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Hellaverse: Might of Lilith overload calcs

Tllmbrg said:
Just say Heaven is universal in size and upscale the explosion from a shot to say everyone is High 3-A tbh
Btw since Emily did sorta survive getting clipped by a shot wouldn't it be easier to just focus on the forcefield breaking rather than the explosion for scaling purposes?
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Forcefield breaking seems pretty uncalcable. It's a forcefield, not a proper material, so all it has is scaling to Lucifer and the seraphim. And Lucifer's only 7-C rn.
 
Tllmbrg said:
Just say Heaven is universal in size and upscale the explosion from a shot to say everyone is High 3-A tbh
Btw since Emily did sorta survive getting clipped by a shot wouldn't it be easier to just focus on the forcefield breaking rather than the explosion for scaling purposes?
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You don't scale to something that blew one of your wings to the bone...
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
I thought he was talking about this.
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Eden_Warlock99 said:
The shockwave was calced at High 6-A
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Blargh I think this method's wrong.

I'll mention it in the comments. I've got one practical suggested method to replace it, and one impractical suggestion.

EDIT: Comment made. Blargh, I don't think my alternate method's good, I'll try contacting DT.

EDIT 2: Thread made to find a better method.
 
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LIFE_OF_KING said:
I'm not calcing the beam, I'm calcing the shockwave

No clue why we wouldn't assume that it's not a planet otherwise
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The beam itself would be continent sized(which it isn't). When it breaks through the shield, it doesn't hit a "planet" but passes through a gate and appears in heaven. Basically portal style door.



(btw, I'm not saying "Heaven" is small. The appearance in hell is a representation to gate, not real planetary sized.)
 
MrTayman616 said:
The beam itself would be continent sized. When it breaks through the shield, it doesn't hit a "planet" but passes through a gate and appears in heaven. Basically portal style door.



(btw, I'm not saying "Heaven" is small. The appearance in hell is a representation to gate, not real planetary sized.)
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idk. During the earlier episode, we see the forcefield be created overhead from their perspective, and during this feat, we see it slowly recede, both from that hell-view, and from the view of denizens on the surface. Plus, we see inside that object, and it's a ball of light surrounded by rings, not a sitting gate.

Either way the beam can't actually be too big, since we see it firing from the cannon, both here and in other scenes.

I think there's some visual abstractions at play, but I'd limit those to "the beam isn't actually that thick" and "heaven has more detail to it", rather than trying to explain it as being a gate.
 
MrTayman616 said:
The beam itself would be continent sized(which it isn't). When it breaks through the shield, it doesn't hit a "planet" but passes through a gate and appears in heaven. Basically portal style door.



(btw, I'm not saying "Heaven" is small. The appearance in hell is a representation to gate, not real planetary sized.)
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Well, yea, it's a animation/cartoon. Things will never be consistent and the director will always try to make sure to transmite the idea as easy as possible for the viewer

We see the shield that the angels made around Heaven while the shockwave was created, so it's not only the planet, but the obvious Multi Continental barrier too
 
Agnaa said:
I think there's some visual abstractions at play, but I'd limit those to "the beam isn't actually that thick" and "heaven has more detail to it", rather than trying to explain it as being a gate.
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Look at the door. It doesn't break through it, the beam comes to heaven by entering the gate. There is no beam behind the door or anything.

It's not a simple artistic decision.
 
Other than that, if we were to call it the "real thing", it literally passes through one side to another. So now Heaven has a huge hole in it? No. It is clearly just a representition, an entrance to heaven's door.

It is clearly shown as well, the beam doesn't actually hit a planet but enters to the gate upon interaction.

Calling it "artistic decision" doesn't make sense here as the beam appears through the gate rather than real interaction with the "planet". This isn't a simple problem of size
 
MrTayman616 said:
Look at the door. It doesn't break through it, the beam comes to heaven by entering the gate. There is no beam behind the door or anything.

It's not a simple artistic decision.
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I don't know what you mean, are you saying that the orb is the gate? if so, what we see is:
  1. The beam suddenly blasts through the barrier, and we see it flickering in and out while going past the sky orb.
  2. A blast hits one side of heaven's gate, is briefly stopped, but pierces through.
  3. We see the beam do some further flickering.
Which is not consistent with the orb being a portal to heaven, just because the beam wasn't already on the other side of the gate. I viewed the cut to the gate breaking as a brief rewind to what happened seconds earlier, from heaven's view. Since the beam had already passed through entirely.
MrTayman616 said:
Other than that, if we were to call it the "real thing", it literally passes through one side to another. So now Heaven has a huge hole in it? No. It is clearly just a representition, an entrance to heaven's door.

It is clearly shown as well, the beam doesn't actually hit a planet but enters to the gate upon interaction.
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It seemingly just didn't hit anything inside heaven besides the gate.

(Really, the angle of attack I'd take for this is whether heaven was established as being comparable to a planet, or if it could just be a big city in the sky)
 
MrTayman616 said:
Other than that, if we were to call it the "real thing", it literally passes through one side to another. So now Heaven has a huge hole in it? No. It is clearly just a representition, an entrance to heaven's door.
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Bro, you are using the door for reference, the same door that got a city behind it, which also wasn't destroyed by the beam

It's an animation. Sometimes you just have to accept the inconsistency
 
Agnaa said:
I don't know what you mean, are you saying that the orb is the gate? if so, what we see is:
  1. The beam suddenly blasts through the barrier, and we see it flickering in and out while going past the sky orb.
  2. A blast hits one side of heaven's gate, is briefly stopped, but pierces through.
  3. We see the beam do some further flickering.
Which is not consistent with the orb being a portal to heaven, just because the beam wasn't already on the other side of the gate. I viewed the cut to the gate breaking as a brief rewind to what happened seconds earlier, from heaven's view. Since the beam had already passed through entirely.
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The blast didn't hit the gate, entered heaven with the gate by hitting what appears in hell (literally passing through it).

 
Tllmbrg said:
Just say Heaven is universal in size and upscale the explosion from a shot to say everyone is High 3-A tbh
Btw since Emily did sorta survive getting clipped by a shot wouldn't it be easier to just focus on the forcefield breaking rather than the explosion for scaling purposes?
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Not really since the blast only hit her wing yet badly damaged it and left her notably weakened/injured
 
Not to be a party pooper man but neither of these calcs work.

I've been due to downgrade this verse because it's full of incorrect calculations.

I don't mean any offense, so please don't think I'm targeting it for going against it twice.

Okay first of all, the billion faces is a flowery and figurative statement, so that automatically puts that statement out of use. The 100 billion souls statement has been seemingly rejected, and assuming 20 PSI when destroyed can mean 100 different things is wrong. Destroyed would fall under:
9 PSI: Total destruction of most buildings, severe damage to reinforced concrete
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as destroyed means to tear down or demolish.
 
Vzearr said:
Destroyed would fall under:

as destroyed means to tear down or demolish.
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Will point out for this, destroy in this context is a massive explosion of angelic light which is repeatedly shown to just turn whatever it hits into ash. Buildings, people, metal ships, ect. So it's less of tearing down or demolishing but rather outright obliteration
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
Will point out for this, destroy in this context is a massive explosion of angelic light which is repeatedly shown to just turn whatever it hits into ash. Buildings, people, metal ships, ect. So it's less of tearing down or demolishing but rather outright obliteration
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I suppose 20 psi would be fine and a lowball in that context.
 
Vzearr said:
Okay first of all, the billion faces is a flowery and figurative statement, so that automatically puts that statement out of use. The 100 billion souls statement has been seemingly rejected
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I'm pretty sure it's accepted as population for all Hеаven & Hell because it lines up with irl 100B humans throughout history + Vox was talking about ruling them, which would imply them both. IIRC @Agnaa was for that interpretation too.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
I'm pretty sure it's accepted as population for all Hеаven & Hell because it lines up with irl 100B humans throughout history + Vox was talking about ruling them, which would imply them both. IIRC @Agnaa was for that interpretation too.
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All good.

I can't say I agree, but I don't have the current stamina to argue haha.
 
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