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Honkai Cosmology Rework

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You cant be telling that when u have Otto apocalypse outright looking at teyvat trough imaginary tree please
yeah that actually strengthens what i said, what otto saw was the planet of the dragons, while what i was talking about was the entire universe where the planet was located, so there is an indication that the real universe described in genshin is the entire hoyoverse cosmology not just the leaves, then i also said all of this is not clear, so we can't arbitrarily say that genshin leaves are the size of the universe, because it could be that the setting of the genshin universe is the entire hoyoverse cosmology itself.
 
Why do you keep doing this?? You didn’t explain the context in either of those arguments; you’re just explaining the OP again, which is not what I’m asking.

Is it possible that you don’t actually know the context of the scans you’re using lmao???
If you won't take my word for it then explain why it's out of context yourself, I already explained the context with scans linked like fr bro
 
yeah that actually strengthens what i said, what otto saw was the planet of the dragons, while what i was talking about was the entire universe where the planet was located, so there is an indication that the real universe described in genshin is the entire hoyoverse cosmology not just the leaves, then i also said all of this is not clear, so we can't arbitrarily say that genshin leaves are the size of the universe, because it could be that the setting of the genshin universe is the entire hoyoverse cosmology itself.
Planet of dragons when it literally shows dvalin please watch this video

you literally see dvalin here, and yes second key can look into entire leaf worlds which includes genshin one. i wont comment much on this anymore but if you want to make sure genshin is separate from this you would need a proof, simply using different terminologies is not even an argment for that wth
 
Dear lord almighty
I hope you realize with the Low 1-C thread and you disagreed with my 1-C means you're ruining the entire scaling nova i hope you understand that you will never be able to apply the profiles without having insert this random ass character to be ********+29#(29#(29#((2+#92? #(29#92(#92! #(2(#(2(#(#(#(#(#8#8#((#(#(#(#! # LOW 1-C!!! WOW DURANDAL AS THE STRONGEST S-RANK VALKYRIE IS COMPARABLE TO AEONS IN HER SECOND KEY?!?! WHAT?!?!?! HER FIRST KEY IS LEGIT COMPARABLE TO THE AEONS
 
I hope you realize with the Low 1-C thread and you disagreed with my 1-C means you're ruining the entire scaling nova i hope you understand that you will never be able to apply the profiles without having insert this random ass character to be ********+29#(29#(29#((2+#92? #(29#92(#92! #(2(#(2(#(#(#(#(#8#8#((#(#(#(#! # LOW 1-C!!! WOW DURANDAL AS THE STRONGEST S-RANK VALKYRIE IS COMPARABLE TO AEONS IN HER SECOND KEY?!?! WHAT?!?!?! HER FIRST KEY IS LEGIT COMPARABLE TO THE AEONS
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@Super_Nova

What I'm trying to say is that the ‘Honkai’ phenomenon occurs because trees and the sea are in a competitive relationship.

And IT is the overarching tree encompassing both the HSR and HI3 worlds. Furthermore, as you can see from the YouTube link above, the temporal backgrounds of HSR and HI3 are similar.

Therefore, couldn't we interpret that the trees and seas in HSR are also in a competitive relationship? After all, there isn't two trees, but one.
 
Planet of dragons when it literally shows dvalin please watch this video

you literally see dvalin here, and yes second key can look into entire leaf worlds which includes genshin one. i wont comment much on this anymore but if you want to make sure genshin is separate from this you would need a proof, simply using different terminologies is not even an argment for that wth

I already told you, I don't dispute that Otto saw the planet of the dragons. He saw a leaf, and he saw a planet, meaning leaf = dragon planet.

I'm talking about the entire universe, not just the planet. The Genshin universe is similar to the HSR, where each star system or other star has its own civilization. Even Octavia has seen thousands of such worlds while exploring the universe.

So, I repeat, we can't say that the Genshin universe = Leaf because there's no specific explanation for this. Therefore, it could be that the Genshin universe = the entire Hoyoverse cosmology itself.
 
so yeah since you guys disagreed with 1-C, the people who has their tier higher than 3-B should be Low 1-C and have them comparable to aeons, this is what were on rn like bro i tried to fix the verse but naaah
 
I already told you, I don't dispute that Otto saw the planet of the dragons. He saw a leaf, and he saw a planet, meaning leaf = dragon planet.

I'm talking about the entire universe, not just the planet. The Genshin universe is similar to the HSR, where each star system or other star has its own civilization. Even Octavia has seen thousands of such worlds while exploring the universe.

So, I repeat, we can't say that the Genshin universe = Leaf because there's no specific explanation for this. Therefore, it could be that the Genshin universe = the entire Hoyoverse cosmology itself.

Do you just not see dvalin or what? can you elaborate what planet of dragons are you talking about bro
 
Do you just not see dvalin or what? can you elaborate what planet of dragons are you talking about bro
Aah, do I need to explain it again?
What Otto saw was only Dvalin, which means he only saw Teyvat, Teyvat = the dragon planet modified by Phanes.

So what Otto saw was only the planet, not the universe as a whole. You just need to reread my previous message so you understand what I mean, friend.
 
@korea1234
Yea that’s how it’s supposed to work lol. Why is this even being debated?
Please explain why, Kid Durandal is scaled on the same tier as the Aeons rn because of this are we serious

HI3 mfs that originally scale from High 1-C / 1-B, and the UES, they all scale to Low 1-C now because of your thread and this thread I made is rejected wym

Just because you didn't agree with 1-C
 
Please explain why, Kid Durandal is scaled on the same tier as the Aeons rn because of this are we serious

HI3 mfs that originally scale from High 1-C / 1-B, and the UES, they all scale to Low 1-C now because of your thread and this thread I made is rejected wym

Just because you didn't agree with 1-C
I don't think the two of them will ever reach an agreement, so I think it would be best to call the staff.
 
Do you just not see dvalin or what? can you elaborate what planet of dragons are you talking about bro
It just classic easter egg, this just similar to wind glider (and himeko piece sword) at herta space station, which theoretically impossible they have it? both game never mention each other beyond this. Like are you really expecting divine key able to observe through the fake sky and where it's literally stated to be "seperated" From the rest of universe?

Beside,
Genshin has no imaginary concept, neither genshin instellar travel even have such concept of "imaginary barrier".

Honkai has no "abyss" Concept where the abyss already cover most place in the universe.

So putting genshin in honkai topic (atleast for now) until it's confirmed inlore game is kinda....

Genshin might be in imaginary tree, but there's possibility it will work like ggz to hi3 ain't they? Where they both have img tree and SoQ but yet have separated contuinity (i dont play ggz so correct me if i am wrong)
 
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It just classic easter egg, this just similar to wind glider (and himeko piece sword) at herta space station, which theoretically impossible they have it? both game never mention each other beyond this. Like are you really expecting divine key able to observe through the fake sky and where it's literally stated to be "seperated" From the rest of universe?

Beside,
Genshin has no imaginary concept, neither genshin instellar travel even have such concept of "imaginary barrier".

Honkai has no "abyss" Concept where the abyss already cover most place in the universe.

So putting genshin in honkai topic (atleast for now) until it's confirmed inlore game is kinda....

Genshin might be in imaginary tree, but there's possibility it will work like ggz to hi3 ain't they? Where they both have img tree and SoQ but yet have separated contuinity
I will respond to this in your dms since i dont wanna derail this with genshin x hoyo cosmology shit but this is genuenly a leap in logic Hi3 doesnt know the 99% of concepts from hsr (literally the only person aware of paths is coralie and vita LMAO) and same goes for hsr.
Oh and btw surtalogi literally travels across universe anyway lol
 
What I'm trying to say is that the ‘Honkai’ phenomenon occurs because trees and the sea are in a competitive relationship.
Am I wrong, or is this just not true? Isn’t this taking the incorrect assumption of characters who didn’t have any real notion of what they’re talking about at face value.

Otto thought the Honkai was a natural phenomenon that he attributed as a pruning mechanism for the IT (which is actually Nous). The Cocoon itself is an artificial creation of a civilisation as far as we know, totally unrelated to anything involving the rivalry between the Tree and Sea. The Honkai not existing in HSR, which is a dubious claim given stuff like Izumo existed, is just because nobody else has replicated that specific phenomenon like the Cocoon did.
 
I will respond to this in your dms since i dont wanna derail this with genshin x hoyo cosmology shit but this is genuenly a leap in logic Hi3 doesnt know the 99% of concepts from hsr (literally the only person aware of paths is coralie and vita LMAO) and same goes for hsr.
Oh and btw surtalogi literally travels across universe anyway lol
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I am talking about concept not term, voyager, nibelung and surtalogi just ouright proofing there is no imaginary barrier in genshin, or perhaps they just powerful enough to break through it physically
 
so yeah since you guys disagreed with 1-C, the people who has their tier higher than 3-B should be Low 1-C and have them comparable to aeons, this is what were on rn like bro i tried to fix the verse but naaah
"fixing the verse"
 
Am I wrong, or is this just not true? Isn’t this taking the incorrect assumption of characters who didn’t have any real notion of what they’re talking about at face value.

Otto thought the Honkai was a natural phenomenon that he attributed as a pruning mechanism for the IT (which is actually Nous). The Cocoon itself is an artificial creation of a civilisation as far as we know, totally unrelated to anything involving the rivalry between the Tree and Sea. The Honkai not existing in HSR, which is a dubious claim given stuff like Izumo existed, is just because nobody else has replicated that specific phenomenon like the Cocoon did.
Would you provide evidence that the competition between trees and the sea does not cause the ‘Honkai’ phenomenon?
As far as I know, Otto is one of the smarter characters, so I don't see him as lacking credibility.
 
I mean, hey, at bare minimum it should be 5-D since it encompasses infinite amount of Bubble Worlds but yeah I personally think it is still 11-D regardless of what has happened
I don't think we can scale smth to 5-D via containing an infinite 4-D thing
 
Would you provide evidence that the competition between trees and the sea does not cause the ‘Honkai’ phenomenon?
As far as I know, Otto is one of the smarter characters, so I don't see him as lacking credibility.
What evidence supports it? Otto’s knowledge of the Honkai isn’t perfect, and is largely built on the understanding of the PE, as far as I know he never directly equates the Honkai as anything more than the Tree’s way to get rid of dead weight which we know is categorically false.

We have MEI coming to the conclusion the Cocoon has nothing to do with anything regarding the Sea and Tree, and even the Cocoon’s own goal has nothing to do with the Sea and Tree.
 
Oh, so we goes with the path of IT > SoQ, interesting, if that is the case, then IT will be Low Complex Multiverse while SoQ goes down to Low 2-C, which perfectly fit the VN statement about it only have 4 infinite dimensions and IT being higher-dimensional compare to 4D space-time

Aeons who reside in the Path Space as explained in Khaslana's section have to descend to the physical plane, where it's explained in the Simulated Universe and even Mare's statement that well, Aeons in the physical plane are simply projections of them from the Path Space which is why Irontomb's destruction of the cosmos, or the entire physical plane of the Tree is unable to affect other Aeons + Nanook still had other 6 Lord Ravagers to kill other Aeons for a reason.
1. Nothing here stated Aeons have to descend to physical plane, the text simply say the arbiter had descend onto physical plane,

2. The projection scan is fine, but the physical plane is only 4D, so it just help the 5D argument

This scan?. Oke so what is the "reality" in this context? Is it referring to the Sea or just the World Durandal is standing within at that moment?

Yeah, it can't be described in a 3 or 4-dimensional mathematical framework, because it is a 11D structure with 4 dimensions extend infinitely and 7 extra compactified dimensions

Also, the funny part is later we have this
Q: "Why does the 2nd Divine Key have to be used to break the Quantum Manifold to get to the Tree of the Imaginary Numbers? Isn't the Sea of Quanta submerged with roots? Aren't we the leaves?"

Screenwriter's answer: "The model of the Tree and the Sea is only an analogy proposed by Otto. For human beings, the Tree of Imaginary Numbers and the Sea of Quanta are both higher dimensional concepts, and their relationship cannot be described concretely in three dimensions."
Yeah, not 4, just 3 dimensions, it is like the devs keep debunking themselves

With this conclusion, the Ether Bathtub and the Sugar Space dimension that's within SoQ are 5-D, the physical plane of the Tree is 6-D through Otto and 7-D from Aeons given their superiority over the physical plane.
No either you goes with IT > SoQ which make SoQ go down to Low 2-C, or IT = SoQ, with both of them being Low 1-C

But I am not done yet, it was also accepted in the thread that the dimensions refer to the amount of them being infinite instead of their size, it's stated "can be" however Honkai also uses Hilbert Space and there's this particular Einstein statement that if transfinite cardinals are applied, Earth would be the lowest transfinite cardinal which is to say that it would simply be the equivalent of a Hilbert Space, whether the size is infinite or not, I don't think it should matter since it's still High 1-B as long as the amount of dimensions there is infinite and the Tree being "infinite" in relations to this would mean it's Aleph 1, this applies for the Aeons who would be High 1-B+.
1. This scans i guess, there are two problems
  • The first is that the statement exists in a vacuum, and we don't know what it applies to, and probably I remember this wrong but back in the day of the VN, Imaginary Tree wasn't a thing. and if it point toward SoQ, then the 11D statement just contradict the infinite dimensions statement
  • The second is how the statement was phrased; they all stated "can" which implies abstract potentiality, not physical actuality. So the meaning of Einstein's statement is that spatial dimension can potentially have infinite amount, not that there are infinite spatial dimensions already existing
2. I think I already went over the Transfinite argument back in Low 1-A thread, and Super Nova already argued about this. There is no High 1-B+ here. I remember a thread also discuss this; you can have cardinality with 0-dimension, and uncountable infinitely multiplying it still result in 0-dimension since stacking up 0-dimensional points does not mean you are adding another direction. So Einstein's transfinite statement is a non-factor statement that affect almost nothing,

So i disagree with this thread, or, downgrade SoQ to Low 2-C if you want to argue IT > SoQ
 
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