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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Ace was prior to his training when he fought jinbe
Akainu block is an outlier he got impaled right after plus jinbe fought so many weaker characters and got injured by them that it breaks scaling, same for whoever else
Law was a formidable pirate on the level of warlords as well, including Crocodile, and they don't scale to top tiers
Akainu block is an outlier he got impaled right after plus jinbe fought so many weaker characters and got injured by them that it breaks scaling, same for whoever else
Law was a formidable pirate on the level of warlords as well, including Crocodile, and they don't scale to top tiers
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Okay ace situation makes sense. As for akainu, wasn’t jinbe blocking with water so his hand wouldn’t get burned as bad? I feel like I remember seeing that, and I can’t think of much character jinbe has actually fought besides who’s who which ig I can see the argument for. Yeah I was lowkey reaching with the warlord argument, just seen some of the justifications for boa.
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He did, and akainu burned through it and still hurt him.
Weaker than katakuri
He got hurt by beginning of timeskip fishman island Luffy in gear 2nd
Who's-Who like you said
Failed to efficiently one shot wadatsumi which a top tier would do
I'm not a fan of it for boa don't worry
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Wait vsbw seriously has Monster Point Chopper over Jinbe?
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Wow, this got me to check the profiles and apparently someone vandalized the hell out of Chopper's profile.
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He might have been onto something with high galaxy speed though
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"Might"
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If there its one things that we would seriously need to revisit when we finally get the new acceptable calcs its the current Scaling.
Chopper its probably the bigger offender here but there its also other examples.
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Yeah it still hurt him but not to the degree that it normally would and he still stopped the punch, but ye the showings in fisherman island kinda go against that same with being weaker than kat. Guess my head canon will have to stay head canon for now.
He did, and akainu burned through it and still hurt him.
Weaker than katakuri
He got hurt by beginning of timeskip fishman island Luffy in gear 2nd
Who's-Who like you said
Failed to efficiently one shot wadatsumi which a top tier would do
I'm not a fan of it for boa don't worry
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Hello everybody.
Should we restore this revision? And should it say "higher" or "far higher" in that case?
Should we restore this revision? And should it say "higher" or "far higher" in that case?
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The revision (in the stats section) should stay reverted.Hello everybody.
Should we restore this revision? And should it say "higher" or "far higher" in that case?
The revision (in the notable attacks section) should change to what Jropzone1 changed it to.
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Come on bro... It's legit 2026, Jinbe 1000% in some type of way scales to the God tiers...
He both outpaced him and overpowered his arm haki, the same one Gear 4th Snakeman couldn't escape
Didn't even use haki and lowered his guard, otherwise we can do the same with Garp and so many more characters
Haven't really seen that fight... I'll look into it now...
So basically... Jinbe is stalling who's who the entire fight, not even using arm haki in the beginning... Then after Who's who starts fully trying... Jinbe then easily defends Who's who attack, making him having to go all out to be able to start damaging him
After that we see Jinbe a little more serious easily defend against an even stronger attack than before and easily overpower him, still being able to stall him with arm haki
After that, Who's who uses finger pistol which seems to take Jinbe a little off guard as he doesn't fully see it coming, getting stabbed in his stomach area and weakening a bit... Having to start using more of his Haki against the finger pistols and starts getting serious to which Who's who attacks completely gets tanked, after getting serious... Who's who attacks no matter what he tries can't even scratch Jinbe which then Jinbe easily one shots him
Like come on now...
Didn't even use Haki and easily blocked and overpowered his hits...
”Still hurt him”... Like he didn't still stop the force and defended against the attack, getting hurt just means Akainu has superior Arm Haki... That's all
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It can be 2040 if we're using 2010 versions we use 2010 feats
You can't read. In the same page you sent he said moisture lets mochi become less sticky. It is not overpowering.
Haki does not take you from 6-C to 6-A
Jinbe and Who's Who both confirmed that his rokushiki would cut through his armament haki.
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He didn't overpower his Armament Haki. Katakuri's arm didn't even budge from Jinbe's attack; what he did was add enough moisture that allowed Luffy to be knocked loose of the sticky mochi.
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by using Haki... If you use DF and Haki, it will work the same as before unless you have higher arm haki
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whatWhy not... It definitely can... And it's not only his Haki, it's when he actually start fighting seriously
Read the whole post... Wasn't finished
Calling all of Jinbes God tier scalings (Big mom sword block, big mom getting pushed away, stopping big mom attack in wano, blocking akainu attack in marineford, stated to be a very valuable addition to the crew) outliers based on those 4 reasons is absolutely bs
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There's no indication that Jinbe infused Haki into the tea he shot at Luffy & Katakuri's arm.
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This is not true.
Greater haki stops other haki abilities from working.
Him getting wet is not a haki ability.
You're acting like the year matters when we're talking about 15 year old scaling...
No, it can not, and that's a cop out
When his actual scaling has him far weaker.
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... The indication being that Katakuri's mochi wasn't sticky anymore
It is literally true... His DF losing it's stickyness from moisture while still having Haki infused means Jinbe's Haki was higher than Katakuris, where the moisture was still able to affect his DF
Cutting attacks affects Luffy's stretchiness, Luffy infusing both Haki and stretchiness makes it so that he's still able to be stretchy
Yes it does because we have all ready talked about it so much and every point of the ”anti feats” has gotten refuted many times
.... ”No, it can not” (such a good argument) while there's Chopper capable of doing it because of his DF, same with Daz bones, same with Bonney (I guess Bonney isn't that big of a jump but still) and more...
Haki > Dfs
Prove that.. Otherwise no. His actual scaling of when he's serious and is trying, is him being a God tier
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Because Haki makes you keep your attributes, and also your weaknesses. Luffy is still stretchy but he can still be pierced by sharp things without haki. Katakuri is still sticky but he can be washed by things without haki.
"Haki won't do it"
"Here's someone with a devil fruit transformation"
You're just yapping.
Bonney's is a transformation and Daz is the same tier.
Pure yapHaki > Dfs
And struggles with luffy
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Just not true and made no sense... Haki keeps your attributes as you said... Yes, the only ”weakness” they then have with their ability is if someone else overpowers their Haki first and then affects their ability, otherwise they aren't still ”keeping their attributes”
And you aren't refuting anything... Jinbe's God tiers feats still exists and your reasoning for being outliers are bs and refuted
Daz is higher than Mihawks cutting attacks, there's more DF users that can jump very high but as you said it doesn't really matter (tho Haki > Df still
)Pure truth.
You're legit capping and have not even tried to refute what I said... Tell that to every God Tier in Marineford who struggled to take out PRE TIMESKIP LUFFY
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Okay **** everything else
And can Luffy not be harmed by piercing objects that don't have haki?
Is Luffy not stretchy when he applies haki on himself?
And can Luffy not be harmed by piercing objects that don't have haki?
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Luffy is stretchy when combining stretchyness (Gear 4 being in a constant stretchyness state) and Armament Haki (Or like red hawk, where he's stretching ability gets infused with Armament)... Where then cutting attacks will get repelled the same as before (Blunt attacks, being both hardend and still elastic)
No... Unless they first are able to overcome the Haki itself... With one being Haki superiority another being be overusing Haki to the point of deactivation
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Hody Jones without a lick of haki bit through Luffy's armament haki and took a chunk out of Luffy.
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ok..? That literally has nothing to do with what I said?
Or even what we're talking about...
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So you can be affected by shit past armament haki.
Without armament haki.
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Are you willing to handle it please? The current statistics for Garp intuitively seem self-contradictory to me.
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Yeah gimme a minuteAre you willing to handle it please? The current statistics for Garp intuitively seem self-contradictory to me.
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no... What you're saying has absolutely no correlation at all
First of all Luffy didn't even use Armament Haki.. So no Hody didn't ”bite through Luffy's haki”
He only says that his Haki isn't as good as against consistent very sharp piercing attacks than against blows, that's his own issue with his Haki usage... Nothing to do with him combining his Haki and Df
You and I both know that Luffy is inverse immune to blunt attacks based on him simply stretching/nullifying the attack potency, the same happens to Luffy's armament Haki when he combines them both
Making the attack both hardend and stretching.... Nullifying the potency as it would do when blunt attacks hit Luffy's rubber body...
There's then no correlation with Luffy having a harder time defending against very potent and sharp attacks with his Haki compared to blows/blunt ones (2 different utlization of arm Haki)
By that; no whenever combining his Df and Haki, they only way then would be;
Since the Haki usage has now both properties of hardening and elasticity, same would be for Katakuri's Haki usage of combining hardening and Stickyness/softness
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You grabbed a scan of him saying that his armament isn't good enough to say he didn't use it and built your point off of itno... What you're saying has absolutely no correlation at all
First of all Luffy didn't even use Armament Haki.. So no Hody didn't ”bite through Luffy's haki”
He only says that his Haki isn't as good as against consistent very sharp piercing attacks than against blows, that's his own issue with his Haki usage... Nothing to do with him combining his Haki and Df
You and I both know that Luffy is inverse immune to blunt attacks based on him simply stretching/nullifying the attack potency, the same happens to Luffy's armament Haki when he combines them both
Making the attack both hardend and stretching.... Nullifying the potency as it would do when blunt attacks hit Luffy's rubber body...
There's then no correlation with Luffy having a harder time defending against very potent and sharp attacks with his Haki compared to blows/blunt ones (2 different utlization of arm Haki)
You're out of your mind.
Stickyness/softness, which is still mitigated by?????
Water.
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no... He literality isn't shown using it... We literally get a full clear shot of Hody bitting Luffy... Yet there's no hardening
The scan for him ssaying he isn't going good enough is to tell you that it's his own armament haki issue having a harder time against potent and sharp attacks that are continously piercing him... It's a simple potency issue and has no correlation with the properties of Haki and Dfs combining
Literally says it... Idk what you trying to say
You're out of your eyes
, must have been affected by Luffy's Nika powers or something By water when there's no Haki since it's also HARDENDED, Haki hardening would first need to be overpowered (and since it's also soft... The potences gets nullified, making you have to either have higher lvls of Haki or make them exhaust their Haki)
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You do realize busoshoku can be invisible correct?
Never says it at all. He literally said "hey you can beat katakuri's ability with moisture" and you took it as overpowering when jinbe didn't even move his arm at allLiterally says it... Idk what you trying to say
You're out of your eyes
No, it would not.
Nothing says that haki needs to be overpowered to affect a devil fruit user through their weakness.
Crocodile can't fullbody haki himself then go shower. That is entirely your headcanon that isn't proven
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Sure.. But we literally see Luffy use the more potent hardening every time he faces against attacks like that...
What...? It says it here is what I meant
Otherwise what Jinbe said is factually correct when speaking solely on his paramecia powers and not Katakuri's usage of Haki and Df
It simply isn't my headcanon as it's shown with Luffy and is stated, with katakuri also being similar to Luffy's power....
Bringing up a Logia ability is different since yes we know nothing about how that would even work, I don't even think we have seen a Logia user show hardening whenever they use Haki... You keep bringing up these comparisons and correlations that are just not the same thing or we don't have any information on to justify you're reason to go against something that is both shown and stated
Crocodile also wasn't affected by the fluidity of magma... Which can be considered more evidence against your claim
Luffy, who fused the power of his armament color and rubber, made his armament color, which is normally hardened, more elastic. If an attack is made by an armament color lower than Luffy's, it will repel the attack as before.
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Jinbe used water to free Luffy not raw strength, also that wasn't even the same techinque and Katakuri has yet to going all out.
Also Jinbe outpacing Katakuri? The same Jinbe who couldn't intercept and stop Katakuri despite be in front of him?
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Future sight exists...
I'm not saying raw strength (he would then be hurting even Luffy)... I'm saying Jinbe has higher arm haki levels to both Snakeman and Katakuri, as he was able to affect his devil fruit ability even tho he guarded it with Haki
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Like, I'm the #1 Jinbe fan and even I ain't saying this shit.
