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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

Tllmbrg said:
You say this like it's not dumb with every tier beyond 9.
Like y'all realize that tier 7 or 6 Overlords has the same issues as tier 5 right?
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So what you're saying is put the entire verse in 9-B and call it a day, I like your style

I know I'm just ******* around. Though I will say I think the scaling as a whole cause of that singular feat is wack as shit but hey that's just me
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Following possible options
  1. We scale every overlord to 5-A
  2. We consider the cloud part an outlier, making the feat go down to Low 6-B to 6-A by using the earthquake
  3. We only scale the average value of Hear My Hope for the obvious godtiers
  4. We give up on this hobby since it's not doing good for your ongoing life
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I'm honestly leaning towards the earthquake.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Following possible options
  1. We scale every overlord to 5-A
  2. We consider the cloud part an outlier, making the feat go down to Low 6-B to 6-A by using the earthquake
  3. We only scale the average value of Hear My Hope for the obvious godtiers
  4. We give up on this hobby since it's not doing good for your ongoing life
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AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
So what you're saying is put the entire verse in 9-B and call it a day, I like your style

I know I'm just ******* around. Though I will say I think the scaling as a whole cause of that singular feat is wack as shit but hey that's just me
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I mean, we know angels as a whole expended creation, that's cosmic in nature, and we have someone like Vox just grab Emily with her not managing to get out.
 
Anyways I'll put it on the record that anything besides scaling all the Overlords to 5-A (Unless the calc has issues with it some other calcer points out) is dumb.
Acting like specifically the cloud part of the calc is an outlier is just being selective with the feats for no reason, scaling it to only select few people to containing the bomb just flies in the face of the song's visuals, and so on.
 
Tllmbrg said:
I mean, we know angels as a whole expended creation, that's cosmic in nature, and we have someone like Vox just grab Emily with her not managing to get out.
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As much I hate that feat with every fiber of my being because of Hellaverse fans refusing to let it go and keep bringing it back ever 6 months, I agree this verse has been cosmic from the gate so it make sense angelic power comes with cosmic shenanigans
 
Tllmbrg said:
Anyways I'll put it on the record that anything besides scaling all the Overlords to 5-A (Unless the calc has issues with it some other calcer points out) is dumb.
Acting like specifically the cloud part of the calc is an outlier is just being selective with the feats for no reason, scaling it to only select few people to containing the bomb just flies in the face of the song's visuals, and so on.
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Tbf, if we consider the cloud part an outlier, we would have a support feat for tier 6, which is the Pentagram City feat. For tier 5, we got nothing

Unless...

LIFE_OF_KING said:
Following possible options
  1. We scale every overlord to 5-A
  2. We consider the cloud part an outlier, making the feat go down to Low 6-B to 6-A by using the earthquake
  3. We only scale the average value of Hear My Hope for the obvious godtiers
  4. We give up on this hobby since it's not doing good for your ongoing life
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Anyway, I still think that the option 4 is the best one tbh
 
Tllmbrg said:
I mean, we know angels as a whole expended creation, that's cosmic in nature, and we have someone like Vox just grab Emily with her not managing to get out.
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Nah that's just totally Vox upscale alone, he's just that guy (Fair enough honestly)

Tllmbrg said:
Anyways I'll put it on the record that anything besides scaling all the Overlords to 5-A (Unless the calc has issues with it some other calcer points out) is dumb.
Acting like specifically the cloud part of the calc is an outlier is just being selective with the feats for no reason, scaling it to only select few people to containing the bomb just flies in the face of the song's visuals, and so on.
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Yeah. Even if I don't particularly like the feat, treating the clouds specifically as an outlier isn't the way to go cause, well, just get rid of the whole feat cause it looks dumb as hell if you say "oh this one part isn't usable but this other part from the same feat is cause I don't like the other one". It'd just be kind of confusing plus we'd have to figure out an actual reason why that isn't just "vibes".

Also yeah, we literally see in the song the bubble they're making expand with each overlord added, it's a relatively even process. I think the only ones you can argue aren't a part of it are like Val and Vel but that's cause the bubble was already formed by the time they showed up and it was already doing the floating thing/dissipating but they'd scale to it regardless off fighting other overlords.
 
Btw what value does Lucifer scale to now, since iirc we said his tier will probably be Lilith's Might shots x Calc value yah?
 
Tllmbrg said:
Because most of the shots were described by him as tickles, it wasn't a notable amount of energy from.
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I mean he describes it as bad tickles and after its fired 4 times he's very visibly out of it so I don't really think its not a notable amount of energy
 
Welp, either way compiling all the shots would probably give an absolute max value tier for him.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
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Below Heaven - Made in Hell

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5-A
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lol. lmao.
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Agnaa wanked the Heaven feat to 5-A and Reaper wants 5-A overlords
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Never let them call me a downplayer.
DarkLock92 said:
Is the shockwave method completely unusable?
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I believe so, yeah.

DT and Chariot have both said that shockwaves don't work like that in space, and the bit where DT "approved" it was just misreading his post that was disapproving it.
Tllmbrg said:
I mean, we know angels as a whole expended creation, that's cosmic in nature, and we have someone like Vox just grab Emily with her not managing to get out.
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Group of thousands at minimum, doing something unquantifiable over a completely unknown period of time.

Yeah, that's 5-A.
Tllmbrg said:
Because most of the shots were described by him as tickles, it wasn't a notable amount of energy from.
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Astonished to see this sorta reasoning from you.
Ooh hehe that tickles. Th-oh that's a bad tickle, OH THAT'S A BAD TICKLE. BAD TICKLE AUGH!
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If you just watch three more seconds past the part you're selectively quoting, that argument disproves itself.

Also Ep 8, 6:45 "It does make my head feel kinda fuzzy".

Also Ep 8, 18:15 while visibly convulsing "Oh shit, the bad tickles are back, the bad tickles are back!"

Also Ep 8, 28:50 visibly exhausted, covered with wounds, and coughing "Don't go down there! It's a place of pain." collapses
Tllmbrg said:
Welp, either way compiling all the shots would probably give an absolute max value tier for him.
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Happened over time, gg.
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Following possible options
  1. We scale every overlord to 5-A
  2. We consider the cloud part an outlier, making the feat go down to Low 6-B to 6-A by using the earthquake
  3. We only scale the average value of Hear My Hope for the obvious godtiers
  4. We give up on this hobby since it's not doing good for your ongoing life
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I'm gonna pick option 4, and start enacting that right now.
 
Agnaa said:
Group of thousands at minimum, doing something unquantifiable over a completely unknown period of time.

Yeah, that's 5-A.
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I mean, yes? If we had a more definitive time frame I'm 90% sure the feat would be higher, either way the point was more about that cosmic Hazbin does not come from nowhere.
Agnaa said:
If you just watch three more seconds past the part you're selectively quoting, that argument disproves itself.

Also Ep 8, 6:45 "It does make my head feel kinda fuzzy".

Also Ep 8, 18:15 while visibly convulsing "Oh shit, the bad tickles are back, the bad tickles are back!"

Also Ep 8, 28:50 visibly exhausted, covered with wounds, and coughing "Don't go down there! It's a place of pain." collapses
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Hm, fair enough
 
Tllmbrg said:
Welp, either way compiling all the shots would probably give an absolute max value tier for him.
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It gets fired off 4 times i think. First time to break the barrier, second time where it lasts like a minute and a half or something like that just firing, then the shot that clips Emily's wing, and then the last one where it gets interrupted but it still charged so the thing was going to overload.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
It gets fired off 4 times i think. First time to break the barrier, second time where it lasts like a minute and a half or something like that just firing, then the shot that clips Emily's wing, and then the last one where it gets interrupted but it still charged so the thing was going to overload.
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Well there are also the shots when Vox is just wrecking everything
 
Tllmbrg said:
Well there are also the shots when Vox is just wrecking everything
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Isn't that the second shot that lasts a minute and a half? The one that goes through buildings and kills a bunch of dudes. Think that's the one I mentioned unless I missed one
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Isn't that the second shot that lasts a minute and a half? The one that goes through buildings and kills a bunch of dudes. Think that's the one I mentioned unless I missed one
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Pretty sure he does several shots there?
Anyways, ig if we're not shot counting then Lucifer just >>>> the calc's value
 
Tllmbrg said:
Pretty sure he does several shots there?
Anyways, ig if we're not shot counting then Lucifer just >>>> the calc's value
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From what I can tell checking the episode again it's just a single shot, just it lasts a minute and a half of Vox trying to horribly aim and take out Alastor.

Side note, Amazon ads suck. Tried to get to the one part of the episode had to sit through 2 minutes of ads just to watch it
 
Tllmbrg said:
I mean, we know angels as a whole expended creation, that's cosmic in nature, and we have someone like Vox just grab Emily with her not managing to get out.
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Emily had to put a ton of effort just to make the new Egg Boiz, don't think she's anywhere near the ones who expanded the universe.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Emily had to put a ton of effort just to make the new Egg Boiz, don't think she's anywhere near the ones who expanded the universe.
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"Make a effort" ahm, she just made a stupid face while she created life, everyone in the verse makes stupid faces in general.
Also even she says she has the same LEVEL has her sister (ranking)
 
Mythic381 said:
????
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You're worshipping WoG like it's the only thing we can use. On it's own, WoG means nothing, it might as well be shit dumped onto a plate.
ByArrow said:
You know we're not talking about whether hell and heaven are universe, right?
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Gaslighting works on people who actually are vulnerable to it.

The most you'll get away with is that they're very large plwnets because each ring has a sky. And these ***** have to be connected because Striker goes down from Pride to get to Wrath.
 
DaReaperMan said:
The most you'll get away with is that they're very large plwnets because each ring has a sky. And these ***** have to be connected because Striker goes down from Pride to get to Wrath.
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again, do we forget that Striker went DOWN and somehow got UP?
like, and the place is not a sphere EITHER (it is more of a plate)
 
Alexander said:
wow, it was true, VSBW really ignores things intentionally
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Mythic381 said:
Weren't y'all worshipping visual representations? Like that works better
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The minute anyone can show me where Heaven or Hell are stated to be universes in the shows, is the minute this will be accepted. Until then, it's unsubstantiated Word of God... aka, ******* nothing.
Alexander said:
again, do we forget that Striker went DOWN and somehow got UP?
like, and the place is not a sphere EITHER (it is more of a plate)
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When was the last time you watched Western Energy? Reddish sky is Pride, yellow sky is Wrath. Pride is the surface.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Gaslighting works on people who actually are vulnerable to it.

The most you'll get away with is that they're very large plwnets because each ring has a sky. And these ***** have to be connected because Striker goes down from Pride to get to Wrath.
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There are those damn stars in the sky. Stars.

In two of Hell's rings, we saw those damn stars in the sky. And none of the rings share the same sky. How can you claim that Hell and Heaven are planets despite the stars?

We are not discussing whether hell and heaven are universes at this moment. We are discussing whether hell and heaven are 4A.
 
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