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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

hearing that from a JJK fan is ironic
There's a difference between copying something and improving something🌟
JJK copies hxh and Bleach more than anything also
IT DOESN'T COPY ANYTHING

Kenjaku is a lot different from Aizen and is unique, Lucius is practically just Aizen but with less personality and more cliche motivation, there are more examples of stuff like that. Are we gonna ignore how Jack the Ripper is literally just Nnoitora?
 
JJK copies hxh and Bleach more than anything also
I'm not saying that BC is a copy, but I deadass never understood why people compare HxH and Bleach with JJK so much. The vibe, paneling, writing and such are so different that it's not even funny. It's indeed Gege's inspiration, but his work really reached it's own thing.
 
This doesnt prove its lightning in any way. Kashimo's ce can take the form of electricity and lightning, not just lightning. All this proves is that its electricity too, thats it.

There is absolutely 0 proof of nue firing lightning anywhere there is nod discussion to be had.
His lightning is his CE, it is simply his CE being discharged between him and his opponent through an electrostatic dischage which creates the lightning. If Nue has the same type of CE he also can do the same thing, Nue just skips a few steps and creates the lightnings via it transfering throughout his electrified wings instead, while Kashimo does it via transfering it to his opponent directly. This has the drawback of Nue's lightning not being sure hit while Kashimo's is.

That's just further proves Hakari didnt dodge it since it homes on the target
Reminder that Kashimo needs to transition said positive energy to his enemies with his attacks. If you look throughout the fight before the first lightning accumulated enough, all hits that Kashimo does on Hakari are directly on his head. The lightning was already targetting his head here. However because of Hakari's speed of just leaning to the side, the lightning did not have time to re-direct and ended up hitting his arm.

If an attack is aiming at your head but it explodes on-touch, if you dash to the side before it re-directs, and it ends up hitting your arm, the attack will stop regardless.

Kashimo's "now I will target the head" is just average John Werryism because in an actual translation he notes how he will pinpoint to make it explode on his head this time, not "I will target his head now". He was already doing that lmao, literally all his attacks even after the first lightning were targetted at his head it's insane. (He also targets Panda's head with lightning but people will tell you he decided to aim at Hakari's arm even tho he knew Hakari was way stronger in CE quantity and output to the point he could ignore his CE after just a few blows, ok man)

Hakari didn't fully dodge it yes but he did make it explode somewhere via "dashing" to the side, that's still a speed feat.

Character statements, narrator statements
I already said I agree there are statements, but that goes for alot of verses in the wiki that still get upgraded if they have feats above that even when they have multiple statements capping the verse. I'm pretty sure the wiki doesn't follow statements if there's superior feats, which there are here.

lack of more impressive statements
Stuff like lightning attack speed on it's own is a very impressive statement, could just be me idk but I don't think Gege intended the lightnings to be that much faster than everyone specially because of Hakari.

feats that usually get higher rely on complicated anime feats which sometimes arent even im the manga
What's the issue with anime feats? It got accepted as canon.

characters being blitzed by people with before mentioned statements consistently, given timeframes for reactions of characters (Todo's perception being 0.01, Yuta and Higuruma being the only ones to notice was it like 0.01 difference? and stuff like that)
Do you really wanna downgrade todo, and everyone who isn't yuta and higuruma to Peak Human level speeds? Reminder that, as laser and king brought up, even regular Naoya is faster than most of them and PS allows him to do 24 movements in one go instead of just one, so it allows him to theorically do moves 24x faster. If you cap him at transonic with PS as, again king already brought up, they would all be at around 14m/s which is slwoer than BoS Yuji. Which sure if you wanna go by those statements being consistent and supported wait for the thread and argue that everyone should be downgraded to superhuman.

1. anime only

2. not lightning

3. it was offscreen and we dont actually see him dodging
Refer to the first part of this message, and he still reacted to it. It being anime only is also irrelevant considering it's canon lol.

again not lightning, and she also blocks it from like, dozens of meters (if not more) away while having precog and seeing Sukuna summon Nue first (she could've even raised her arms before said "lightning" was shot)
Still beyond mach 3 irc and we do see that that she didn't have her arms on the air beforehand.

yeah bud, anime only random grade 3 curse is faster than Curse Naoya having to do BV to not crumble under mach 3 speed and having to first speed up for some time to hit it lol sure
as they should
Using the cap statement itself to justify it being consistent as a reason to why a feat should not be used because the of cap being consistent again, love it
(Circular ash)

what statement puts the verse higher? is there some mach over 9000 statement that i dont know about?
I was saying that those statements/attacks existing isn't "Insignificant", that was it, I was just confused on why you called it insignificant

It is 100% because of speed too
When is this ever even HINTED at? It for sure isn't stated or proved so when?

Yeah surely Gege meant that and surely all the actual clear speed statements are WRONG and Gege was drunk when writing them, surely 😭
This is some 2022-23 lvls of copium
I'm saying gege is inconsistent, which is something he himself admits to be so using the fact that those 2-3 statements exist as the absolute cap/truth of the verse's speed is kinda weird when other statements in speed make stuff like, as I said, over 400x faster attacks requiring a sure-hit and there's way superior feats.
 
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There's a difference between copying something and improving something🌟
Black clover has nothing to do with Naruto, Tabata never once said it was his inspiration, ever, Bleach yeah
IT DOESN'T COPY ANYTHING
If you think bc "copies" then jjk does too lol
Kenjaku is a lot different from Aizen and is unique, Lucius is practically just Aizen but with less personality and more cliche motivation
Lucius is better than bumzen

Do you wanna make me start listing where JJK "copied" stuff from other manga?

Its just inspiration in both cases, im not having this stupid convo
Are we gonna ignore how Jack the Ripper is literally just Nnoitora?
What similarity do they share outside of having vaguely resembling design (it's not even similiar tbh)
 
Black clover has nothing to do with Naruto, Tabata never once said it was his inspiration, ever, Bleach yeah

If you think bc "copies" then jjk does too lol

Lucius is better than bumzen

Do you wanna make me start listing where JJK "copied" stuff from other manga?

Its just inspiration in both cases, im not having this stupid convo

What similarity do they share outside of having vaguely resembling design (it's not even similiar tbh)
0/10 bait, only a BC fan would
 
Black clover has nothing to do with Naruto, Tabata never once said it was his inspiration, ever, Bleach yeah
The entire Elf arc was just a copy paste of the war arc, the whole concept is just the exact replica, Zagred is just budget (and somehow worse) Kaguya
If you think bc "copies" then jjk does too lol
Nah
Lucius is better than bumzen
💀
Do you wanna make me start listing where JJK "copied" stuff from other manga?
It's inspiration, not copy.
Its just inspiration in both cases, im not having this stupid convo
Nope.
What similarity do they share outside of having vaguely resembling design (it's not even similiar tbh)
It's not vague
 
0/10 bait, only a BC fan would
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I'm not saying that BC is a copy, but I deadass never understood why people compare HxH and Bleach with JJK so much. The vibe, paneling, writing and such are so different that it's not even funny. It's indeed Gege's inspiration, but his work really reached it's own thing.
Yeah I do mean inspiration, wasn't using copy in a negative way

IT DOESN'T COPY ANYTHING

Kenjaku is a lot different from Aizen and is unique, Lucius is practically just Aizen but with less personality and more cliche motivation, there are more examples of stuff like that. Are we gonna ignore how Jack the Ripper is literally just Nnoitora?
Yeah they are different in their themes I suppose but action wise, pretty similar. Kenjaku planning Yuji's life to be a vessel for Sukuna and trying to create something to go beyond curses and sorcerers, Aizen initially trying to create the Hogyoku but then developing his plan more and fostering growth in Ichigo. Gege clearly wanted similarity and it's awesome.
 
I didn't get one thing though, what was up with Aizen planning Ichigo's life anyway, why did he do that. It's been a while since I watched it but I didn't get it when I watched it either
 
What does he take from Bleach besides the captain stuff?
Well im not sure, but i would say
Asta having a "devil" like ichigo
Nozel and Noelle are similar to Rukia and Byakuya
Maybe devils are inspired by hollows?
Some people like to say Mimosa is similar to Orihime or like Burpaqibear said, Jack looks a bit like Nnoitora
SOME also call Mereoleona female Kenpachi
BUT imo most of those are a stretch
 
Asta having a "devil" like ichigo
It's more like Naruto and Kurama tbh
Nozel and Noelle are similar to Rukia and Byakuya
Yeah
Maybe devils are inspired by hollows?
Who even says that
Some people like to say Mimosa is similar to Orihime
That's a stretch

or like Burpaqibear said, Jack looks a bit like Nnoitora
Anyone except Jaokibear calling me that feels weird. You do not get the burpaqibear pass
SOME also call Mereoleona female Kenpachi
Ehhh their personalities are a bit similar but she's a lot more sane somehow and a good guy
 
Ah I love waking up to people arguing about speed again. It’s so incredible how both are somehow arguing about consistency when only one of them is really consistent.
 
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