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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

We got Velvette breaking from the V Tower fall, Valentino being taken out by a 9-A sized explosion, Lute getting harmed and crushed by falling rocks, Husk being threatened by regular guns, etc.
Oh yeah, there's also Husk getting kicked out of his casino and the whole Trust Exercises thing and
 
We got Velvette breaking from the V Tower fall
She's a doll.
Valentino being taken out by a 9-A sized explosion
That's most verses, and is an anti-feat they'd be at anyways. Plus, Husk and Cherri weren't majorly harmed by this, and Husk is directly comparable to val.
Lute getting harmed and crushed by falling rocks,
Lute has good odds of not scaling anyways.
Husk being threatened by regular guns,
So a 9-C anti-feat?
It's obviously not going to have as many anti-feats as say Mario due to just the difference in size of the two franchises, but it is like, 70% of their scenes.
Like Deltarune
70% of their scenes are yapping a lot or singing
 
She would? Exorcists in general have a whole episode around how they're invincible to everyone in Hell (Including chum Overlords) and since it's been ruled as a durability thing, and Lute legit just yanked Vaggie's wings from her back, ya know?
Huh, mb I thought that was still in debate.
Though Lute ripping Vaggie's wings doesn't really say anything because it's more of an LS thing and Vaggie doesn't have any feats over any overlord (if anything she gets whooped by a barely trying Carmilla).
 
Oh yeah, there's also Husk getting kicked out of his casino and the whole Trust Exercises thing and
Why is Husk getting kicked out of his Casino an anti-feat? Bro wasn't even thrown out he was just forbidden from gambling.
 
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She's a doll.
That, doesn't change anything? You think she'd be fine tanking 5-B hits from Nifty but the wayyyyy weaker fall somehow dissembled her?
That's most verses, and is an anti-feat they'd be at anyways. Plus, Husk and Cherri weren't majorly harmed by this, and Husk is directly comparable to val.
DB has Ki Control to wave it away, other verses don't usually but their feats outweigh these types of anti-feats, this isn't really the case here.

Small as hell explosions being dangerous to Mario characters consists of a large portion of the anti-feats that downgraded him afterall.
Lute has good odds of not scaling anyways.
She would? Exorcists in general have a whole episode around how they're invincible to everyone in Hell (Including chum Overlords) and since it's been ruled as a durability thing, and Lute legit just yanked Vaggie's wings from her back, ya know?
So a 9-C anti-feat?
You need to be like 9-A to be fully bulletproof last I checked and Husk downscales from the 9-A Vox, sooo

It also doesn't really matter? I should know, I tried to upgrade some 8-C characters to Low 5-B and was met with them being threatened by bullets and how it's just faaaaar more believable for characters still within those Tier 9-8 ranges to be threatened by bullets. But Tier 5? What are you on lol
 
I'm noticing a suspiciously high amount of anti-feats for anything above 9-C from you, Eden...
Almost like when you rate a verse above like tier 8 anti-feats pile on a ton and the only reason most verses get above that is because people just go "Nope, not gonna deal with it."
 
Huh, mb I thought that was still in debate.
Though Lute ripping Vaggie's wings doesn't really say anything because it's more of an LS thing and Vaggie doesn't have any feats over any overlord (if anything she gets whooped by a barely trying Carmilla).
She counts as an Exorcist and Lute does make her bleed during their fight in S1 so no way she's just a stone wall.
Almost like when you rate a verse above like tier 8 anti-feats pile on a ton and the only reason most verses get above that is because people just go "Nope, not gonna deal with it."
I mean, no one wants to ignore feats, I mean, why would we? They happened afterall.
But still, it gets to a point, these guys' 5-B doesn't come from their own feat, but downscaling from the absolute #1 God Tier of the verse, and have nothing in Tier 6, or Tier 7 or even Tier 8 to support it at all. Hell, they have a dozen or so times where they get threatened by Tier 9 stuff.

There's a reason that Mario ain't 4-C or 3-C or Low 2-C despite the fact he has a very legit feat in each of those Tiers.
 
That, doesn't change anything? You think she'd be fine tanking 5-B hits from Nifty but the wayyyyy weaker fall somehow dissembled her.
Make a downgrade to 9-C and then start talking
DB has Ki Control to wave it away, other verses don't usually but their feats outweigh these types of anti-feats, this isn't really the case here.
See above
Small as hell explosions being dangerous to Mario characters consists of a large portion of the anti-feats that downgraded him afterall.
And he's tier 6 instead of tier 3 where he only had one accepted feat in the area ain't he?
You need to be like 9-A to be fully bulletproof last I checked and Husk downscales from the 9-A Vox, sooo
You need to be like in the low megajoules range for rifle rounds to stop mattering, and those ain't firing .50 BMGs. So again, downgrade them below accepted imp feats or don't bring it up.
It also doesn't really matter? I should know, I tried to upgrade some 8-C characters to Low 5-B and was met with them being threatened by bullets and how it's just faaaaar more believable for characters still within those Tier 9-8 ranges to be threatened by bullets, but Tier 5? What are you on lol
Then those guys were smoking crack. If you shoot an 8-C with any caliber below shoulder fire artillery it won't even scratch them, and even then that's not gonna do much.
 
The funny thing about all of this is I am completely fine with the upgrade not going through, I just don't want 9-C stuff to be used in an attempt to argue against it when Overlords and Overlord tiers frequently and effortlessly do things like obliterating 9-Bs and whatnot.
 
And he's tier 6 instead of tier 3 where he only had one accepted feat in the area ain't he?
No? He has 3 High 6-A feats, and 4 other ones within Tier 6 and a dozen or so supporting Tier 7 ones?
Why do you think he's not Low 2-C despite tanking a universe bust?

HH? A 5-B and High 6-A feats by the undisputed #1 of the verse, two 8-A ones for the #2/3 of the verse and a 8-B one for Shok.wav.
None of the Overlord guys scale to anything here, so we just got upscaling from 9-B Sinners/Imps and, well that's it.

Hell, I don't think a single one of the Mario anti-feats even reached Tier 6 and like, only 2 or 3 were Tier 7 lol
You need to be like in the low megajoules range for rifle rounds to stop mattering, and those ain't firing .50 BMGs. So again, downgrade them below accepted imp feats or don't bring it up.

Then those guys were smoking crack. If you shoot an 8-C with any caliber below shoulder fire artillery it won't even scratch them, and even then that's not gonna do much.
Tier 9-8 are still kinda street tier ya know, Spiderman or whatever.
Highest I've seen bullets go is Danganronpa where they can scratch Low 7-Cs, but that's Danganronpa.
 
Almost like when you rate a verse above like tier 8 anti-feats pile on a ton and the only reason most verses get above that is because people just go "Nope, not gonna deal with it."
Sweating bullets looking at the rising amount of anti-feats for Hank J. Wimbleton and his potential High 8-C rating.

I personally don’t agree with the tier 5 overlords thing. The very blast they’d be scaling to was the thing that carmine said would wipe them all out.
 
Sweating bullets looking at the rising amount of anti-feats for Hank J. Wimbleton and his potential High 8-C rating.

I personally don’t agree with the tier 5 overlords thing. The very blast they’d be scaling to was the thing that carmine said would wipe them all out.
It had Angelic power, that shit negates your durability entirely
 
I personally don’t agree with the tier 5 overlords thing. The very blast they’d be scaling to was the thing that carmine said would wipe them all out.
Tbf they'd only be ~1/14th of the actual yield.
Though the statement in itself is kind of an anti-feat as the maker of the weapon straight up says it'll only wipe out half of the city.
 
No? He has 3 High 6-A feats, and 4 other ones within Tier 6 and a dozen or so supporting Tier 7 ones?
Why do you think he's not Low 2-C despite tanking a universe bust?
Because AKM didn't like any of the seven tier 2 feats so argued tooth and nail with dogshit arguments against it?

Sorry, did I say the quiet part out loud?
HH? A 5-B and High 6-A feats by the undisputed #1 of the verse, two 8-A ones for the #2/3 of the verse and a 8-B one for Shok.wav.
None of the Overlord guys scale to anything here, so we just got upscaling from 9-B Sinners/Imps and, well that's it.
A low 7-C feat from Alastor and both Weakened Al and Vox throwing eachother around for 9-A to High 8-C stuff. Also the 8-A feat was effortless.
Tier 9-8 are still kinda street tier ya know, Spiderman or whatever.
Highest I've seen bullets go is Danganronpa where they can scratch Low 7-Cs, but that's Danganronpa.
Bullets do things to Bayverse transformers regularly.
Sweating bullets looking at the rising amount of anti-feats for Hank J. Wimbleton and his potential High 8-C rating.

I personally don’t agree with the tier 5 overlords thing. The very blast they’d be scaling to was the thing that carmine said would wipe them all out.
Why do you think the absolute highest they'd be scaling to is 1/14th of the value?

And the other scaling is like 1/1800th or some shit?
 
I'm gonna be FR, of the people who actually scale, what anti-feats are there? Cause non-magic users do not scale whatsoever. You won't be seeing 5-B Angel Dust.
Cherri, who drew blood from Valentino, which the former got overpowered by Angel Dust, who overpowered Sir Pentious, who dealt with attacks from Cherri.
 
Cherri, who drew blood from Valentino, which the former got overpowered by Angel Dust, who overpowered Sir Pentious, who dealt with attacks from Cherri.
And, remind me, who throws around Angel Dust like a wet paper bag and grossly overpowers him regularly? And who did the same thing except very explicitly shown?
 
Also when I was talking about arguments, I didn't mean anti-feats, I meant reasons to argue why Lucifer wasn't actually at full-power when the explosions was happening.
 
And, remind me, who throws around Angel Dust like a wet paper bag and grossly overpowers him regularly? And who did the same thing except very explicitly shown?
You do realize I mentioned that right? Not to mention we don't see Angel Dust actually attempting to fight back, it doesn't mean he's entirely incapable of actually harming him, it's not like we didn't see Angel Dust being slapped by him.
 
I mean, the feat was that they contained the explosion with a shield, right? Why wouldn’t their forcefield creation scale to it? They scale to their usually tier 8 shit and then they’re tier 5 with forcefields.
 
Because AKM didn't like any of the seven tier 2 feats so argued tooth and nail with dogshit arguments against it?

Sorry, did I say the quiet part out loud?
Think that was before the anti-feat stuff happened? I don't recall anyone bringing any Tier 2 feats consistency stuff in that thread.
It definitely aligns with what I've seen from AKM tho
A low 7-C feat from Alastor
Strongest Sinner Alastor, guy is like on a tier of his own
both Weakened Al and Vox throwing eachother around for 9-A to High 8-C stuff.
Vox was also the strongest Sinner there so still there's no scaling to anyone also I tried to calc a few of those, I don't think any reach High 8-C
Unless we try to scale everyone to Weakened Alastor losing on purpose, which is far-fetched to say the least.
Bullets do things to Bayverse transformers regularly.
Low 7-B then is the max now, not a big change? Also how they're giant robots
Why do you think the absolute highest they'd be scaling to is 1/14th of the value?

And the other scaling is like 1/1800th or some shit?
Regular sinners are going to be over a million times weaker or something lol
 
From what I'm seeing, the only characters who don't have anti-feats for these are Alastor, Emily, Charlie, Vox, Rosie, Carmilla and Zestial.

I left out the useless overlords and the people who indirectly scale to it (minus Vox because he's just him.)
 
I mean, the feat was that they contained the explosion with a shield, right? Why wouldn’t their forcefield creation scale to it? They scale to their usually tier 8 shit and then they’re tier 5 with forcefields.
Adam upscale
I like the song amp more, there's even WoG about it.
 
Also when I was talking about arguments, I didn't mean anti-feats, I meant reasons to argue why Lucifer wasn't actually at full-power when the explosions was happening.
The fact he was panting like a dog when Hear My Hope started?
I mean, the feat was that they contained the explosion with a shield, right? Why wouldn’t their forcefield creation scale to it? They scale to their usually tier 8 shit and then they’re tier 5 with forcefields.
If that's what accepted sure
Think that was before the anti-feat stuff happened? I don't recall anyone bringing any Tier 2 feats consistency stuff in that thread.
It definitely aligns with what I've seen from AKM tho
Before, yeah. I still think it applies since 7 feats in the same tier and whatnot.
Strongest Sinner Alastor, guy is like on a tier of his own

Vox was also the strongest Sinner there so still there's no scaling to anyone also I tried to calc a few of those, I don't think any reach High 8-C
Unless we try to scale everyone to Weakened Alastor losing on purpose, which is far-fetched to say the least.
They drew blood from him with electricity.
Low 7-B then is the max now, not a big change? Also how they're giant robots

Regular sinners are going to be over a million times weaker or something lol
Regular sinners, you mean the ones Vox effortlessly reduces to unrecognizable gore?
You do realize I mentioned that right? Not to mention we don't see Angel Dust actually attempting to fight back, it doesn't mean he's entirely incapable of actually harming him, it's not like we didn't see Angel Dust being slapped by him.
sigh...

gasp!

Is that Vox throwing Angel around and restraining him with no effort whatsoever?! Nooooo, it couldn't be!
 
I mean, the feat was that they contained the explosion with a shield, right? Why wouldn’t their forcefield creation scale to it? They scale to their usually tier 8 shit and then they’re tier 5 with forcefields.
Well Adam broke Alastor's forcefield in season 1, and FP Charlie blocked his punch, so these two would scale anyway.
 
Reaper, watch that scene and tell me when in the whole fight did Angel Dust get a chance to punch Vox? Oh wait, he didn't, because looking at him would leave him open to hypnosis and he's being restrained by all of Vox's tentacles and being electrocuted.
 
They drew blood from him with electricity.
Electricity still ignores durability to an extent due to the way it functions, so using it as the basis for scaling is ehhh

The whole thing is even more dubious when you remember he wasn't even in his demon form against them.
Regular sinners, you mean the ones Vox effortlessly reduces to unrecognizable gore?
Why we acting like he couldn't do the same if they were 9-B and he was 9-A lol
 
Reaper, watch that scene and tell me when in the whole fight did Angel Dust get a chance to punch Vox? Oh wait, he didn't, because looking at him would leave him open to hypnosis and he's being restrained by all of Vox's tentacles and being electrocuted.
Mythic, that's the ******* point. He even tried to pull out one of his guns and got denied. Remind me what Inverse Square Law is.

Seriously. Think before you type. If Sir Pentious being restrained is reason enough for upscaling Angel from him, and Cherri being strangled is reason for Angel to upscale from her, what is this?
 
We have several scenes of regular sinners getting one-shot just by being close to two overlords fighting, and I doubt Cherri or Angel are that much stronger.
This is just referring to the two Vox vs. Alastor fights, right? These two ain't your standard overlords, like they're straight up just the strongest lol
 
Show me Vox>Carmilla or Zestial before 100% ratings.
how-powerful-do-you-think-vox-is-v0-4m1fkdfzg31e1.jpeg

Fact Alastor though 50s Vox was climbing to his level, ya know
 
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