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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Rodriiogo said:
Yea.. after enhancing them, they go from low tier curses as he says to beating grade 1s at Choso's level and yes Grade 1 is a wide range but its quite literally evident that the gap between a special grade and a grade 1 is insane. Saying Choso is near Yuji's level in Shinjuku is just not true man, you are comparing grade 1 level physicals to Yuta / ~<Ryu level physicals, Yuji is gapping so hard.
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So a special grade sorcerer amping dozens of curses to swarm a first grade, doesn't sound like maybe Choso's the upper limits of Grade 1?
I'm not comparing anything in some drastic framing.

Kenjaku amped dozens of curses with his energy to swarm Choso, he survived it and he ended up getting back up from it and then continued fighting more.
Then everyone gets even stronger in the time skip and Sukuna is surprised by how strong they've all become, not just Yuta and Yuji.
But you think Choso can't possibly be on their level?

And someone brought it up before, but Choso literally stops a BF with his blood armor. That's him amping his blood with his ce. Or the fact Choso's blood lasted long enough to protect Yuji from the fire arrow? Granted he probably ended up using a bv.

Also
EldemadeDityjon said:
😭😭😭😭
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Instinctive RCT 🙏
 
Axxtentacle said:
These are impacts.
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Might just be me tripping then, tho you also have Yuji's final black flash on ISBODK Mahito making blood come from mahito's chest.

Axxtentacle said:
Trying to kill someone =/= not holding back. He literally tries to kill Ryu with his first attack and is holding back. We KNOW for a FACT he doesn't try unless he's interested. Him being stressed doesn't change that.
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Thing is Sukuna was not holding back cleave at all, he was always adjusting it to the point it ripped through his body. Sukuna was holding back against everyone but he'd immediatly try to finish yuji off BECAUSE hes boring so keeping him alive is worthless. Sukuna is not holding back in Ch.257 at all additionally, the "Sukuna has yet to go all out" statement was back in 252. Here he had no reason or proof that hes holding back, especially since, regardless if you think hes right or not, Yuji in his eyes was getting to his level and that's actually be a threat. He is not holding back here, hes just weakened as hes always been while Yuji is stacking black flashes amps to increase output so hes not only doing way more damage, but also protecting himself from damage via CE. Normally that cleave would rip Yuji's head off, not simply his eye, it didnt because of that. Sukuna's strikes and attacks were no longer able to stop/cut through him so Yuji kept rushing in and still not being fazed.

Yuta literally says that at first, going in close combat against Sukuna would be fatal, even for him. Yuji very clearly grew bc of stacking black flash amps.
 
Arkenis said:
So a special grade sorcerer amping dozens of curses to swarm a first grade, doesn't sound like maybe Choso's the upper limits of Grade 1?
I'm not comparing anything in some drastic framing.
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Amping dozens of low tier curses, like, no, Kenjaku amping a random grade 3 curse to grade 1 sorcerer level doesnt mean Choso is that much stronger, however, I wont deny that choso is high into grade 1, but no matter how u slice it, the gap between even the upper limit of a grade 1 and a special grade is MASSIVE. Kukusabe is the strongest grade 1 and he'd prob be low diff'd by any special grade.

Arkenis said:
Kenjaku amped dozens of curses with his energy to swarm Choso, he survived it and he ended up getting back up from it and then continued fighting more.
Then everyone gets even stronger in the time skip and Sukuna is surprised by how strong they've all become, not just Yuta and Yuji.
But you think Choso can't possibly be on their level?
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Sukuna says the same thing about Hiruguma and Kukusabe.. who are grade 1s and confirm a single point blank dismantle would send them to meet Gojo, meanwhile Yuta and Yuji were tanking dismantles waves without fatal damages and the Yuji we are talking about tanks a cleave to the face. So no I dont think choso is on yuta and yuji's level just because he got stronger.

Arkenis said:
And someone brought it up before, but Choso literally stops a BF with his blood armor. That's him amping his blood with his ce. Or the fact Choso's blood lasted long enough to protect Yuji from the fire arrow? Granted he probably ended up using a bv.
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That someone was me ✌️
I do agree choso is very strong by that point but comparing him to Yuji is devious.
Hardened blood in shibuya was weaker than ISBODK Mahito's body and Yuji's black flash pierced through it.
Choso got stronger but unless you think Yuji grew at a SLOWER PACE THAN CHOSO then Yuji is not below him in any way, specially without hardened blood.

Hardened blood's block on Sukuna's Black Flash is impressive but even maki's raw physicals made her took less damage btw. Choso was almost killed, he simply reduced the damage from the black flash enough to not kill him. (Granted, still impressive, but not enough to call him Yuta/Yuji level overall)
 
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Random, unrelated question, why is Jogo's hypersonic+ attack speed just a "possibly" in his page when its a direct on screen accepted feat
 
Rodriiogo said:
Hes def weaker yea but he was not that weakened by this point
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pummelled by soul punches, missing a heart and his soul is cut, hit by Jacob's ladder, missing 2 hands, no tongue, heavily injured, still suffering brain damage and output loss from the Gojo fight
"nah he fine"
Rodriiogo said:
Even after Sukuna uses domain its said his CE level is on par with Yuta's when Yuta in Gojo's body shows up
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i mean that's just how efficient Sukuna is, its not really a metric of how nerfed he was
Rodriiogo said:
his output is def weaker yes but to say hes gazillions of times weaker is false
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i OBVIOUSLY didnt mean it literally, but he is much weaker
Rodriiogo said:
Its literally said that IF yuji hadnt done all those black flashes, sukuna would have enough output for rct even
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RCT output is clearly shown to be different from the regular output
EldemadeDityjon said:
Yuta is a fraud @Mommyleona can vouch for it
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yuta downscale is a hakari downscale dont forget
 
Buraqibear said:
I believe it's because Jogo's attack speed being that much higher than Piercing Blood was sussy to the mods.
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Doesn't piercing blood's speed vary? The "exceed the speed of sound" statement is a baseline, pretty sure there's even a direct statement saying that the greater the pressure from convergence is, the greater the speed and strength will be, there's really no limit to how fast it can be, it just depends how much pressure you can put via convergence

The "mach 1" ("exceed speed of sound") statement is just for a base piercing blood, choso's is 100% faster than that baseline considering kano is surprised by how powerful choso's is even in shibuya, and yuji says he has a 50% chance of dodging CHOSO's piercing blood. Same yuji should be as fast as Nanami (or around that level), but still slower than 1 arm naobito who still got hit by jogo's attacks
 
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Rodriiogo said:
Doesn't piercing blood's speed vary? The "exceed the speed of sound" statement is a baseline no, pretty sure there's even a direct statement saying that the greater the pressure from convergence is, the greater the speed and strength will be
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Sure up to greater supersonic (Highest calced speed for it is Mach 2.593, which is and below Mach 3 Naoya so consistent and faaaar below Jogo's potential attack speed), not getting anywhere near the hypersonic ranges
Rodriiogo said:
The "mach 1" ("exceed speed of sound") statement is just for a base piercing blood, choso's is prob faster than that baseline considering kano is surprised by how powerful choso's is even in shibuya, and yuji says he has a 50% chance of dodging CHOSO's piercing blood. Same yuji should be as fast as Nanami (or around that level), but still slower than 1 armed naobito who was getting hit by jogo's attacks
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only Choso has the impressive speed showings with piercing blood, ofc Kamo's impressed
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
Sure up to greater supersonic (Highest calced speed for it is Mach 2.593, which is and below Mach 3 Naoya so consistent and faaaar below Jogo's potential attack speed), not getting anywhere near the hypersonic ranges
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Not what is said in it's definition, I'm not saying we should upgrade choso's piercing blood speed in the page itself but ignoring a direct feat BECAUSE of it is dumb, it doesn't have better feats yes, but nothing caps it at X speed
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Anonymous_Learner said:
only Choso has the impressive speed showings with piercing blood, ofc Kamo's impressed
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Even Kamo can release piercing blood at "supersonic speeds". EVERYONE that has piercing blood can, the supersonic is the literal BASELINE for it's speed as it is part of the technique itself to release it at those speeds, Choso's is FASTER than that baseline since he's one of the best users of it due to how much pressure is exerted by his Convergence
 
Mommyleona said:
funny how people have problem with this particular statement and not the transonic one right before that about Cursed Womb Naoya, who also was blitzing Maki
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Isn't the statement just "surpassing subsonic speeds" which isn't really a direct cap, still funny tho yea

I can't be talking tbf, I disagree with both statements capping the speed
 
Season 2 removed tons of dialogues from the narrator. I don't doubt that it will remove the Mach 3 one

Either way, you guys are not scaping the cap. The cap shall be eternal. The cap shall be infinite as the flesh desires of a rat
 
I just wanted to ask again, but is Sukuna Weakened's electromagnetic wave evasion being rejected because it's an Aim Dodge or for some other reason?
 
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