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Honkai: Star Rail Paths 2 (Chrysos Heirs Edition)

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Before I set some time aside to evaluate the abilities themselves, I just wanted to ask, is there a reason that all Pathstriders would inherit every single ability of others following the same Path?

But I never got the impression that just because a certain character can use EE that every character in that path can also use EE, just that EE was a possible ability manifested via Imaginary Energy into this Path.

It is similar to me, as giving every Nen Conjurer/transmuter/emitter(HxH) each other's sub-abilities, just because someone in their classification manifested it into that classification.

But correct me if I'm wrong (I'm much closer to a casual HSR player compared to anyone who has digested the power system in its entirety)
 
Godernet said:
Before I set some time aside to evaluate the abilities themselves, I just wanted to ask, is there a reason that all Pathstriders would inherit every single ability of others following the same Path?

But I never got the impression that just because a certain character can use EE that every character in that path can also use EE, just that EE was a possible ability manifested via Imaginary Energy into this Path.

It is similar to me, as giving every Nen Conjurer/transmuter/emitter(HxH) each other's sub-abilities, just because someone in their classification manifested it into that classification.

But correct me if I'm wrong (I'm much closer to a casual HSR player compared to anyone who has digested the power system in its entirety)
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Here was the explanation for what the page applies to

Voidnether said:
Only to specific Pathstriders, like the 12 Coreflames listed on the Path of Destruction, Khaslana as the Pathstrider of Destruction is capable of using all of them so if there's any Pathstrider comparable to that, then yes, else the only one capable of using all of the abilities are the Aeons (Nous is able to use all the abilities in the Path of Erudition, since everything there derives from Nous as every genius is stated to be its manifestations)

This also applies to other Aeons, like Nanook with the Path of Destruction since it's him that blessed their own Emanators + Pathstriders with that power anyway. For the Trailblazer, since they're a Pathstrider of Multiple Paths because of the Stellaron, they should be on the same Pathstrider level as Khaslana in terms that they're able to use all of the Coreflames, which also applies to Demiurge/Cyrene and obviously Irontomb because Irontomb fused with Khaslana. The rest of the Chrysos Heirs, shouldn't be able to even if they're Pathstrider of Destruction. But the Path of Destruction itself varies very much because there's Emanator abilities listed there too, so like mostly it's for the Aeons
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Sorry, this ended up taking a bit longer to look at than I originally thought.
CastoriceTheFifth said:
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This seems a bit flowery to me, idk if I'd equate this to Death manip like Castorice has, and more so, just a powerful corrosion that unalives anyone that comes into contact with it.
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idk if I would call this elemental intangibility either.

bc it's hard to say where he is becoming flames themselves or just setting himself ablaze, turning into a giant fire avatar.

The difference being really that you would theoretically still be able to attack Khaslana if you can find him in that sea of flames, whereas real elemental intangibility means you yourself are that fire making attacks phase through you, which idk if there is enough proof there to say.
CastoriceTheFifth said:
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Would definitely fuse these two justifications together to make things more streamlined.
CastoriceTheFifth said:
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This seems more neurological than mythical, based on those scans at least.
CastoriceTheFifth said:
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Wouldn't this be limited to Amphoreus?

If so, I would highlight that.
CastoriceTheFifth said:
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This seems more like a strong Telepathy than a hive mind.

Everything else seems fine.
 
Godernet said:
This seems a bit flowery to me, idk if I'd equate this to Death manip like Castorice has, and more so, just a powerful corrosion that unalives anyone that comes into contact with it.
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What should it be? There's like a lot of abilities this could fall into but I don't really know, would it be Corrosion Inducement and Life Manipulation or it could be like Biological Manipulation related / Deconstruction?
 
Godernet said:
Would definitely fuse these two justifications together to make things more streamlined.
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Yeah some abilities will be fused into 1 since some of them are duplicates.

Godernet said:
Wouldn't this be limited to Amphoreus?
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The Worldbearing Coreflame simulates the path of Trailblaze. The Path of Trailblaze naturally has this power


The coreflames can also work outside of Amphoreus too
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Oh yeah you should add me on HSR fr
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sure (y)

My UID: 604424396
Voidnether said:
What should it be? There's like a lot of abilities this could fall into but I don't really know, would it be Corrosion Inducement and Life Manipulation or it could be like Biological Manipulation related / Deconstruction?
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I think it's already explained under the corruption and corrosion that the black tide is listed as being capable of; if anything, this could be used as supplementary under those justifications rather than its own thing.
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Yeah some abilities will be fused into 1 since some of them are duplicates.


The Worldbearing Coreflame simulates the path of Trailblaze. The Path of Trailblaze naturally has this power


The coreflames can also work outside of Amphoreus too
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Gotchu, that's fine then.
 
Godernet said:
NA

Of course!
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I sent a request
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Smh friend request in a revision thread, shameful
JK finally, this thread is done, we just need to wait until grace has passed before we proceed to applying the changes
 
I forgot about this thread, will try to evaluate the rest later if i have time, though if you guys have enough votes before i could finish my evaluation then just applies the thread with what I and other mods have evaluated
 
Is it really only Godernet that had evaluated and approved this thread? Or are there any of staffs that we forgor beside Vietthai and FinePoint that had evaluated this before those two?
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Because the Chrysos Heirs are supposed to simulate actual pathstriders irl and are simulated pathstriders of several different paths
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Looking back at this, this is really bad reasoning to me, how Chrysos Heirs simulated multiple paths make Destruction abilities also belong to other Paths as well?. Like they have multiple paths' abilities cause they simuluated them, but this should not applies to specific Path and the Aeon cause they are suppose to use single Path, their own Path.
 
Vietthai96 said:
Looking back at this, this is really bad reasoning to me, how Chrysos Heirs simulated multiple paths make Destruction abilities also belong to other Paths as well?. Like they have multiple paths' abilities cause they simuluated them, but this should not applies to specific Path and the Aeon cause they are suppose to use single Path, their own Path.
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I mean, their innate abilities by themselves is reserved for their simulated path and the coreflames themselves are reserved for destruction, no?
 
That is still don't make destruction abilities appears in other paths as well, unless you guys want to claims that other Aeons can use Path of Destruction partially
 
Vietthai96 said:
That is still don't make destruction abilities appears in other paths as well, unless you guys want to claims that other Aeons can use Path of Destruction partially
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Their innate abilities comes from them deriving it from their own simulated path, Castorice was shown to have her death hax and anyone else which includes Mydei way before they got their respective coreflames. The problem is that their innate abilities and the coreflame abilities are inherent to each other but it's more of like the coreflame itself inheriting their innate abilities that they had as a destruction powersource

Take Georios who simulated the path of permanence as a Titan, why would its coreflame be limited to Destruction? I just don't get that part personally imo, or like Oronyx who simulated remembrance and have it limited to Destruction only so like yeah

That's literally my main concern, unless you have like a good reason to prove the otherwise, I'm not convinced myself personally either that it's limited to Destruction

If anything it would be the otherwise, that Nanook is partially able to use other Paths with the Coreflames inheriting their innate abilities that they're supposed to simulate and that
 
I don't understand, Chryos Heirs having abilities from multiple paths, yeah. But that shouldn't be the reasons for other Path having Destruction abilities as well


Voidnether said:
Take Georios who simulated the path of permanence as a Titan, why would its coreflame be limited to Destruction
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The coreflame is from Destruction?. The actual question is why the Coreflame come from Destruction yet other Paths have some abilities from it?. This claim means the Coreflame was made from the power of other Paths, not Destruction, that why Coreflame abilities appears in other paths, but this seems like an absurb claim to me because somehow the Coreflame is Destruction yet is made from other Paths, unless you guys seriously argue for it
 
Vietthai96 said:
The coreflame is from Destruction?. The actual question is why the Coreflame come from Destruction yet other Paths have some abilities from it?. This claim means the Coreflame was made from the power of other Paths, not Destruction, that why Coreflame abilities appears in other paths, but this seems like an absurb claim to me because somehow the Coreflame is Destruction yet is made from other Paths, unless you guys seriously argue for it
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I mean their innate abilities, like Oronyx with Time Manipulation (Remembrance) as a whole altogether and Oronyx even acknowledged Fuli. Coreflame as a Destruction powersource, derives from their inherent abilities which is the reason why Destruction even got its hax in the first place

All the Chrysos Heirs basically has golden blood that comes from Nanook themselves, in which in the iterations it's explained that all of the simulated Paths there would eventually lead to its end (demise), so the Chrysos Heirs are meant to simulate the Paths that would be destroyed by Destruction, their innate abilitkes obviously aren't Destruction by this point
The golden blood flowing in your veins... It comes from The Blemished One, whose name is "Destruction" itself. And Amphoreus's Chrysos Heirs were, from the very beginning, fuel for the Aeon to burn the universe.
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Coreflame isn't the innate ability of the Chrysos Heirs by the way, and it's obvious enough that Coreflames are Destruction, there's no other Paths, it's just a distinction between Chrysos Heirs innate abilities (their Simulated Path) and the Coreflames that has these innate abilities derived to it
 
You could probably ignore my comment on here since I just realized that it's their innate (individual) abilities that are within the entire Simulated Path stuff, given that way though, Coreflames that's stated to be Destruction itself.. I mean, Castorice already has her own death hax without the Coreflames and her having the Coreflames is barely any difference with her Powers & Abilities since it's the same

I feel like the special exceptions would be the Trailblazer, that's only able to use Oronyx's innate abilities through the Coreflame of Time that the Trailblazer lost anyway. This should prove that Coreflames inherit their respective abilities as it was shown for the TB to be able to use it through the Coreflames even if he had like, the Path of Remembrance through Mem but I mean TB manipulated time in Path of Remembrance literally through Mem and I'm sure TB is only able to even use this when they inherit the Coreflame of Time (?)

I want to make it very clear that the Coreflames who has the abilities of their respective Chrysos Heirs own innate/individual abilities are like the Stellaron, to the Chrysos Heirs that already had them: The Coreflame doesn't mean anything, but when it's to the Trailblazer who's not native, it allows the Trailblazer to use Oronyx's powers. It's like Stellaron which was originally thought to be Destruction (but is actually Harmony) is able to allow its users to use multiple Paths at the same time, Coreflames here pretty much copied the abilities of the Chrysos Heirs simulated Path that's why it's on the Destruction list
 
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That is still don't make destruction abilities appears in other paths as well, unless you guys want to claims that other Aeons can use Path of Destruction partially
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Thats why I showed several examples

The Worldbearing Coreflame allows the user to manipulate space time


We also know that the Worldbearing simulates the Trailblaze
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It is later shown that the Trailblaze path straight up has space time breaking hax exactly like the Worldbearing coreflame
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The coreflame of law allows the user to, you know, manipulate law
Law Manipulation (From Talanton, who holds the power to govern all things through logic and law, maintaining the balance of Amphoreus, and any action that violates these laws will be met with retribution)

We also know the coreflame of law simulates the path of order


Ena, the Aeon of Order, has law manipulation hax

Same goes with the Emanator of Order, Sunday
Then you get Castorice who simulates the path of Equilibrium and her abilities reflects her path. Equilibrium is the balance and stability for all things in perpetuity. The path isn’t centered around death itself but she is the pathstrider of said path due to the concept of balancing life and death itself (having both death hax and resurrection hax)

The coreflames at its core is Destruction as stated by Dan Feng


But at the same time, its also clear that the coreflame abilities are supposed to represent their simulated path. The Trailblazer, Cerydra, and Castorice are prime examples of that.

Dan Heng especially resonated deeply with the coreflame of earth to the point it evolved his vidyadhara form. It’s because the coreflame of earth is supposed to simulate the permanence and Dan Heng is an actual pathstrider of the path with his entire race blessed by the Aeon Long.

Dan Heng even calls the power Permanence rather than Earth or the Destruction. Hell, even the Aeon of The Pemrnanence is a giant dragon.
 
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The coreflame is from Destruction?. The actual question is why the Coreflame come from Destruction yet other Paths have some abilities from it?. This claim means the Coreflame was made from the power of other Paths, not Destruction, that why Coreflame abilities appears in other paths, but this seems like an absurb claim to me because somehow the Coreflame is Destruction yet is made from other Paths, unless you guys seriously argue for it
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Not really absurd because if we really think about it. Going along with this argument using the Cerydra and Coreflame of Law example.

Law Manipulation would be exclusive to the Destruction because the coreflame of law is The Destruction. This is would mean that the Order cannot manipulate law. This would also mean we would have to nuke Law Manipulation from the Aeon of Order and the Emanator of Order even though Law Manipulation is straight up the order's main hax with the Aeon of Order being stated to create "gazillions of laws throughout reality". So basically, it's either both paths have similar/same abilities, or the Order's main hax just doesn't exist.

Its not like paths cannot have similar abilities either.

Both the Finality and the Remembrance have several time hax abilities

Heres two clips of the Trailblazer using time hax from 2 different paths



 
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