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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Does Nero realistically even stand a chance against Geats?

And does Yusuke even stand a chance against Ichigo?
 
1. Yes. Nero vs Geats is close, like real close
2. Nope. Not at all, Yusuke and his verse gets Solo'd by the Death Strawberry.
So are we talking in this forums context or DB's context? Because in here (And most of the Fate fandom apparently) I know that nobody even agrees where Extraverse scales to as to where Kamen Rider is more universally agreed.


And yeah I guess so. Yusuke 's only real "hax" that we know of his his spirit wave regeneration and being able to astral project and fight as a ghost.

Ichigo 's Grand Ray Cero warps space and Sonido can temporarily erase his presence entirely.
 
So are we talking in this forums context or DB's context?
A bit of both.

8D Fate seems to be accepted by a decent bit of the fan base, and I think the team have brought it up at some point.
Because in here (And most of the Fate fandom apparently) I know that nobody even agrees where Extraverse scales to
That's because it might get buffed.
as to where Kamen Rider is more universally agreed.
I thought they were considered outdated here on the Wiki?
And yeah I guess so. Yusuke 's only real "hax" that we know of his his spirit wave regeneration and being able to astral project and fight as a ghost.

Ichigo 's Grand Ray Cero warps space and Sonido can temporarily erase his presence entirely.
Can Yusuke even stand up to Ichigo's Spiritual Pressure?
Even nerfed Ichigo against Naruto wins isnt he?
If and/or when Bleach gets it's layered soul hax back, almost every version of Ichigo would passively kill Naruto.

Though, for now, Naruto doesn't die immediately (I think?).
 
From the Yugi vs Ash Q&A Part 2. Really hopes this doesn't mean they're gonna scale literally every single Yugioh monster with each other regardless of context or existing in a entirely different world with each other and this is solely for duelists and their higher-leveled monsters, because IIRC the "Duel Spirit World" was created from the Human World and is probably lower than it, no?
Nah, they explicitly made a difference between Yugi's monsters power levels on the actual episode

Also, which other topics they talked about on the second part of the Q&A?
 
Its the other way around, the Duel Spirit World came first and exists on a higher plane of reality than the human world
Source? The only claims I found for the Duel Spirit World's cosmology being higher than the Human World states it comes from GX 132, yet none of the timestamps shown state any sort of "higher plane of reality" for the Duel Spirit World.
The Nightshroud 177 statements also has him state that in his comparison of the human world as the front side of a card in comparison to the backside of a card and "Duel Monsters" as a mirror of the human soul and test of their spirit. His statement "For instance, if we were to compare the world you live in, as in the front of the card, my world is the shadow, the darkness." implies that his world is the counterpart or an equal half to the human world. He didn't make mention of the Duel Spirit World as part of the front side of the card, and it would be weird if the implication to his card statement was "oh yeah btw the duel spirit world is uh infinitely above my world of darkness fyi".
Ten Thousand Dragon being stated to "create" the OCG world or be a summation of it vs Horakthy creating the entire Yugioh cosmology, all the dimensions and all, kinda implies a level of superiority to the human world to the Duel Spirit world.

Regardless, my post was kinda more hoping that they're not gonna scale something like the high-leveled monsters from Albaz or Charmer lore to monsters like Metaphys Executer or Anotherverse Gluttonia despite 0 connection and existing in entirely different Duel Spirit Worlds, and that this sorta mass scaling only exists for like the Yugioh MCs and those comparable to them, more than it was about the intricacies of Yugioh's cosmological structures.
 
A bit of both.

8D Fate seems to be accepted by a decent bit of the fan base, and I think the team have brought it up at some point.
Yeah I think 8D is at least accepted.
That's because it might get buffed.
Buffed?? I heard it was (yet another) nerf
Can Yusuke even stand up to Ichigo's Spiritual Pressure?

If and/or when Bleach gets it's layered soul hax back, almost every version of Ichigo would passively kill Naruto.

Though, for now, Naruto doesn't die immediately (I think?).

Good question. Obviously the Senjumaru feat from Cour 3 makes this a win for Ichigo but I do wonder if they'll try to compare it to King Enma shaking the realm in YYH.
 
Will they reveal next time next week?
no prob late january if anything
Does Nero realistically even stand a chance against Geats?
its close really it just depends on how far they far view both scaling in DT slop
And does Yusuke even stand a chance against Ichigo?
**** no Ichigo stomps even lowballin
but I do wonder if they'll try to compare it to King Enma shaking the realm in YYH.
i dont recall that happening in the show
 
That Raiden episode comparison is on point, I can’t remember much of Raiden vs Excalibur because it just blends together, I can remember almost every detail about Raiden vs Wolverine because there is so much specific choreography that looks great. You can even see moments where Raiden is using blade mode.

Torrian consistently made the best animations, and the difference between Dante vs Clive and the other independent era 3D fights is huge.
 
That Raiden episode comparison is on point, I can’t remember much of Raiden vs Excalibur because it just blends together, I can remember almost every detail about Raiden vs Wolverine because there is so much specific choreography that looks great. You can even see moments where Raiden is using blade mode.

Torrian consistently made the best animations, and the difference between Dante vs Clive and the other independent era 3D fights is huge.
Hey now, Raiden was running on buildings, that was cool. And then he... uhh... well he did the infinite ammo bit and we had that Wiz BS cameo too.

And then... uuuuhhhhhh... uh oh

its def true yea
 
That Raiden episode comparison is on point, I can’t remember much of Raiden vs Excalibur because it just blends together, I can remember almost every detail about Raiden vs Wolverine because there is so much specific choreography that looks great. You can even see moments where Raiden is using blade mode.

Torrian consistently made the best animations, and the difference between Dante vs Clive and the other independent era 3D fights is huge.

This is gonna sound cruel, but the issue with modern 3d episodes is they focused more in the visual effects over the choreography. They really boil down to "characters shoots lasers, big boom, and they move really fast". The h2h elements also look bad since its just them mindlessly swing blades, kicks, or fist over actual martial arts.

This is why even Torrian's older episodes hit different even with the outdated graphics. Since he puts more focus on the actual substance of the fight over making it look pretty. That and he is frankly more creative than the writers in how he handles character movesets. And is more skilled in handling complex movements and is apperently knowledgable in irl martial arts (TJ vs Balrog and Snake vs Sam). If Dante vs Bayo were down today, it'll just be like Chief vs Slayer with how generic they will clash their weapons.

Best comparision will be Raiden vs Excalibur and Raiden vs Wolverine. The former's choreography is really just "they swing blades super fast and jump pretty high in buildings" while the latter has a more detailed exhanged in blows (its hard to describe in words but just watch the two and you will get what I mean).

Moro and the guy who did GvS3 are legit the only animators who match the "vibe" Torrian's animations had. This is not to throw shade on the others but they just hit different imo.
As said it's not exactly only DB issues but in general modern fight animations for the most part

it just flashy lights over pure simple chorography peeps prioritized for the fights

sure, spectacle itself isn't bad but what many forget it hits when it saved for the right moment

look at Dante vs Clive as the example and compare that to Kratos vs Asura and you understand why the former succeeded at both chorography and spectacle while the latter fumbles at both

shit look at this


granted they had time and all but there's no reason why these fights hit harder than the official fights they gotten recently
 
Here’s my schizo idea:

The animations are getting worse because the community at large is way more focused on scaling, hype moments and aura over the actual quality of the fights.

You just gotta have a few quotes from whatever media the character is from and the fans will eat that up. Instead of actually having good character moments, nothing in the KS era comes close to snake vs Sam’s “your pretty good” sequence. Which was in season 2.

Modern fights are just the characters making cheap references while doing completely out of character things. And then the analysis will talk about dimensions. It’s the show following the community.

Yes I’m bitter.
 
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Torrian's DanteClive and RubyMaka doing low views prolly wont help either oooof
That’s another thing. Viewcounts on average keep getting lower every season. Episodes flopping used to be unheard of and now we get a few episodes that struggle hard every season.
lets see

1.YT Algo being dogshit and YT axing views counting ad blocks ***** channels like DB over
2.Death Battle Marketing being ass doesn't help given DB is monthly now so really the crew can't really afford to just hype shit up until the episode around the corner
3.Folks only care about the current thing going on

because the community at large is way more focused on scaling, hype moments and aura over the actual quality of the fights.
there is a noticeable issue there tho given KratosSura reception i doubt it to an extent
 
2.Death Battle Marketing being ass doesn't help given DB is monthly now so really the crew can't really afford to just hype shit up until the episode around the corner
That's what gets me, DB marketing isn't even that hard to do, and yet they don't do it as they could easily show a snippet of the fight or the track to garner hype or constantly hype up an upcoming fight instead of just saying "watch our new fight coming up" and have that be it. Sometimes they do hype up a fight, but they should be doing it with EVERY fight, not just some of them.
 
That's what gets me, DB marketing isn't even that hard to do, and yet they don't do it as they could easily show a snippet of the fight or the track to garner hype or constantly hype up an upcoming fight instead of just saying "watch our new fight coming up" and have that be it. Sometimes they do hype up a fight, but they should be doing it with EVERY fight, not just some of them.
Yeah they should do the youtube shorts stuff for all fights instead of just the big ones like Ash vs Yugi and Bowser vs. Eggman.
 
That's what gets me, DB marketing isn't even that hard to do, and yet they don't do it as they could easily show a snippet of the fight or the track to garner hype or constantly hype up an upcoming fight instead of just saying "watch our new fight coming up" and have that be it. Sometimes they do hype up a fight, but they should be doing it with EVERY fight, not just some of them.
They've had this problem even in the RT days, right?
 
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