Arifureta: Plot, Toon and 4th Wall (✔)

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Space&Time Magic:
WN

Space magic was a ‘magic that interferes at boundary’. Elimination of race-creature gap, formulating new boundary to create spirit world, it could be thought that those kinds of things were also possible.

Regeneration magic was ‘magic that interfere at time’. The use of regeneration magic was more of restoration rather than healing, it was just a portion of it. Originally it was possible to interfere with time itself using this magic, it could catch a glimpse of the past or take a peek at several branches of the procession of time. Shia’s characteristic magic of ‘Future Viewing’ was likely originated from this magic.

LN

Spatial magic was magic that manipulated boundaries. Meaning it could be used to create entire dimensions as well as manipulate the boundaries between fantasy and reality. A skilled master could turn reality into illusion and illusions into reality.

Restoration magic was magic that manipulated time. Which explained why in her message, Meiru had described it as magic that restores and not magic that heals. However, it could do more than just restore things to a previous state. Since it could interfere with time directly, it could be used to look into the past or potential futures based on set decision variables. Shea’s Future Sight was, in fact, just one application of restoration magic.

1. Access extra-dimensional space to store items
2. Interact with manga pages and panels, leaving the panels or travelling previous pages
3. Open a portal to a different manga(main story) by a different artist. The same "serious Hajime" was referenced here

Spoiler: Space Magic and higher dimensions

There is multiple example of it being used to manipulate dimensions beyond the regular 3.

Cut space-time

Supposedly, thanks to the spatial magic it had been enchanted with, she could cut through space-time itself. Supposedly, thanks to the restoration magic it had been enchanted with, it could restore itself from any amount of damage. On top of that, it granted its wielder a restorative aura that slowly healed their wounds. Supposedly, thanks to the spirit magic it had been enchanted with, it could cut right through the souls of her enemies. And supposedly, the electric spells it had been previously enchanted with had been upgraded, and a new function had been added to it that allowed her to send shockwaves out from her slashes. Vol 8 p292

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They could also use it to create spaces with their own time.

1)The first exmple is the MC dimensional storage

The last demand that Hajime told Aularodde. Actually this was it.

Specifically, Hajime planned to put the Heaven Tree’s branch that was given to him inside his treasure warehouse and made it grew there to be a completely independent and original world tree that wasn’t connected to the World Tree.

If he made use of Grasp Gloria and the mutual conversion system, the creation of an independent world tree――Treasure Tree surely wouldn’t be impossible. With that, he would be able to create the “world inside the treasure warehouse”――at present its temporary name was “Miniature Garden”――to be more complete. (ED: So this is how the “little garden” in Mondaiji-tachi ga was created…)

After all, it was already changing to be a world where divine spirits were living in. If he assembled the same components like the nine worlds and constructed an independent nature system, it would become an even more complete world.

Then the next thing Hajime sought for would naturally be――inhabitants.

In theory, every kind of life form would be able to exist in the Miniature Garden where generation of all kind of energy was possible. Then he should aim to create a world where every kind of race coexisted. Ch 388

he could manipulate its timeflow

It was none other than the complete control of this planet’s power――the willpower that was flowing from the King Tree.

The awakening and the revival of the “Dragon” was only possible because it devoured willpower. Naturally, its endless power also came from devouring this planet’s power.

In that case, there would be no problem if all the power was robbed right from the source before it could flow to Japan.

Yes, to the world inside the “treasure warehouse” ――the “Miniature Garden”.

Even the immense energy of a planet’s worth wouldn’t be too much if it was assigned to grow the world of Miniature Garden. As a side benefit, it could also be appropriated for accelerating the growth of Miniature Garden’s great tree――the Treasure Tree and the divine spirits.

There was no time, so Hajime also implemented time acceleration using Hour Crystal and Tio’s regeneration magic.

Netemp was constantly attending the element conversion system to control it, and while Laila was sleeping in order to grow, Aularodde served as the substitute goddess of the King Tree. Ch 424

and space

『By the way, Goshujin-sama. How big art the size of the Miniature Garden currently?』

「In that case……ah? Size? It’s more or less, around the size of earth I guess. The expansion stopped there. The Miniature Garden itself is a spherical space. However, the construction is like the application of the flat earth theory.」

Whoops, Hajime thought while returning his mind to reality.

Willpower that was imported practically by root and branch from the earth’s King Tree plus unlimited magic power.

The amount of energy was overflowing. If automatic brake wasn’t applied to the expansion, the “Miniature Garden” would expand without end. And so for the time being, Hajime kept the size to be similar to some degree with earth as the model.

However, it didn’t mean there was a spherically-shaped land like a planet. The sphere in the end was nothing more than the shape of the space.

At the center of the spherical space was the Treasure Tree. The “surface” part when the space was split into hemisphere state was the land. That was the whole picture of the “Miniature Garden”.

And so, the sky became lower the further one went toward the edge. Below the land there was also a vast space where there was nothing in the shape of hemisphere.

That was just for the time being though. Ch 481

2) Eto Shin is an artifical life created with Ancient Magic for the purpose of managing multiple dimensions.

「So this is something like Noah’s ark huh.」

In the first place they were the people of god. Their magic technology was astounding. The research that they carried out with mad desperation while the danger of destruction was approaching showed astonishing great strides.

A colony of treasure warehouse with miniscule size of grains of sand that numbered in the tens of thousands.

The other dimension that each grain possessed was unified internally to create this vast isolated space.

Even if half of their number was destroyed, there would be no effect to the contained world. At the inside, it was possible to create anything that one wished for by transmuting every kind of mineral particles that were stored inside.

Generation of air and soil, propagation of plants and animals, the technology to preserve them for eternity with time stasis.

The function of reading the information from outside and storing it.

Ability of autonomic movement, camouflage ability by interfering with wind and heat and light, ability to turn into mirage.

And then,

「The function to control all functions and protect the lives inside, me──Eto Shin(Eternal Protector)」Eternal Artifact Ch 3

Another statment of time

It was unknown how long they stayed like that. The one who broke the silence first was Eto Shin.

「……I had continued to think within a slowed flow of time.」

「About what?」

「Why didn’t the people wish to continue to live. Why, wasn’t I unable to make the people wish to continue to live.」Eternal Artifact Ch 4

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Magicians ability to manipulate reality come from either their talent or through comprehending its fundamental aspect(Time, Space, Gravity...).

"I see. So every ancient magic can interfere with some fundamental abstract concept. I guess that’s too much for normal humans to handle. No wonder you can’t just make something to take us home... From the sound of it, it’ll be pretty difficult to combine all the right elements together...” Vol 10 p216

So I think they are reliable to recognize physical dimensions.


Time Magic(AKA Restoration/Regeneration) users could manipulate the concept of time

The true nature of restoration magic involved interfering with the concept of time, and Godspeed made it so that the time every single one of Kaori’s actions took was reduced to a fraction of its normal use. That included everything from the time it took Kaori’s attacks to reachher enemies to the time it took for her to move from place to place. Vol 13 p111

or its axis

「……The accurate time axis has to be searched through the different time axis of that time, so it’s too hard for Kaori. Impossible. You’ll fail anyway. That’s why don’t force yourself. Because I’ll do it.」

「Those are one and even two words too many! If you’re picking a fight then I’ll take it up you know!?」

Should it be called “empty state of mind provocation (limited to Kaori)” already?

Kaori was about to jump Yue but Shizuku held her back from behind with an exasperated face. Meanwhile Yue purposefully made a sound 「Muuu~n」. She was really making a show that she was focusing to knead her magic power and searching for the time axis.

Of course, Yue had replayed the correct time axis twice before this. She had already grasped the feeling, so actually she could do it in an instant. Ch 502

Different spin-offs are just different space-time

青年に落雷が落ちたのを。ピシャッ～～ッと。なんならギャグ漫画みたいに目玉が飛び出すような姿も幻視できた。


少女漫画の登場人物みたいなイケメン青年が、唐突にギャグ時空に飛ばされたようなギャップが凄まじい。

He made an openly disgusted face when he saw the manly goddess, next he turned his eyes to Aziz beside her but then he immediately lost interest like he had just seen a pebble at the roadside……

And then, his eyes met Manami whose face poked out over Aziz’s shoulder──

In that moment, everyone saw a hallucination.

「Hauahh!!?」

Lightning fell on the youth. PISHAA~~. They could even hallucinate his eyeballs popping out like in a gag manga.

The handsome youth who was like a character that showed up in shoujo manga suddenly getting blown away in a gag spacetime. The gap was terrific. Ch 534

and this is supported by number 3 above.

Not sure if we coud take this seriously, but the author used "spatial magic" to erase a part of the plot

Afterword

At first, I thought of including detailed descriptions of the dimensions Hajime and the others went through before reaching the Leviathan, or dedicating a chapter or so to Freid and Uranos’s backstory, but as I started writing all that, I realized how redundant it would all be, so I used some spatial magic to chop all the extraneous bits out and speed the pacing up a bit. (Though, if you’re interested, Freid’s backstory is included in one of the short stories that come bundled with the store versions of the books. If you’re curious, please do check it out. Though honestly, I probably shouldn’t be using the afterword to talk about it.) Vol 12

That could possibly be taken as the author saying it's possible to erase the narrative using it.

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The gang being toony :
Manga: Stando Power, Here, Here, Here, Here, Here, Cells At Work, Here, Here, Muscles equality, Pokemon reference? and Disney(Read ED note). There is more, but I think that's enough.

He made an openly disgusted face when he saw the manly goddess, next he turned his eyes to Aziz beside her but then he immediately lost interest like he had just seen a pebble at the roadside……

And then, his eyes met Manami whose face poked out over Aziz’s shoulder──

In that moment, everyone saw a hallucination.

「Hauahh!!?」

Lightning fell on the youth. PISHAA~~. They could even hallucinate his eyeballs popping out like in a gag manga.

The handsome youth who was like a character that showed up in shoujo manga suddenly getting blown away in a gag spacetime. The gap was terrific. Ch 534

「Eh, please wait? My maiden sensor is blaring loudly?」

Her pulsating pectoralis major muscle was showing the truth plainly. I think you reader don’t understand what I’m saying, but please I ask for your understanding that fairy of muscle is just that kind of existence.

The muscle(maiden) sensor sometimes read people’s heart and sometimes even predicted the future. Its sensitivity was working favorably to the extreme even today which was immediately proven at the next moment. Ch 534

The gang breaking the 4th wall :
Here, Piccolo, Nooo, Schrodinger's Arifureta, That's Meta, Here and Watching the anime

The silver head stiffened in fear.

Is it just me, or are the challengers this time acting a little strange? Hang on, isn’t that guy the one who beat me before? Why’s he back? And why’s he looking at me like a wolf who’s spotted its prey? What’s with that smile?!

The Hydra took a few steps back, terrified of Hajime.

"Heh, it’s pretty nice having a test subject that’ll just keep infinitely reviving.”

“Hajime-kun, if you keep this up, you’re going to get this novel an R rating.”

The Hydra could tell if it let itself be caught by this mad synergist, it would be suffering for a long, long time. Vol 12 p324

Spoiler: New additions

1) Self destruction: Hajime self destructive clothes

2) Photographic memory: Otaku memory

3) ? : Yue literally censoring people

4) Body control: Shea true big and fluffy transformations

5) Text manipulation: Apostle disintegrating speech bubbles

6) ? :Shizuki psychic overload

7) Hair manipulation: Shizuku hair and Zoro style

8) Lilly carcked a wall

9) Schlagen range upgrade

10) Barrier protecting from low temperature.

11) Shnee labyrinth ice could withstand burning tar temperature.

12) Dragon village is outside of Tortus continent

13) Tortus has a different solar system

14) Hajime could survive after losing 10 Liter of blood

Note: In case this got accepted, I could use these scans in a future CRT.

Spoiler: Spinoffs canonicity

Arifureta Nichijou:
1) Yue and Tio clothes: This is also mentioned in the novel, but I can't remember where exactly.

2) Empire throne room painting:

「Ooops, my hand slipped!」

「By your will, my hand slipped desuwa!」

Gahard’s words that leaked out his true feeling were interrupted by the two who displayed a synchronized action like true master and servant.

In addition, Egxess was swung in a flash hyun. Magic blade flew out and went passed right above Gahard’s head to behind him.

It was already too late when Gahard gasped in realization.

「S-someone stop ittttt—-」

Gahard turned around while ordering his imperial guards with a desperate look, but at that time the jet black magic blade was already cutting off the red curtain hanging behind the throne that was embroidered with the empire’s crest. The curtain was cleanly slashed in a straight line.

And so, what appeared from behind the falling curtain was――

「Hih, what’s that painting!?」

「W-why is such repulsive painting is decorating the back of the throne……」

「I-is this the art culture of the empire?」

「ABSOLUTELY NOTTTTTTTTTT!!」

The words of Kaoruko, Akiko, and Tomoichi were denied by Gahard’s yell with all his might.

All the empire nobles were yelling things like 「Even though I don’t want to see it anymore! Or 「Even though, even though it had stopped showing up in my dream anymore-, but now-」 or 「O-oi! Guards! Watch the surrounding carefully! Check whether there is Hauria here or not!」 while looking like they would lose their sanity.

Yes, there was a huge painting of zombie like humans tormenting the rabbit race that looked like zombie the way their rabbit ears wilted like shriveled carrot――it was a very heart-warming painting that was gushing out with advocacy of anti discrimination――adorning the back of the throne.

The feeling of oppression from it was overwhelming. Certainly it felt like this picture would reduce the sanity of anyone who saw it.

「Eh? Why is Ume○-sensei’s painting is here?」(TN: Umezu Kazuo, a horror manga artist.)

「T-that’s nasty……nn, come to think of it, there was a time when Hajime took a liking to this style and drew a lot of it for practice……」Ch 395

3) Shea muscular form:

「Lily-san, let’s detach your thinking from work for a bit. Rather, it feels like I can see the future of Lily-san dying from getting overworked. Also, this won’t have the precision of “hypothesized future” or “oracle sight”. It’ll be something hazy somehow like, ‘this kind of future might be possible?’.」

It seemed the accuracy would be hit or miss at best. But, being able to see a scene that showed a possibility of the future was something unique of Shia.

Like that Shia said 「Then here I go」 and heightened her focus while inhaling a deep breath ‘suuu~~’……

「UOOOOOOOOOOOOOHDESUUUUUUUUU!!!」

「Somehow it’s different from my imagination!!」

A divination so unexpected it even made Hajime’s eyes widened started.

A fierce scream and bluish white magic power surged from Shia. Her form that was slightly leaning forward with her arms rounded and strained was just like the “Most Muscular” posing of body builder!

On top of that, “something behind” like Yue’s “lightning dragon” and Kaori’s “Hannya” was faintly……

It was like something from a different time axis, like a muscular rabbit that displayed her true nature in common daily life Arifureta Nichijou……

Bursting! Bursting! It’s formed to the supreme level! The muscles are rejoicing!

That muscle motion that was just very lively, the intensity that was like a supreme ruler, it made everyone there to open their eyes wide like saucer!

「NUOOOOOOOOOOH!! ――I can see-, I can see it! The future-!! ……………………ah, desuu!」Ch 359

Here, the correct translation is "from a different space-time". They're refering to her muscular form from Arifureta Nichijou. This further support the notion that all adaptations are connected.

Arifureta Magic Academy:

Chapter II: Arifureta Magic Academy Compilation

Arifureta Magic Academy I: Special After School Lessons


A blazing sunset shone its orange rays into a hallway. The dying light of the sun cast long shadows everywhere it touched. In this dim twilight that brought about feelings of sorrow, security, and just a hint of mystery, the inside of the school was quiet, devoid of people. Only the faint sounds of sports club members practicing outside could still be heard.

All of the classroom doors lining the hallway were closed. This peaceful school was actually a magic academy, located in a certain country of a certain parallel world. Unlike most, it wasn’t restricted to only nobles, and opened its doors to commoners and even beastmen. So long as one could pass the entrance exam, they would be accepted. Thus, this school had become this world’s largest magic academy. SS volume p163

It's clear from this that both Nichijou and Magic Academy are cannon. Either as events that happened offscreen or from different space-time.

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Conclusions:

1. Toon Force and 4th Wall Break are common hax across the series
2. Spatial & Temporal dimensions are under the domains of S&T Magic
3. Space Magic users could break the 4th Wall, traverse panels, pages, different adaptations(4th Wall Break, Immersion and Dimensional Travel)
4. Space Magic could "chop" the narrative(Possible/Limited/Minor Text and Plot Manipulation ?)
5. In one way or another, the spin offs can be considered canon

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Agree: @Lloydblitzed ,@LuffyRuffy46307 ,@BeTheWay1rst ,@Apex_Predator_GX ,@ActuallySpaceMan42(minus Toon Force) ,@Elizhaa(minus Toon Force) ,

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Community_Gamer]

So wtf is the proposed upgrades?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I agree with everything except:

Access extra-dimensional space.

So it's a meta hax capable of accessing higher dimensions, interacting with the 4th wall, travelling the manga panels and pages or outside them, travel to a different story and even "chop" the plot.

Is this the scan for the argument that the Metahax allowing access to Higher Dimensions?. If so, Extra-Dimensional wouldn't really equate to Higher-Dimensional by its definition, so I don't agree on the hax granting HD Manip

Edit: Nvm I agree, didn't read the meaning of extra-dimensional proprely

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I agree with everything except:




Is this the scan for the argument that the Metahax allowing access to Higher Dimensions?. If so, Extra-Dimensional wouldn't really equate to Higher-Dimensional by its definition, so I don't agree on the hax granting HD Manip

Edit: Nvm I agree, didn't read the meaning of extra-dimensional proprely

Who said anything about HD manipulation ?


That's not my intention, although it could manipulate space-time. Don't know if it count

Supposedly, thanks to the spatial magic it had been enchanted with, she could cut through space-time itself. Supposedly, thanks to the restoration magic it had been enchanted with, it could restore itself from any amount of damage. On top of that, it granted its wielder a restorative aura that slowly healed their wounds. Supposedly, thanks to the spirit magic it had been enchanted with, it could cut right through the souls of her enemies. And supposedly, the electric spells it had been previously enchanted with had been upgraded, and a new function had been added to it that allowed her to send shockwaves out from her slashes. Vol 8 p292

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Who said anything about HD manipulation ?


That's not my intention, although it could manipulate space-time

Well you said this

So it's a meta hax capable of accessing higher dimensions, interacting with the 4th wall, travelling the manga panels and pages or outside them, travel to a different story and even "chop" the plot.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Well you said this

I got mistaken too because of that. Really misleading. Should remove higher dimensions part since it's not there at all.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Btw for space stuff I don't think plot manip is appropriate at all since it's all just standard fourth wall breaking

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Well you said this

That's a range upgrade(accessing≠manipulating)

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

That's a range upgrade. (accessing≠manipulating)

Extradimensional doesn't mean higher-dimensional.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Extradimensional doesn't mean higher-dimensional.

(Using Google)
Extradimensional describes something originating from or existing outside our familiar 3 spatial dimensions and time, often referring to concepts in science fiction or theoretical physics where entities or realms exist in dimensions beyond our perception, such as in higher planes or separate realities, unlike interdimensional, which implies movement between dimensions.


It actually depend on the context or the author and reaching a higher dimension through CM of Space/Boundary doesn't seem far fetched. I'll leave it to the staff judgement.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

(Using Google)
Extradimensional describes something originating from or existing outside our familiar 3 spatial dimensions and time, often referring to concepts in science fiction or theoretical physics where entities or realms exist in dimensions beyond our perception, such as in higher planes or separate realities, unlike interdimensional, which implies movement between dimensions.


It actually depend on the context or the author and reaching a higher dimension through CM of Space/Boundary doesn't seem far fetched. I'll leave it to the staff judgement.

If a staff is voting with actual standards in mind I doubt they'd accept it because

• Stating that something is Extra-Dimensional simply means it comes from outside of the regular 3-dimensional space. It does not necessarily mean that it has an extradimensional axis in contrast to 3-dimensional objects, without further context.

You do need more context than "it could be possible".

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

I agree with the thread, tho I think it should be limited plot hax instead of possible.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I agree with the thread, tho I think it should be limited plot hax instead of possible.

It's literally just fourth wall breaking

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

If a staff is voting with actual standards in mind I doubt they'd accept it because

That's a requirement for HDE not a a higher dimension.

You do need more context than "it could be possible".

The verse regularly travel the multiverse and literally browse through the axis of time

「……The accurate time axis has to be searched through the different time axis of that time, so it’s too hard for Kaori. Impossible. You’ll fail anyway. That’s why don’t force yourself. Because I’ll do it.」

「Those are one and even two words too many! If you’re picking a fight then I’ll take it up you know!?」

Should it be called “empty state of mind provocation (limited to Kaori)” already?

Kaori was about to jump Yue but Shizuku held her back from behind with an exasperated face. Meanwhile Yue purposefully made a sound 「Muuu~n」. She was really making a show that she was focusing to knead her magic power and searching for the time axis.

Of course, Yue had replayed the correct time axis twice before this. She had already grasped the feeling, so actually she could do it in an instant. Ch 502

And because that's how they manipulate reality, through comprehending the concepts behind it.(Check previous CRT)

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

That's a requirement for HDE not a a higher dimension.

Literally the same thing here. The exact same logic applies to here. Do you think a higher dimensional space doesnt have HDE?

Also completely different contexts does not make that extradimensional scan mean higher dimensions

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Not sure if we coud take this seriously,

If that's all it is, I don't think so. Especially since the author isn't a character in the story who actually uses magic. That is, unless this text is from the POV of a character who actually exists within the story and who writes the story.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

If that's all it is, I don't think so. Especially since the author isn't a character in the story who actually uses magic. That is, unless this text is from the POV of a character who actually exists within the story and who writes the story.

It's just equivalent of an authors notes

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Extradimensional scan should be this btw

Extradimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach outside the conventional space-time of a single universe in a way that isn't covered by any other range ratings. Typically by being able to reach into parts of, but not the entirety of, different realms that lie outside of a standard multiverse, or by being able to reach into multiple timelines simultaneously without covering a universal distance.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It's just equivalent of an authors notes

So I don't think so.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Extradimensional scan should be this btw

That's a requirement for hax range not higher dimensions.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

That's a requirement for hax range not higher dimensions.

It's literally not higher-dimensional dude. Anyone with basic reading comprehension will realize HDE page is talking about higher dimensions in general. Stop being stubborn about this.

It's extradimensional range at best.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I've added a couple more stuff

1)

青年に落雷が落ちたのを。ピシャッ～～ッと。なんならギャグ漫画みたいに目玉が飛び出すような姿も幻視できた。


少女漫画の登場人物みたいなイケメン青年が、唐突にギャグ時空に飛ばされたようなギャップが凄まじい。

He made an openly disgusted face when he saw the manly goddess, next he turned his eyes to Aziz beside her but then he immediately lost interest like he had just seen a pebble at the roadside……

And then, his eyes met Manami whose face poked out over Aziz’s shoulder──

In that moment, everyone saw a hallucination.

「Hauahh!!?」

Lightning fell on the youth. PISHAA~~. They could even hallucinate his eyeballs popping out like in a gag manga.

The handsome youth who was like a character that showed up in shoujo manga suddenly getting blown away in a gag spacetime. The gap was terrific. Ch 534

2)

「Eh, please wait? My maiden sensor is blaring loudly?」

Her pulsating pectoralis major muscle was showing the truth plainly. I think you reader don’t understand what I’m saying, but please I ask for your understanding that fairy of muscle is just that kind of existence.

The muscle(maiden) sensor sometimes read people’s heart and sometimes even predicted the future. Its sensitivity was working favorably to the extreme even today which was immediately proven at the next moment. Ch 534

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Agree with everything except the author using spatial magic stuff. That's just an author gag and I don't think we can equate the characters to using said magic the same way as the author.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Agree with everything except the author using spatial magic stuff. That's just an author gag and I don't think we can equate the characters to using said magic the same way as the author.

I thought its true nature being the manipulation of "boundary" could explain how that is within its limitation. No?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I thought its true nature being the manipulation of "boundary" could explain how that is within its limitation. No?

that is simply a buzzword and reliant on the verse to define it. Even then, "boundary" doesn't have to be the same for the author as it is for characters.

Take this example. An author uses a fire attack to burn some panels he was writing as a gang in a manga, that wouldn't mean fire attacks from regular characters would get the same treatment as well.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

that is simply a buzzword and reliant on the verse to define it. Even then, "boundary" doesn't have to be the same for the author as it is for characters.

Take this example. An author uses a fire attack to burn some panels he was writing as a gang in a manga, that wouldn't mean fire attacks from regular characters would get the same treatment as well.

Ok

SM and TM manipulating higher dimensions is solid, right ? cause besides them reaching other timelines, there is scans of time stop and time travel

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Ok

SM and TM manipulating higher dimensions is solid, right ? cause besides them reaching other timelines, there is scans of time stop and time travel.

Rather than higher dimensions, it's better to call them Extradimensional (since that was also previously accepted for this verse, albeit for a different reasoning iirc)

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Rather than higher dimensions, it's better to call them Extradimensional (since that was also previously accepted for this verse, albeit for a different reasoning iirc)

What's the difference ?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

What's the difference ?

Dude. I literally told you extradimensional isn't considered higher-D by default as shown in HDE page, and if you say its talking about HDE and not higher-dimensions then... Do higher-dimensions not have HDE or something?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Dude. I literally told you extradimensional isn't considered higher-D by default as shown in HDE page, and if you say its talking about HDE and not higher-dimensions then... Do higher-dimensions not have HDE or something?

I think he prolly misunderstood something from this thread lolz

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[Ultimate-Rex1]

Do dimensions fall under the domains of Space&Time Magic. Yes or No

Depends on verse

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I agree with Plot Manipulation, 4th Wall Breaking, Immersion & Dimensional Travel, but I think the Toon Force stuff is just gags.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I agree with Plot Manipulation, 4th Wall Breaking, Immersion & Dimensional Travel, but I think the Toon Force stuff is just gags.

Isn't this the case with all Toon Force users?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Isn't this the case for all Toon Force hax?

Plenty of verses, especially comedic ones, have scenes where characters do something, toon-like. It's simply how gags work, but we don't give toon force to all of them, because it's not something they can actively do whenever outside of those comedic moments.

 

[Elizhaa]

I shared similar thoughts to ActuallySpaceMan42's.