Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Rodriiogo]

What Im trying to say really is, currently we have:
- School Arc Yuji < Kyoto/Beginning of Shibuya Yuji = Nanami
- Nanami = Kyoto/Beginning of Shibuya Yuji > Inexperienced Mahito

Nanami is 8-B+
Inexperienced Mahito is 8-B

When school arc Yuji (at least the one that fights Mahito) should actually be equal to his Kyoto/Beginning of Shibuya self and only scales comparable to Inexperienced Mahito. In-between the chapters of the mahito fight in the school and beginning of kyoto, yuji doesnt actually train and megumi, who admits he knows nothing about yuji has been doing after "dying", is confident that Yuji can handle/beat Todo in a physical fight despite Todo being grade 1 and as maki herself points out, megumi himself fought todo before so he knows todo's strength. (Gojo's statement doesnt contradict this at all btw since he hadnt seen Yuji in action since before the school arc)

So it should be more like:

School Arc = Kyoto Yuji = Nanami ~< (comparable yet still superior) Inexperienced Mahito

The Nanami solo fight supports this line of scaling + the fact that Nanami without overtime was already struggling with a holding back inexperienced, still experimenting, Mahito and Mahito's CE even when he still sucked at using it here was able to block Nanami's attacks other than ratio strikes due to its CT.

 

[Mommyleona]

Liar, you're nothing but a Yuta glazer and we all know it

Your admiration for Yuji is nothing but a fabrication seeing as how much you downplay Awakened Yuji upscale.
You're a yuta glazer cosplaying as a Yuji glazer like Kenjaku cosplaying geto

 

[Mommyleona]

I'm asking why it's for all characters? Hitting BF is a rare phenomenon. Personally it's better if we only list it for characters who has shown the feats. They got higher chances of hitting it rather than every Sorcerers.

everyone can hit bf, its random and it doesnt matter if a character did or didnt before

 

[Mommyleona]

You should still list Black Flash on the Cursed Energy page, it would just not be listed as something universal. Instead you'd give it its own section

i dont understand why it shouldnt be universal, basically saying nanami had a higher chance of bf than Gojo pre shinjuku because we never saw Gojo hit one before, though the higher or lower chance doesnt matter to begin with, Miwa has the same chance to hit a bf as kashimo

 

[LaserPrecision]

What Im trying to say really is, currently we have:
- School Arc Yuji < Kyoto/Beginning of Shibuya Yuji = Nanami
- Nanami = Kyoto/Beginning of Shibuya Yuji > Inexperienced Mahito

Nanami is 8-B+
Inexperienced Mahito is 8-B

When school arc Yuji (at least the one that fights Mahito) should actually be equal to his Kyoto/Beginning of Shibuya self and only scales comparable to Inexperienced Mahito. In-between the chapters of the mahito fight in the school and beginning of kyoto, yuji doesnt actually train and megumi, who admits he knows nothing about yuji has been doing after "dying", is confident that Yuji can handle/beat Todo in a physical fight despite Todo being grade 1 and as maki herself points out, megumi himself fought todo before so he knows todo's strength. (Gojo's statement doesnt contradict this at all btw since he hadnt seen Yuji in action since before the school arc)

So it should be more like:

School Arc = Kyoto Yuji = Nanami ~< (comparable yet still superior) Inexperienced Mahito

The Nanami solo fight supports this line of scaling + the fact that Nanami without overtime was already struggling with a holding back inexperienced, still experimenting, Mahito and Mahito's CE even when he still sucked at using it here was able to block Nanami's attacks other than ratio strikes due to its CT.

Yeah, but you're missing the fact that Nanami was only struggling because he literally can't harm Mahito due to him being able to regenerate from every injury plus the fact he was only having trouble with Mahito's speed. Not his attack potency or durability. How can you say he's "struggling" as if he wouldn't have won a minute (at most) into the fight if Mahito's technique wasn't Idle Transfiguration? The only damage Mahito caused was attacking his soul which weakened Nanami (he had to escape and get patched up after the fact despite only being hit by only one Idle Transfiguration).

Anyways, Goodwill Yuji < Beginning of Shibuya Yuji. I already explained in my previous post why he had been stronger by then. He exorcised the blood brothers and experienced yet another Black Flash which promotes growth in the users (Helps them learn proper CE control, or in Mahito's case helped him unlock Idle Transfiguration by understanding his soul better, etc.)

If you don't want to scale Nanami to Shibuya Mahito, that's fine. I suggested upscaling him from Todo, and considering Yuji got stronger since the beginning of Shibuya, thus explaining why he wouldn't be stronger than that Mahito.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Yeah, but you're missing the fact that Nanami was only struggling because he literally can't harm Mahito due to him being able to regenerate from every injury plus the fact he was only having trouble with Mahito's speed. Not his attack potency or durability. How can you say he's "struggling" as if he wouldn't have won a minute (at most) into the fight if Mahito's technique wasn't Idle Transfiguration? The only damage Mahito caused was attacking his soul which weakened Nanami (he had to escape and get patched up after the fact despite only being hit by only one Idle Transfiguration).

Not really? Even before that, when Nanami was trying to hurt Mahito, none of his attacks were harming his body, Mahito full on blocked all of them UNTIL the ratio strike which only cut Mahito's arm because of its technique, Mahito himself gets confused on why it cut him since he blocked it with CE which he then asks if its because of its CT (which we know is true) Mahito is still physically comparable to Nanami here.

Anyways, Goodwill Yuji < Beginning of Shibuya Yuji. I already explained in my previous post why he had been stronger by then. He exorcised the blood brothers and experienced yet another Black Flash which promotes growth in the users (Helps them learn proper CE control, or in Mahito's case helped him unlock Idle Transfiguration by understanding his soul better, etc.)

How does beginning of shibuya doing a grade 1 / nanami level feat prove he is above goodwill yuji who is already fighting grade 1 and gojo says he could already handle special grade spirits like hanami?

If you don't want to scale Nanami to Shibuya Mahito, that's fine. I suggested upscaling him from Todo, and considering Yuji got stronger since the beginning of Shibuya, thus explaining why he wouldn't be stronger than that Mahito.

Yea its just that currently the chainscaling is broken because of what I said (8-B+ Nanami, yet Inexperienced Mahito and school arc yuji are 8-B)

 

[Buraqibear]

We need Prime Oje back to cook up some 7A calcs to get a chance at 7A JJK high tiers back

 

[LaserPrecision]

Not really? Even before that, when Nanami was trying to hurt Mahito, none of his attacks were harming his body, Mahito full on blocked all of them UNTIL the ratio strike which only cut Mahito's arm because of its technique, Mahito himself gets confused on why it cut him since he blocked it with CE which he then asks if its because of its CT (which we know is true) Mahito is still physically comparable to Nanami here.

I'll look back into the fight tomorrow, but I recall Nanami having a patent physical advantage over him.

How does beginning of shibuya doing a grade 1 / nanami level feat prove he is above goodwill yuji who is already fighting grade 1 and gojo says he could already handle special grade spirits like hanami?

Handle Hanami is a bit generous considering even with Todo's help (Wielding a Special Grade tool that greatly amps his physicals btw) and landing 4 Black Flashes, they still would have lost if not for Gojo showing up (through Hanami opening their domain). Yuji can hang in there and not die, but if you're suggesting him being comparable to Hanami, then I'd have to disagree. Though the point was Yuji easily handled Curses who were strong enough to exorcise a Special Grade finger bearer who was stronger than the one who no-diffed Yuji before, and more importantly landed a Black Flash. It's combat-experience/training plus an amp to his growth via Black Flash.

 

[Arkenis]

I find it funny people used to scale Megumi above Nanami and Naobito when the same fight against Toji. Albeit Toji felt Sukuna's presence. He didn't go for Sukuna instead still fighting his son..

Toji could feel the potential in Megumi. He's like Toshiro

 

[ElJoaki5]

Miwa has the same chance to hit a bf as kashimo

Nah cuz kashimo has rela reactions so he can get the timing right but needs luck with environment.
Miwa needs luck with timing and environment

 

[Arkenis]

Nah cuz kashimo has rela reactions so he can get the timing right but needs luck with environment.
Miwa needs luck with timing and environment

Ain't see him hit a single one when it was needed lmao. But you are right, there was no flowing water in the area.

 

[ElJoaki5]

If it wasnt luck based Kashimo would hot em at will

 

[Buraqibear]

If it wasnt luck based Kashimo would hot em at will

Yuji hits em at will even though they are lucky based, he's just better like that

 

[ElJoaki5]

Yuji hits em at will even though they are lucky based, he's just better like that

Kashimo would have never dodged a fight with Dabura, he aint a fraud like Yuji

 

[Rodriiogo]

Handle Hanami is a bit generous considering even with Todo's help (Wielding a Special Grade tool that greatly amps his physicals btw) and landing 4 Black Flashes, they still would have lost if not for Gojo showing up (through Hanami opening their domain). Yuji can hang in there and not die, but if you're suggesting him being comparable to Hanami, then I'd have to disagree. Though the point was Yuji easily handled Curses who were strong enough to exorcise a Special Grade finger bearer who was stronger than the one who no-diffed Yuji before, and more importantly landed a Black Flash. It's combat-experience/training plus an amp to his growth via Black Flash.

The thing is him "hanging" in there against Hanami is already superior to "beating finger bearer", we see that 2F Sukuna completely destroys a finger bearer with absolutely 0 difficulty and jogo is confirmed to be comparable to 5 Fingers level by WoG. The disaster curses despite obviously not being equals are still near the same level of power (Hanami is straight up said to be more "tough" than Jogo). So a finger bearer is at the very least a whole no diff level below any of the disaster curses. So Yuji hanging in there against Hanami is indeed more impressive than beating the blood brothers, specially when we get a direct showing that after the ~207% boost of black flashes, Yuji is very much equal to hanami in strength as seen by when they punch eachother. So kyoto Yuji is arguably only around 2x weaker than a disaster curse who is a whole no diff beyond finger bearers. Beating the blood brothers really isnt a better feat than this.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Kashimo would have never dodged a fight with Dabura, he aint a fraud like Yuji

Kashimo fan talking about frauds

 

[ElJoaki5]

Kashimo fan talking about frauds

Old man kashimo is still top 5 in the verse btw and solos Yuta and Kenjaku

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Old man kashimo is still top 5 in the verse btw and solos Yuta and Kenjaku

Yuta maybe, Not Kenny. Kenny washes that bum.
In fact, do a matchup. I wanna see the Kenny supporters sweat from Kashimo glaze

 

[Arkenis]

 

[ElJoaki5]

Yuta maybe, Not Kenny. Kenny washes that bum.
In fact, do a matchup. I wanna see the Kenny supporters sweat from Kashimo glaze

Kashimo just blitzes him

 

[Buraqibear]

Kashimo would have never dodged a fight with Dabura, he aint a fraud like Yuji

He's gonna show up next chapter and one shot Mahoraga to save Yuka anyway, even though she's a bum and a fraud and it's not his problem to deal with

 

[ElJoaki5]

Gets domain diffed

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Kashimo just blitzes him

Kenny will win, trust

 

[Rodriiogo]

He's gonna show up next chapter and one shot Mahoraga to save Yuka anyway, even though she's a bum and a fraud and it's not his problem to deal with

No one is safe from being called a fraud and a bum in jjk man, beef with a 16 year old with a brain tumor tf she meant to do

 

[ElJoaki5]

No one is safe from being called a fraud and a bum in jjk man, beef with a 16 year old with a brain tumor tf she meant to do

Megumi no diffs her and has more aura btw

 

[Buraqibear]

No one is safe from being called a fraud and a bum in jjk man, beef with a 16 year old with a brain tumor tf she meant to do

Tf did she do to not be called a fraud and a bum? Lose to a random ass old man?

 

[Rodriiogo]

Megumi no diffs her and has more aura btw

He went down to his level

 

[Rodriiogo]

Tf did she do to not be called a fraud and a bum? Lose to a random ass old man?

Only in JJK the standard is being a fraud and a bum even if you dont any hype to begin with

 

[Mommyleona]

Megumi no diffs her and has more aura btw

fraud lover defending frauds again

 

[Buraqibear]

Kashimo folds Kenjaku though, at least by the Wiki scaling thanks to El

 

[Mommyleona]

Kashimo folds Kenjaku though, at least by the Wiki scaling thanks to El

the wiki inverse scaling is cheeks for 90% of verses here, jjk especially

 

[Rodriiogo]

Kashimo folds Kenjaku though, at least by the Wiki scaling thanks to El

Not saying kashimo folding him is wrong or right but the current inverse scaling in the wiki is so bad that using it should be a crime

 

[Buraqibear]

Drite said he didn't think the time division for the Gojo Blue calc was necessary, do you guys agree?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Drite said he didn't think the time division for the Gojo Blue calc was necessary, do you guys agree?

I agree.
What does it do if you don't divide the time?

 

[Buraqibear]

What does it do if you don't divide the time?

Increases the value by 4x and makes it a class G feat

 

[ElJoaki5]

the wiki inverse scaling is cheeks for 90% of verses here, jjk especially

The 10% includes the MBA Kashimo inverse scaling

 

[Ralp0054]

 

[Buraqibear]

Nah, Yuji's so strong special grade curses just stopped spawning out of fear

 

[Rodriiogo]

Nah, Yuji's so strong special grade curses just stopped spawning out of fear

Mahito was tryna get involved in the story saw Yuji was still alive and dipped

 

[ZERO7772]

Yuji will finally fight the aliens now.