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You're speaking French, I'm speaking Femmish
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Rodriiogo
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Spoilers for EP1 of S3 ig 
What even happened here lmao, did Yuta like blitz the curse to the point we don't even see him get up there? He was basically on ground level in a building far away from the apartment just a while ago.
What even happened here lmao, did Yuta like blitz the curse to the point we don't even see him get up there? He was basically on ground level in a building far away from the apartment just a while ago.
Rodriiogo
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Still that's probably something considering we see that yuji, that got thrown at rapid speeds, is in slow motion and it still only takes ONE FRAME while yuta was literally on the ground
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Would the blood wave that Choso created worth anything? It could almost catch Naoya, so I assume that it was moving at subsonic/subsonic+ speeds.
Or would it break the KE rules?
Or would it break the KE rules?
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That much blood at that speed would at best be like, Small Building level. Kinda trivial. However, for LS it might be decent since he does control it. Nothing crazy, but decent
Rodriiogo
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Snail speed is wank yea but slow motion should still be used via just pixel scaling the distance yuji was moving during the slow mo like it was done to gojo blitzing a curse
Arkenis
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Depends how far up ig. I also don't think Yuta was at ground level, he's just in a building smaller but unknown compared to the one Yuji came out of.
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Mach statements are gonna hount me forever, it's everywhere. Wdym you will make characters cross miles in milliseconds and then say that Mach 9 can completly bliz everyone all in the same chapter
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Just the norm of mangaka's not knowing how fast feats and speeds actually are tbh. Just ignore the statement if the feats contradict it.
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Not the other way around eh?
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Almost never, no. Tho I see the irony of saying that in a JJK thread.Not the other way around eh?
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Rodriiogo
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I re-checked this calc with the real life measurements and it makes Human Naoya supersonic in the anime actually. (Mach 1.165033)
So it would indeed be different via that feat alone lol
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Lowkey, if we stick to the Mach 3 and Subsonic cap stuff, I just think we should deadass nerf all the character's who aren't Gojo, Sukuna, Naoya, and Naobito to like average human level or above average human level for Yuji's speed statement in Chapter 1. There is no world where someone moving at Subsonic speed perception blitzed Yuji by being like .1% faster. We may as well make it make sense.
Rodriiogo
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I personally don't wanna stick to it
the statements are mostly just gege spitballing nonsense for the sake of sounding cool and he himself knows this considering how he talked about his own mach 3 statement.
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I agree it's partially cool factor, but I also just think it's Gege not understanding what speed the feats he writes entails. But if we're going to take the statements 100% seriously as if Gege knows perfectly what he's talking about (Despite constantly self-deprecating his knowledge in many fields and asking for help with math and physics shit), that we should at least be consistent about it and make everyone else like Superhuman in speed at most.I personally don't wanna stick to it
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I mean, inverse blitz can just be different, so maybe being even 0.1 mach faster is enough to blitz in jjk
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Projection Sorcery is basically making the time of 24 moves into one. If Naoya and Naobito can only reach transonic speed with it, it means that their base speed is 14.29166667m/s (the punch speed of a pro boxer)
Rodriiogo
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There's also the fact that he proceeds to introduce stuff like real lightning and light speed attacks, like you gotta be trolling that some sorcerers just HAVE that while everyone else is below mach 3, specially with HOW they are introduced for example:
Why does Kashimo transfer positive energy to his opponents so his lightning is sure-hit? Did he forget no one can move even at mach 3 speeds? It's gonna hit eitherway
Rodriiogo
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Superhuman speed JJK meta
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Yeah, but that's not consistent with actual small speed differences in the series that weren't blitzes. And if even like a 2% difference in speed is enough for a blitz, many scenes in the series wouldn't even make sense. So I stand by making everyone at most Superhuman bar a few characters if we're going to keep the caps.
Then yeah, I'd be up for making everyone at most 14 m/s.
Overkill igThere's also the fact that he proceeds to introduce stuff like real lightning and light speed attacks, like you gotta be trolling that some sorcerers just HAVE that while everyone else is below mach 3, specially with HOW they are introduced for example:
Why does Kashimo transfer positive energy to his opponents so his lightning is sure-hit? Did he forget no one can move even at mach 3 speeds? It's gonna hit eitherway
Rodriiogo
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JJK Season 3 Episode 1 Feats
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EldemadeDityjon
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Only Maki and Naoya caps at Mach 3. Naobito is above them Cope
Rodriiogo
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Choso's PB also moves at around mach 18 there (calc above)HereJJK Season 3 Episode 1 Feats
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Deadass, this was never addressed lol
Do we just assume that everytime that that Naoya and Naobito blitz someone it's an outlier? I mean, 14m/s would make them slower than No CE Itadori. Ignoring that it's basically a 24x multiplier just contradicts the fundamental mechanics of Projection Sorcery
Even if I don't agree with the full removal of the cap an official discussion/CRT is not completly worthless
Rodriiogo
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Human Naoya being simply subsonic-transonic and curse Naoya being mach 3 has never really been consistent with anything else in the story, its only used because "well its stated", the only other """""""supporting""""""" thing was piercing blood which just runs on lies since even the weakest and slowest piercing blood should be supersonic, and capping even Shibuya choso's PB at the level of the weakest and slowest one is just an unnecessary level of agenda for the sake of downgrading the verse
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well they can pre-determine 24 actions that are already scaled off their innate superhuman speed
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Eeeeh, I agree that JJK had a lot of downplay for a lot of time, but I disagree that we need to call the "subsonic" rating pure agenda when there's so many statements about it (Naoya, Mach 3, and blablabla). It is a valid interpretation no matter what
Rodriiogo
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The agenda part was only about how piercing blood was treated as a cap when it inherently has NO CAP on its own (Jogo's A.Speed is only accepted as a "possibly" because its weird for it to be way faster than PB), not the speed scaling being subsonic since that one is at least statements that are true, piercing blood has been running on lies since it just depends on the amount of pressure put into convergence, it starts at supersonic and builds up from there.
Also it is funny how the "so many" statements are all naoya's lol
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Tbf, you can just say in base they > Yuji from BoS and multiply 16.6 by 24 instead, but it'll barely make a difference. But yeah, my thoughts remain the same. I want consistency, so either nerf everyone to 16 m/s via Yuji's statement outside of like a few people, or ignore the speed cap to a much more significant extent than we currently do.
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I think the only possible way to try anything higher is "Subsonic, possible [wathever other tier it would be without the cap]". Otherwise I bet my ass that most would rather have superhuman ratings tbh
Rodriiogo
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Beginning of series Yuji > Entire verse in speed other than gojo, sukuna, naoya and naobito 🗣
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I don't care if everyone wants Superhuman speed ratings, at least it's consistent. I'd rather the speed ratings be consistent than people playing around with the rating and trying to be just as close to the cap as possible without actually equaling or surpassing it. It just leads to many nonsensical scenes. I'd rather ignore the speed cap, but if people wanna take statements to heart so much I'd just prefer they go all the way and make everyone Superhuman.
EldemadeDityjon
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Because Naoya and Maki both are frauds. They thought subsonic and supersonic speed as big thing
Rodriiogo
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FACT: Neither Naoya nor Maki knew what subsonic, speed of sound or mach 3 meant, they were just tryna act smart by saying smart words
Arkenis
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Probably just ends up with us ignoring it and acting like PS is just very fast movement
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