you treating it as a separate thing somehow, its a part of the consistent speeds for the verse, what do you not understand?
Im using the statement to show u that JJK considers needing a certain lvl of durability to go at mach 3 or beyond, a random ass curse doesnt have it
Rodriiogo said:
When is this ever even HINTED at? It for sure isn't stated or proved so when?
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The fact that it basically statues anyone its fired at lol?
Rodriiogo said:
I'm saying gege is inconsistent
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Gege is legit more consistent than majority of other shonen authors
 
Mommyleona said:
that "lightning" can be tanked by Momo
And the comparison is made by Panda only for it both being electricity, it doesnt mean Nue's electricity is actually like Kashimo's lightning in any way
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And? The lightning can be tanked by momo cause it actually doesn't have that high of an AP. It doesn't mean it isn't a lightning regardless? I'm not saying Nue's lighting has the AP of kashimo's that's insane. And again, the comparision made by panda is for the CE which is what the lightning also is. The electricity is the lightning because of how it's actually created.

Mommyleona said:
Then Kashimo would've noted it, or it would've been acknowledged, like any other impressive speed feat in JJK, the dude saw someone "dodge" his unavoidable lightning and doesnt even note it in any way?
Also nowhere does it say that lightning will strike where Kashimo is hitting specifically, not to mention he clearly touched other parts of Hakari's body like his arms and shoulders
Kashimo only says that he's gonna finish off Hakari after this, meaning his intention was to cripple Hakari and THEN kill him
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He didn't note it because he didn't fully dodge it and because it likely has happened before in his era. We know that strong people from his era like Ryu can keep up with people like Yuta who are comparable to JP Hakari himself, so it likely isn't the first time that someone "dodged" (not really) his lightning.
As for the other part: "He transfers the positive charges to his enemies with his attacks" wherever Kashimo hits is where the positive energy is transfered mainly and that's what the lightning is attacked too. He doesn't hit Hakari anywhere else other than his head and we know that the CE wasn't transfering throughout Hakari's entire body because Hakari is basically immune to it due to his high CE quantity and output.
Also Kashimo only says he's gonna finish off Hakari after his lightning was "dodged" and destroyed his arm because he thought Hakari wouldn't be able to fight back now. He never intended to simply "cripple" Hakari.

Mommyleona said:
yeah, that is only later, it's clear Kashimo's first aim was not Hakari's head before, why would he say that if he was actually already pinpointing his lightning to Hakari's head
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It ON THE PANEL is aimed at his head and I already showed why it being aimed at his arm makes no sense for Kashimo to do, Kashimo intended to kill him not harm him a lil. And the difference in the statements compared to John Werry's translation is that Kashimo doesn't say he will only do it now, he has already been doing this, he's basically just noting that even if he is "Immortal" a lightning to the head would kill him so he's gonna make sure it precisely (pinpoint) explodes on his head so he dies.

Mommyleona said:
big ass head, not really a way to not hit it, also Panda's actual head is fine by the end
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Well if he wanted to he could have just aimed at Panda's torso, or arms since he hit those beforehand so he straight up chose to aim at his head.
Panda's actual head is fine because the lightning exploded on his sister's head which was covering his. Just like Jogo's domain, just because it is a sure hit that aims at X part of someone's body doesn't mean it will hit X, it just means it will hit that someone's body regardless. Otherwise Jogo's attack during his domain would have hit Gojo's head and not his arm, just like Panda's head despite being the target of Kashimo's lightning didn't get destroyed because his sister's head was on the way and just like Kashimo aiming it at Hakari's head doesn't mean it would have hit Hakari's head if he's fast enough to make it hit something else (which is what happened)

Mommyleona said:
I dont believe u when BC is being capped at light speed from ONE SINGULAR out of context character statement ignoring absolutely everything else prior to it or after it 🥺
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The wiki should just make a clear about stuff like this atp cause (if what ur saying is true) multiple other verses should get nerfed to super hell man because only feats support them being X while statements say otherwise icl

Mommyleona said:
for me Kashimo's lightning not being able to miss comes from it's speed too, it's supposed to be overwhelmingly strong and fast
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That's not what the story says tho, the story straight up says the reason is it targetting onto the positive energy that Kashimo inserted into his opponent.

Mommyleona said:
They carry too hard
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Fairs ig? 😭

Mommyleona said:
it might happen gng
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Nvm true, WE all accept superhuman JJK cap (will this actually fr happen I'm crine)

Mommyleona said:
we dont
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She wasn't even looking at Nue at first I'm pretty sure, only Takaba looks up while Maki was still looking forward (likely because of her precog tbf so I won't push it further, anime will prob show it better regardless)

Mommyleona said:
what are you even saying, the statement trumps any calc or feat you make up, also why are you treating it as a separate thing somehow, its a part of the consistent speeds for the verse, what do you not understand?
Im using the statement to show u that JJK considers needing a certain lvl of durability to go at mach 3 or beyond, a random ass curse doesnt have it
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I'm saying the whole argument is about if the statement is consistent but everytime someone shows a feat contradicting the statement's cap, the reason for it not being true IS the statement, so the way of making the statement valid is by saying everything that is higher than the statement is invalid... because of the statement.

Mommyleona said:
The fact that it basically statues anyone its fired at lol?
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When did it do this other than against Panda? There's even a current accepted feat for the weakened crippled, basically on a wheelchair, Sukuna reacting to the lightning via transforming before it hits him I'm pretty sure.

Mommyleona said:
Gege is legit more consistent than majority of other shonen authors
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I was gonna say no but considering how most shonen authors are, that's fair, thing is we also don't take alot of statements from those shonen authors for scaling because, well as u said they are inconsistent. Gege being less inconsistent doesn't make him not inconsistent.
 
ElJoaki5 said:
We could lowk upscale high tiers to mach 5 cause Kenjaku was no diffing piercing blood in speed
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Everyone that isn't high tier: Superhuman
Naoya with PS: Subsonic - Transonic
Curse Naoya: Supersonic (Mach 3)
High Tiers: Hypersonic (Mach 5)
Gojo and Sukuna: High Hypersonic+ (I forgot the value)

True JJK Speed scaling
 
Rodriiogo said:
Everyone that isn't high tier: Superhuman
Naoya with PS: Subsonic - Transonic
Curse Naoya: Supersonic (Mach 3)
High Tiers: Hypersonic (Mach 5)
Gojo and Sukuna: High Hypersonic+ (I forgot the value)

True JJK Speed scaling
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Nah nah, Gojo is only faster than Naobito thanks to Blue. He is still capped
 
Rodriiogo said:
Everyone that isn't high tier: Superhuman
Naoya with PS: Subsonic - Transonic
Curse Naoya: Supersonic (Mach 3)
High Tiers: Hypersonic (Mach 5)
Gojo and Sukuna: High Hypersonic+ (I forgot the value)

True JJK Speed scaling
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Imma be so fr rn, this is like half good the other half is straight bad
 
Rodriiogo said:
Everyone that isn't high tier: Superhuman
Naoya with PS: Subsonic - Transonic
Curse Naoya: Supersonic (Mach 3)
High Tiers: Hypersonic (Mach 5)
Gojo and Sukuna: High Hypersonic+ (I forgot the value)

True JJK Speed scaling
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High tiers
Yuji, Yuta, Yorozu, Hakari, Uraume, Yuki, Kenjaku, Ryun, Geto, Miguel, Kashimo and Uro gonna be Mach 5?🤔
 
Rodriiogo said:
Everyone that isn't high tier: Superhuman
Naoya with PS: Subsonic - Transonic
Curse Naoya: Supersonic (Mach 3)
High Tiers: Hypersonic (Mach 5)
Gojo and Sukuna: High Hypersonic+ (I forgot the value)
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Massively Hypersonic with Rela reactions*
 
Rodriiogo said:
And again, the comparision made by panda is for the CE which is what the lightning also is. The electricity is the lightning because of how it's actually created.
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the comparison is only for it being electricity because it was electrocuting Panda like Nue's does. Any other traits Kashimo's ce may have later are not a part of that comparison
Rodriiogo said:
He didn't note it because he didn't fully dodge it and because it likely has happened before in his era.
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Sooo hedcanon is what i hear, no farmer is dodging lightning bub
Rodriiogo said:
We know that strong people from his era like Ryu can keep up with people like Yuta who are comparable to JP Hakari himself, so it likely isn't the first time that someone "dodged" (not really) his lightning.
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It still logically would be noted that his aim was off the mark, but Kashimo is acting like it was his plan all along
Rodriiogo said:
As for the other part: "He transfers the positive charges to his enemies with his attacks" wherever Kashimo hits is where the positive energy is transfered mainly and that's what the lightning is attacked too
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Well yeah, but it doesnt mean its into that specific spot
Rodriiogo said:
He doesn't hit Hakari anywhere else other than his head and we know that the CE wasn't transfering throughout Hakari's entire body because Hakari is basically immune to it due to his high CE quantity and output.
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his ce itself doesnt have to transfer just the positive charge, and it does transfer hakari is just able to ignore it
Rodriiogo said:
Also Kashimo only says he's gonna finish off Hakari after his lightning was "dodged" and destroyed his arm because he thought Hakari wouldn't be able to fight back now. He never intended to simply "cripple" Hakari.
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By his words he's only now intending to finish him off
Rodriiogo said:
It ON THE PANEL is aimed at his head and I already showed why it being aimed at his arm makes no sense for Kashimo to do
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Perspective shot 🥱
I'll just leave this point until anime comes out
Rodriiogo said:
And the difference in the statements compared to John Werry's translation is that Kashimo doesn't say he will only do it now, he has already been doing this, he's basically just noting that even if he is "Immortal" a lightning to the head would kill him so he's gonna make sure it precisely (pinpoint) explodes on his head so he dies.
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nothing changes between the translations tbh
Rodriiogo said:
Just like Jogo's domain, just because it is a sure hit that aims at X part of someone's body doesn't mean it will hit X, it just means it will hit that someone's body regardless. Otherwise Jogo's attack during his domain would have hit Gojo's head and not his arm,
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that was not Jogo's sure hit, Jogo never used his sure hit
Rodriiogo said:
if what ur saying is true
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it is
Rodriiogo said:
That's not what the story says tho, the story straight up says the reason is it targetting onto the positive energy that Kashimo inserted into his opponent.
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The story also shows how it's extremely fast cuz well its LIGHTNING, people literally have no time to react and BAM its in their face already, why was Hakari not able to dodge it the second time, even though it would be easier by now as he would know it's coming?
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Here its actually made clear its going for his head, Hakari cant dodge it, and we also see his nerves and veins bulge when it goes that close to his face

and here Hakari also is shown to be basically frozen in comparison to the lightning
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Rodriiogo said:
She wasn't even looking at Nue at first I'm pretty sure, only Takaba looks up while Maki was still looking forward (likely because of her precog tbf so I won't push it further, anime will prob show it better regardless)
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Both looked at it
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and the next shot is with Maki already having hands raised
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Rodriiogo said:
I'm saying the whole argument is about if the statement is consistent but everytime someone shows a feat contradicting the statement's cap, the reason for it not being true IS the statement, so the way of making the statement valid is by saying everything that is higher than the statement is invalid... because of the statement.
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yeah that's how it works lol, if the verse tells you that you die if you're too fragile when hitting X speed it applies for everything
Rodriiogo said:
When did it do this other than against Panda? There's even a current accepted feat for the weakened crippled, basically on a wheelchair, Sukuna reacting to the lightning via transforming before it hits him I'm pretty sure.
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I showed above
And also we dont actually see if he reacted or not, we just it hit him BAM and he's transformed
 
Rodriiogo said:
fairs mb as it was pointed out everyone should be superhuman instead other than naobito, naoya, gojo and sukuna
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If we go by statements and consistency, the effective scaling would be like:
  1. Everyone below high tiers: Superhuman (scaling off no CE Yuji being equal to grade 2/1, Megumi considering him fast, high tiers blitzing these guys, etc)
  2. High tiers: Subsonic (Off the like dozen or so calcs of guys like Toji and those comparable blitzing high tiers) (Jogo would also be here off blitzing feats and downscaling from Naobito)
  3. Naoya: Subsonic to transonic (stated values and blitzed grade 1s)
  4. Naobito: subsonic+ to at least transonic (his own calc and being superior to Naoya)
  5. Naoya Cursed: Supersonic to Mach 3 (Stated Values)
  6. Gojo/Sukuna: (Honestly you can argue anywhere from above high tiers to above Mach 3 depends on preference)
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
It's just a discussion to see the results since those points were never truly addressed. I'm 98% positive that nothing will change
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Soo like, it will be a crt but as a discussion or?
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Nah nah, Gojo is only faster than Naobito thanks to Blue. He is still capped
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Lowkey, Gojo a bum, Jogo was able to survive against him for like 40 MINUTES, give Sukuna a challenge to kill Hanami and Jogo without killing any humans like Gojo and i see him easily doing it within a minute
With current values Gojo with just ce reinforcement should be able to freely blitz and one shot them while asleep and with his pinky
And then he also spends 5 minutes to kill transfigured humans
what a fraud
 
Mommyleona said:
Soo like, it will be a crt but as a discussion or?

Lowkey, Gojo a bum, Jogo was able to survive against him for like 40 MINUTES, give Sukuna a challenge to kill Hanami and Jogo without killing any humans like Gojo and i see him easily doing it within a minute
With current values Gojo with just ce reinforcement should be able to freely blitz and one shot them while asleep and with his pinky
And then he also 5 minutes to kill transfigured humans
what a fraud
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holy sukuna glaze, sukuna high diffed that man
 
“Supersonic+ with Senses (Required GODLY sensory capabilities, on the level of molecular detection to PREDICT Mach 3 Naoya)” - Maki scaling

“Subsonic, Supersonic+ reaction speed (After EATING his brothers and training in Kusakabe’s body, he developed into a sorcerer who BARELY kept up with dying Sukuna)” - Yuji scaling

We’re so backkkkk
 
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