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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

EldemadeDityjon said:
I wanted to address this but forgot to add to my previous reply.
Domain clash doesn't negate other abilities inside of it. It only negated sure hit? Dagon was able to use other abilities of his domain?JP is not a sure hit? Idk why you are assuming Megumi domain would negate it.
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The difference is that the domain is fundamental to the usage of their CTs with Hakari and Higuruma. The key parts of their techinque (the court room and rolling) relies on their domains being able to put their rules into effect. Dagon is someone who is able to utilize his CT without his domain so his sure hit getting disabled shouldn't nullify his usage of his techinque. Higuruma should still be able to utilize his Cursed Tool and Hakari should be able to shoot out indicators (as we see him do against Yuji) but I don't see their domains actually being able to do most of their important features because they'd be clashing with another.
 
Duedate8898 said:
The problem is that neither of their sure hits are deadly.

Hakari pouring information into Megumi's head doesn't mean he's able to roll slots in order to get his jackpot since Megumi's domain is also fighting against his. And the issue Higurma faces is that if he and Megumi clashes for any amount of time, that could mean his no violence rule isn't in play so he's at risk of being hurt by one of the shadows.

If neither Higuruma or Hakari are able to activate what their domains are meant to do, then they're not able to effectively utilize the game plan at the center of their domain.

Not to mention, Megumi could beat his trial and therefore get to fight against Higuruma as usual. Or Megumi could potentially overwhelm Pre-Jackpot Hakari with his shadows before he's able to hit a jackpot
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the surehit for Hakari simply gives rules. For non-lethal domains, the only activation requirement is a giving of the rules. Clashing doesn't stop other domain abilities, since clashing only neutralizes the surehit. Clashing would stop Hakari from being able to spin immediately but if Megumi is even slightly late Hakari can roll mid-clash
 
Duedate8898 said:
Higuruma has RCT but his RCT isn't that crazy. He regrew both of his arms, but once he got dealt a fatal wound he was out of the fight, so even if he RCT'd it, he couldn't do much else beyond it. Plus Higuruma is noted to have a noticeable deficit in his lack of combat experience. He's typically able to make up for it by removing an opponents CT, and messing up their foundational sorcery.
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He had less combat experience in CG. He is able to utilise his kits effectively against Sukuna.
Forgot he also has DA. Yeah Megumi Shikigami's CTs gets nulled. You should also know Sukuna slashed him too much to the point he couldn't keep fighting. Megumi got no abilities to make up for it. Also I don't see Megumi having sts to damage Top tier Grade 1 Sorcerers like Higuruma (his Shinjuku version was able to take blows from Weakened Sukuna). Only advantage Megumi has is likely his CQC skills
Duedate8898 said:
Pre Jackpot Hakari could also be harmed by a fresh sorcerer in the likes of Charles who nearly killed him. And the thing about Uruame and Kashimo is that both of them like any means to clash with Hakari's domain. Hakari started his fight against Kashimo already in JP and benefitted from that throughout much of their bought, whenever he was outside of it inside his own domain, Kashimo was consistently shown to overwhelm Hakari. We don't know how long Hakari fought Uruame without Jackpot either, so it's not really good support saying that Hakari is insanely above the like of Megumi.
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Charles is a non-factor. As I said, Hakari was able to clash with post-Shibuya Yuji and take a headbutt without any issue. Yuji also clarified that he was trying inside the room; he only stopped fighting outside of it. Megumi has no scaling chain to Charles or post-Shibuya Yuji. I don’t know how Charles, with his cursed tool, harming base Hakari is a good argument to upscale Megumi. Just because Charles is newly awakened, he shouldn’t be comparable to post-Shibuya Yuji? What kind of logic is that? Since when do newly awakened sorcerers get tier-capped? Let’s not even get into speed.
Duedate8898 said:
I'm not saying Megumi easily stomps these guys, but I do believe he has an effective kit to be able to defeat them without relying on Mahoraga due to the unique limits and conditions the pair has to reach their heights as sorcerer's.
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He got no scaling chain again unless you give some scaling chain for him which puts him to post Shibuya Yuji level.
Duedate8898 said:
The difference is that the domain is fundamental to the usage of their CTs with Hakari and Higuruma. The key parts of their techinque (the court room and rolling) relies on their domains being able to put their rules into effect. Dagon is someone who is able to utilize his CT without his domain so his sure hit getting disabled shouldn't nullify his usage of his techinque. Higuruma should still be able to utilize his Cursed Tool and Hakari should be able to shoot out indicators (as we see him do against Yuji) but I don't see their domains actually being able to do most of their important features because they'd be clashing with another.
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Even if you argue that he can somehow cancel out an opponent’s domain sure-hit, and that Hakari’s and Higuruma’s domain functions get shut down, we can still see that his incomplete domain can clash with Dagon’s domain for only a few moments at best. Hakari and Higuruma don’t need to use hand signs to overwhelm Megumi’s domain, whereas Megumi needs to constantly maintain his domain. That will tire him out. He isn’t moving around freely against a fully developed domain.
 
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Bruh idk how you are betting on Megumi with his incomplete domain against characters with fully developed Domain & has better barrier skill showcased 🙃🙃🙃
 
Megumi clashed for more than a few moments. He in fact, keeps his domain open up until Dagon is killed. He is literally the only case we have in the series of someone doing a domain clash, and even with an incomplete domain Megumi can maintain a prolonged clash against someone else. We have little reason to believe that Megumi wouldn't be able to maintain a prolonged clash against most other characters bar Gojo, Sukuna, and Kenjaku (probably) as the only characters who have such an extreme cleft between them and the rest of the cast is Gojo and Sukuna.

And my point is that the ability to clash and halt the effect of an opponents domain can be a really good window against opponents who rely chiefly on their domain to be effective threats. It only takes one bad move to end up dead or loss in a fight in JJK, and I think Megumi has the tools against Higuruma and Hakari to pull off such a move
 
Duedate8898 said:
Megumi clashed for more than a few moments. He in fact, keeps his domain open up until Dagon is killed. He is literally the only case we have in the series of someone doing a domain clash, and even with an incomplete domain Megumi can maintain a prolonged clash against someone else. We have little reason to believe that Megumi wouldn't be able to maintain a prolonged clash against most other characters bar Gojo, Sukuna, and Kenjaku (probably) as the only characters who have such an extreme cleft between them and the rest of the cast is Gojo and Sukuna.
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he had to stand there and maintain his handsign to do so
 
Mommyleona said:
that's a crazy statement lol, he regened both of his arms in seconds after learning it just a moment ago, and healing your limbs is stated to be a high lvl rct, better rct feats than yuki
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He only regened one arm. Still an impressive feat but I just wanted to note that it wasn’t both arms in that timeframe
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
Does rat have Sukuna level CE reserves?
If not, Squirrel tears through the rodent
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Even if it had Sukuna level reserves the rat would need Sukuna level efficiency too to make it last. Squirrel would just keep applying damage til it runs out of CE with SD fr. Also SD may just debuff the RCT and weaken it
 
LaserPrecision said:
If we're going to make Black Flash amps stack, I would like to know how we're going to treat it for the sake of my sandbox. Are we going to treat it as multiplying by itself (I.e. 120% of 120%...), or just adding (20%+20%+20%...)

Previously I calc'd it as if we were doing the former (1.2^8), but never got a consensus on that.
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I do genuinely think it should be additive of itself. Alongside other amps like Domain and Black Flash itself
 
Arkenis said:

Where is this Kenjaku>Dabura agenda from??
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Ik it's bait/brainless agenda but I will put my finger and say that I doubt that Yuta got far stronger after Shinjuku. He probably was at his prime back in his fight against Sukuna.

It's was time for peace after Sukuna's defeat, and sorcerers grow in strength specially in life-death situations.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Ik it's bait/brainless agenda but I will put my finger and say that I doubt that Yuta got far stronger after Shinjuku. He probably was at his prime back in his fight against Sukuna.

It's was time for peace after Sukuna's defeat, and sorcerers grow in strength specially in life-death situations.
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Yuji slander masked under Yuta slander
 
Apotheosis69 said:
I do genuinely think it should be additive of itself. Alongside other amps like Domain and Black Flash itself
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I do agree the amps from black flash should be additive of itself. I don't think Domain Expansion's amp should be additive tho as it is an entirely different amp. Same for Black Flash itself (the 2.5x increase). Because it is an increase of the current cursed energy of 2.5x.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I do agree the amps from black flash should be additive of itself. I don't think Domain Expansion's amp should be additive tho as it is an entirely different amp. Same for Black Flash itself (the 2.5x increase). Because it is an increase of the current cursed energy of 2.5x.
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It's all inherently the same system of output though, Cursed Energy itself.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
It's all inherently the same system of output though, Cursed Energy itself.
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I could maybe see the domain one, but not the actual amp of Black Flash. At 120%, they have have output equivalent to 120%. Black Flash magnifies the current output, it wouldn't ignore the fact they are at 120% and only increase the base output. It increases the current output. It would be like saying if they are at 20% power that Black Flash would increase the strength of the blow by 2x 100% of their output rather than 20%.
 
But Black Flash still amps that of Cursed Energy itself. If it was something else entirely, like a regular punch then yeah it could be a whole other multiplier.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
But Black Flash still amps that of Cursed Energy itself. If it was something else entirely, like a regular punch then yeah it could be a whole other multiplier.
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Yeah, it amps the Cursed Energy Output. So if the output is higher or lower, the multiplied attack will be weaker or stronger. It's not a set number like you'd be implying here.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I could maybe see the domain one, but not the actual amp of Black Flash. At 120%, they have have output equivalent to 120%. Black Flash magnifies the current output, it wouldn't ignore the fact they are at 120% and only increase the base output. It increases the current output. It would be like saying if they are at 20% power that Black Flash would increase the strength of the blow by 2x 100% of their output rather than 20%.
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So like the first amp from a black flash would be a 20% increase of their original output and a second black flash amp would increase the output by 20% of their already enhanced output rather than their original output?

So the first BF amp would be 100% to 120%, the second BF amp would be 120% to 144% (20% of 120% is 24%), and a third BF amp would be 144% to 172.8% and so on? Or am I being a dummy and misinterpreting it?
 
Mr.Cinos15 said:
So like the first amp from a black flash would be a 20% increase of their original output and a second black flash amp would increase the output by 20% of their already enhanced output rather than their original output?

So the first BF amp would be 100% to 120%, the second BF amp would be 120% to 144% (20% of 120% is 24%), and a third BF amp would be 144% to 172.8% and so on? Or am I being a dummy and misinterpreting it?
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I am thinking of just adding another 20%. Like 100% to 120%, 120% to 140%, and so on.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Yeah, it amps the Cursed Energy Output. So if the output is higher or lower, the multiplied attack will be weaker or stronger. It's not a set number like you'd be implying here.
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isn't the multiplier for the attack itself specifically the force of the attack and not the CE going into it
 
Cursed energy is required to properly exorcise spirits and kill sorcerers without chance of vengeful spirits. What are requirements for other energy systems to be considered capable of doing the same?
 
Qurbonboev said:
Cursed energy is required to properly exorcise spirits and kill sorcerers without chance of vengeful spirits. What are requirements for other energy systems to be considered capable of doing the same?
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Tbf, I was thinking of removing that
Axxtentacle said:
isn't the multiplier for the attack itself specifically the force of the attack and not the CE going into it
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I can't recall the specific wording, but I think the implication was cursed energy gets magnified. Which by consequence effects the force of the punch
 
Mommyleona said:
bf amps do not stack
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They likely do. Otherwise Sukuna's statement in regards to Yuji doesn't really work. That said I don't think we should try to actually put a number to how much that boost is through stacking black flashes since we don't actually have any idea how much more is gained through doing multiple of them.

The only character known to chain black flashes (Yuji) sadly doesn't give us any meaningful stats in this since in both instances the person he's fighting he doesn't suddenly become tiers above
Qurbonboev said:
Cursed energy is required to properly exorcise spirits and kill sorcerers without chance of vengeful spirits. What are requirements for other energy systems to be considered capable of doing the same?
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Either invulnerability negation or a similar mechanic in only x thing works on y type of enemy to get rid of them. Bleach is a good example of this.
 
Was gonna say that's the entire point of Sukuna's dialogue of Yuji reaching his level…
 
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