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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

Yeah thanks for giving the authors’ most favorite PIS list that virtually any verse has.
They're really common for verses that range from Tier 9-8, even Tier 7 sometimes.
What verse is supposedly packed with 5-Bs, yet has characters get straight-up incapacitated by a large fall? Sure ain't Dragon Ball or One Punch Man that's for sure.

And why are we acting like we didn’t just have a thread where three anti-feats were enough to downgrade Sir Pentious from 8-B to 9-B?
These guys have more than double the anti-feats and not even a direct feat that comes from an amped version of themselves that doesn't at all scale to their base.
Monsters in Undertale die to a ten-year-old child with Toy Knife and Empty Gun. Clearly not that- WOW IS THAT HIGH 8-C?
That's not a lot really.

Also don't forget that the 10 year old regularly takes explosives to the face and also tanked a timeline bust and fought god that 1 time lol
Fiction treats it like that most of the time though. A far weaker character can fight or finish the guy who was heavily beaten up before.
Got an example where being roughed up a bit made someone a million times weaker do this?
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Even if that’s the case, still makes no sense why Hotel staff never tried that.
Again I'd just say they couldn't. The only Overlords on her side were Alastor and Rosie and she was not uniting Heaven and Hell by killing Heaven's army lol

Hell even if she could and didn't, what does that prove? Charlie can match Adam in power and only did so when it didn't matter anymore.
She wasn't even the one who started the Hear My Hope song lol
 
How the tables have turned from the people arguing the anti-feats are now arguing the higher scaling.
 
They're really common for verses that range from Tier 9-8, even Tier 7 sometimes.
They are common for virtually any verse as PIS.
What verse is supposedly packed with 5-Bs, yet has characters get straight-up incapacitated by a large fall? Sure ain't Dragon Ball or One Punch Man that's for sure.
I can give you plenty of Ninjago PIS which involves being lethally afraid of fall, guns, etc.
And why are we acting like we didn’t just have a thread where three anti-feats were enough to downgrade Sir Pentious from 8-B to 9-B?
His Tier 8 feats were either incorrect or nonsensical: one feat was actually the one he died to, another was tanking angry Alastor’s attack which would mean Pentious <= angry FP Alastor, which is just straight up dishonest.
Also don't forget that the 10 year old regularly takes explosives to the face and also tanked a timeline bust and fought god that 1 time lol
And Overlords stopped an attack that was supposed to wipe out Pentagram.

Got an example where being roughed up a bit made someone a million times weaker do this?
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Sure. If I get beaten up by a professional boxer, pretty sure an 8-year-old would be more than capable of finishing me.
It’s just common sense.
Again I'd just say they couldn't. The only Overlords on her side were Alastor and Rosie and she was not uniting Heaven and Hell by killing Heaven's army lol
Still could’ve done better against Exorcists if power of friendship amps them crazy from fodder Tier 9 to a freaking 5-B.
Hell even if she could and didn't, what does that prove? Charlie can match Adam in power and only did so when it didn't matter anymore.
Proves that unless series shows us clear mechanics of power of friendship empowerment, it can be dismissed as illogical.

Heck, the whole song empowerment in series is supposed to be just Lilith’s unique ability.
 
Heck, the whole song empowerment in series is supposed to be just Lilith’s unique ability.
Crazy considering it was assumed she just motivated people n shit.

Though considering the statement, I don't see how it would be her unique ability anymore.
 
The wording for Alastor VS Vox never made it clear that Vox won, but guess what?
Why didn’t Vox do the same, especially when he was spreading propaganda of being Lilith’s continuator? Why didn’t literally any demon do it after Lilith stayed gone?
Just because it exists doesn't mean everyone is aware they can do it, especially when the example of the someone doing it is from the Queen of Hell.
 
The wording for Alastor VS Vox never made it clear that Vox won, but guess what?
Oh I see
Bro this is literally the same fandom that unironically thought Alastor’s surname is Altruist😭💔
Just because it exists doesn't mean everyone is aware they can do it, especially when the example of the someone doing it is from the Queen of Hell.
Everyone knew it in Hear My Hope, it seems.
Y’all proposing that this is universal amplifier so…
 
They are common for virtually any verse as PIS.
Please, tell me which of these fits better as PIS, something that very clearly had to happen for the plot to continue.

The characters who, across nearly all their scenes, are consistently portrayed as street-tier struggling against street-level shit
Or
Them successfully stopping a massive super-bomb that would’ve killed everyone and literally ended the show if it went off?




IT'S THE BOMB
I can give you plenty of Ninjago PIS which involves being lethally afraid of fall, guns, etc.
I know Ninjago has a lot of seasons and is significantly bigger than Hazbin Hotel.
But if this is as consistent as it's been in the Hellaverse, across all season? I dunno what to tell you expect that Ninjago might be a Danny Phantom lol
His Tier 8 feats were either incorrect or nonsensical: one feat was actually the one he died to, another was tanking angry Alastor’s attack which would mean Pentious <= angry FP Alastor, which is just straight up dishonest.
You don't see how the explosion that would've killed them all, including the strongest guys there, even while just missing Alastor and Rosie, is also as far-fetched?
If not more so cause apparently they fought 20 times before and Alastor also let Vox live despite fighting before sooo
And Overlords stopped an attack that was supposed to wipe out Pentagram.
While AMPED

You know what this sounds like, scaling everyone to Asriel cause they can hurt Frisk, ignoring the fact that the Frisk that did so is wayyyy stronger?
Sure. If I get beaten up by a professional boxer, pretty sure an 8-year-old would be more than capable of finishing me.
It’s just common sense.
You think a punch from an 8 year old is going to tear through your body if you get beaten up? wat
Proves that unless series shows us clear mechanics of power of friendship empowerment, it can be dismissed as illogical.

Heck, the whole song empowerment in series is supposed to be just Lilith’s unique ability.
It's a power of friendship amp, shit isn't controlled obviously.
And "dismissed as illogical"? How is every random Overlord in Hell being a planet buster more logical than the alternative?

And no it's not? WoG confirms it's just an in-universe force, and Lilith using it can be easily explained by her just being the MOST influential gal in Hell, she almost started a revolution lol
 
Oh I see
Bro this is literally the same fandom that unironically thought Alastor’s surname is Altruist😭💔
Yo buddy, don't think you're off the hook, you voted for Vox. I have a good memory. I was there when Rome was built.
Everyone knew it in Hear My Hope, it seems.
I see it more as everyone was just singing along with Emily, I mean, we all know they all like to sing.
 
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"The example in the PCS page also has the entire planet visible without any sign of a curvature, so I'm pretty sure it is still supposed to be used, like here."

They are still asking for a PCS, is this true?
 
Please, tell me which of these fits better as PIS, something that very clearly had to happen for the plot to continue.

The characters who, across nearly all their scenes, are consistently portrayed as street-tier struggling against street-level shit
Or
Them successfully stopping a massive super-bomb that would’ve killed everyone and literally ended the show if it went off?
Stopping a super-bomb is literally the narrative plot-point that cannot be ignored, so second case takes precedence. Again, all of your “anti-feats” are literally most classic PIS ever.
I know Ninjago has a lot of seasons and is significantly bigger than Hazbin Hotel.
But if this is as consistent as it's been in the Hellaverse, across all season?
There are many instances.

The point is, creators don’t care about your power levels, they use guns and falling because it’s very convenient for storytelling in fiction.
I dunno what to tell you expect that Ninjago might be a Danny Phantom lol
Wth is this
You don't see how the explosion that would've killed them all, including the strongest guys there, even while just missing Alastor and Rosie, is also as far-fetched?
Maybe that’s why no-one could’ve stopped that individually? If 6 people stop one big guy, yet big guy would’ve killed them individually, does it mean the first feat does not count?
If not more so cause apparently they fought 20 times before and Alastor also let Vox live despite fighting before sooo
You do realize Pentious regenerates? Literally in their “fight” in Pilot Alastor obliterates him. So don’t see your point here lol.
While AMPED
Already debunked it.
You know what this sounds like, scaling everyone to Asriel cause they can hurt Frisk, ignoring the fact that the Frisk that did so is wayyyy stronger?
Except DETERMINATION is a clearly explained and consistently shown mechanic. Show me Vox singing to fight Alastor better, or Emily mentioning that singing will amp them all, or Overlords being surprised how the heck did they stop the bomb and then realizing singing carried. Go ahead. Give me a single in-story relevance of singing.
You think a punch from an 8 year old is going to tear through your body if you get beaten up? wat
It will still finish me. Knife is different because it’s sharp method, so duh.
And "dismissed as illogical"? How is every random Overlord in Hell being a planet buster more logical than the alternative?
Those are not random, those are sovereign Overlords that collectively own a huge portion of Hell. Also guess what, Ninja team of teenagers being star busters is a thing on this wikia, so…
And no it's not? WoG confirms it's just an in-universe force, and Lilith using it can be easily explained by her just being the MOST influential gal in Hell, she almost started a revolution lol
Why didn’t anyone pick up? Why didn’t Vox continue as successor? You literally didn’t answer any of my questions.
Yo buddy, don't think you're off the hook, you voted for Vox. I have a good memory. I was there when Rome was built.
It was for lols because I was bored. I actually wrote this during that time.
I see it more as everyone was just singing along with Emily, I mean, we all know they all like to sing.
Why weren’t they surprised how they, being 9-A fodders, stopped Lucifer? No-one questioned, literally. How would Emily know singing = trillions-sixillions time stronger?
 
Why weren’t they surprised how they, being 9-A fodders, stopped Lucifer? No-one questioned, literally. How would Emily know singing = trillions-sixillions time stronger?
They didn't know Lucifer was powering it. I doubt Emily knew singing powered her too. They all just randomly break into musical numbers.
 
Emily is probably just not that strong tbh
Like idc how much of a non-fighter you are, there's no reason she could not have gotten out of Vox's cables unless he is just stronger than her, or at least relative to her.
 
They didn't know Lucifer was powering it.
They saw it in the end, also Vaggie knew.
I doubt Emily knew singing powered her too. They all just randomly break into musical numbers.
So you are just telling me Stayed Gone Alastor and Vox were 5-B?
Emily is probably just not that strong tbh
Like idc how much of a non-fighter you are, there's no reason she could not have gotten out of Vox's cables unless he is just stronger than her, or at least relative to her.
LS is consistently treated different from AP, take 2/3 of Radio Trio vs. 2-3 of Vees or Alastor restraining General of Exorcists.
 
Emily is probably just not that strong tbh
Like idc how much of a non-fighter you are, there's no reason she could not have gotten out of Vox's cables unless he is just stronger than her, or at least relative to her.
Tllm, careful, you're going against established season 1 headcanon that Emily is strong as ****.
Another Intelligence downscale, what other type of SUPER POWERED ANGEL JUICE could Vox obtain? I guess maybe Adam's body
Nah, his Eve-confirmed tiny dick would have been enough
 
Nah, his Eve-confirmed tiny dick would have been enough
So you are claiming he has a tiny dick but also saying that would be more than enough for Lucifer's full power, is this glaze or slander

also voted the biggest dih in heaven :ROFLMAO:
 
Another Intelligence downscale, what other type of SUPER POWERED ANGEL JUICE could Vox obtain?
I mean, in general they have angelic weapons, and Sir Pentious could've possibly did something with his death ray to incorporate them when he was about to attack Adam, so....
So you are just telling me Stayed Gone Alastor and Vox were 5-B?
No, I meant they randomly break into musical numbers, which is why she did at that specific time, but she never actually knew it was going to empower her.
Emily is probably just not that strong tbh
Like idc how much of a non-fighter you are, there's no reason she could not have gotten out of Vox's cables unless he is just stronger than her, or at least relative to her.
I mean, from the scene it didn't look like she was trying to escape them, and that's LS iirc.
 
So you are claiming he has a tiny dick but also saying that would be more than enough for Lucifer's full power, is this glaze or slander
Yes
also voted the biggest dih in heaven :ROFLMAO:
Taking it literally, that just means everyone else has smaller... taking as it is meant to be taken, he's the biggest asshole in heaven and everyone knows it.
 
No, I meant they randomly break into musical numbers, which is why she did at that specific time, but she never actually knew it was going to empower her.
That’d be a good interpretation, but still no-one looked surprised why are they even trying or succeeding to stop explosion that will wipe half of Pentagram lol.
I mean, from the scene it didn't look like she was trying to escape them, and that's LS iirc.
Yup
 
Stopping a super-bomb is literally the narrative plot-point that cannot be ignored, so second case takes precedence. Again, all of your “anti-feats” are literally most classic PIS ever.
YES. You do know what PIS is, right? It’s a "term used to refer to events in a story that contradict a character's normal capabilities for the purpose of the plot."

So please explain to me how Velvette getting taken out by a fall instead of Nifty’s attack or Husk not dogwalking the mob sharks he eventually beats anyway is in any way relevant to the plot. How are those moments integral to the story progressing?

But somehow the explosion that would’ve killed everyone if it went off, and therefore had to be stopped... isn’t for the purpose of the plot?
There are many instances.

The point is, creators don’t care about your power levels, they use guns and falling because it’s very convenient for storytelling in fiction.
There’s some leeway when a series is written by multiple writers, since each of them is going to have a slightly different idea of a character’s power level (See Sonic) but like if it's one lad doing it, like at that point you have to go back the drawing board cause clearly we just got something wrong, straight up.
Wth is this
Just like a regular human being Low 1-C cause he could harm Danny Phantom lol
Maybe that’s why no-one could’ve stopped that individually? If 6 people stop one big guy, yet big guy would’ve killed them individually, does it mean the first feat does not count?
Actually, on that note, fact Sera is only like 1/7th of Lu's power, and this ends up making fodder Overlords 1/14th of the blast.
It makes the power gap between Prick and Adam not even x2 lol
You do realize Pentious regenerates? Literally in their “fight” in Pilot Alastor obliterates him. So don’t see your point here lol.
And Alastor can ignore that by just screwing with his soul, which he never did. It's almost like Pentious just isn't worth the effort.
Already debunked it.
Mate they verbatim say "oh yeah their singing made them stronger and we mean that in the most literal way possible"
LIKE LOOK AT THIS
Underberg: But the point of the singing [in “Hear My Hope”] is that their singing serves a plot point, regardless of what words they're singing. I think it has those sections where the song functions more like other songs, in which there’s maybe an argument, kind of an internal dialogue. But the choral main sections in “Hear My Hope,” their voices are actually serving a purpose, a dramatic physical purpose.
Haft: Yeah, exactly. A physical and a mechanical purpose. “Hear My Hope” is the first song in the show that really explicitly taps into something that's alluded to throughout [the show], about music and power. This is something I could nerd about at length — a commonality between the Hellaverse and Lord of the Rings is that in the lore of Lord of the Rings, the world-building is built around this idea that reality was sung into existence. There are implications in [this song] that these characters' voices and these characters' music give them power. “Hear My Hope” is the first example we've seen explicitly of these people's power being manifested through song to achieve an end.
Except DETERMINATION is a clearly explained and consistently shown mechanic. Show me Vox singing to fight Alastor better, or Emily mentioning that singing will amp them all, or Overlords being surprised how the heck did they stop the bomb and then realizing singing carried. Go ahead. Give me a single in-story relevance of singing.
CLEARLY EXPLAINED?! WHERE???
There's not a SINGLE line in the game about how Frisk gets stronger thanks to their Determination, the whole thing is us reaching that conclusion cause they go from struggling against Froggits to fighting god.

And really? I honestly don't get how you don't see the resemblance. Why doesn’t Frisk just will themself past MTT’s invulnerable metal body? Why don’t they just will themself up to Omega Flowey’s level the same way they do against Asriel? Why don't they just blitz sans by just willing it like how they became ******* immeasurable lol
It will still finish me. Knife is different because it’s sharp method, so duh.
That's the problem, getting beat up isn't going to make your skin more penetrable or whatever, if you impale someone you're doing that either way.
Those are not random, those are sovereign Overlords that collectively own a huge portion of Hell. Also guess what, Ninja team of teenagers being star busters is a thing on this wikia, so…
Prick lol
Why didn’t anyone pick up? Why didn’t Vox continue as successor? You literally didn’t answer any of my questions.
He never had Heaven support and he lost his 100% approval rating as fast as he earned it.
Like I'll say it again, fact that this only happened in "Hear My Hope" and WoG calls attention to that clearly means its requirements are more than just "sing lol"
 
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