But that specific line is about Неаven though, and that line is exactly what I care about when talking about population.
When I say that food is awaiting on kitchen to be eaten, I just mean that if you go to kitchen, there is food. It’s a basic figurative language lol.
Am I reading this right?
It doesn't just show Heaven and Angels, it shows Vox rising up there, and trampling around triumphantly.
Ngl I wonder if it’s a me problem or forum problem, because this happens to me all the time recently and I have to play around with the link to make it work.
You kind of neglecting the entire point of the song, and that while the "Once We Get Up There" tagline is about going to heaven, it is more about ascending to godhood like I said. The greater context is ruling both heaven and hell, not just rocking up to heaven and being given the throne. Like, literally, I don't know why you are taking the song so literally.
My thoughts exactly. Hell you could probably even argue they outnumber 2:1, making it like 66 billion sinners. I think that's a somewhat fair estimate for a stronger majority like the stomp both Vox and Sera imply hell could cause if they got to heaven with their weapons.
You do realize that the line was said in the specific segment of the song which talks about going up there and how many souls are awaiting them up there? Certain fragments of the song may deviate from the broader message from the song, don’t you think?
Meh, I think we've each kinda pleaded our cases on this point already. We're not really bringing up new info at this point.
Yeah, we're kinda running in circles where it's probably best just to pick whichever one more people agree on. That is if people don't have nay other problems with the calc.
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If you are gonna argue biblical origins for life in the Hellaverse, that just reduces the possible human population of Heaven and hell by a lot. You are reducing human existence from around 300,000 years to a couple thousand, so it would make even less sense for just heaven to have 100 billion people in it.
Most Bible interpretation (there is no specific data in it), put Earth creation at around 40000-6000 BC. According to best estimates significant majority of humans were born after this data. Figure of 80-100 would be broadly correct for Hellaverse(assuming all else equal)
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The profile lists billions of years though, I am going off of that.
we all know it's the latter gang
The point was that because it is based on judeo-christian lore, then the creation of the Earth along with Adam & Eve would also be loosely based on that and only be a couple thousand years old.
I think that might just be assuming incorrectly. At least, Lucifer's profile doesn't list a source, and in Season 1 Lucifer said "In the last 10,000 years, you're the first one to change this town".
Prove that it combines two antithetical ideas on the age of the earth and the age of humanity from two entirely different sources of history. Like genuinely, there are two more logical routes of thinking for this based on two consistent ideas. Either you think humans in the hellaverse have existed for a similar amount of time as they have in th real world, or you assume that because of the links to judeo-christian myth then they follow estimates based on that.
Also yeah this makes more sense.
Hell was made by accident and is explicitly overpopulated.
The overpopulation is not even true per-say, exterminations were started under a false pretense after all.
I already gave you an example antithetical to Judaism and Christianity. Quit being stubborn about this lol, none of the fiction 100% follows what it is inspired from.
I'm against you extrapolating differences in lore to assuming that the population can be arbitrarily bigger than any estimate without proper evidence. Hell, I don't even agree with the origins of earth being entirely biblical, but you assuming that if they aren't one to one, then the earth is billions of year old AND that humans have existed that entire period of time when there is no evidence to support that synthesis. The evidence points towards the earth having a young origin (i.e. Lucifer's 10,000 years statement) or estimates of the population of dead souls being similar to earth (100 billion souls TOTAL).
True, I didn't consider how even if you take a young earth idea into the equation, it would still include most humans due to how populations have only been much higher during recorded history. Still, we were just arguing over Orange combining two different things to overblow the population when we already have a fairly solid basis with the total population of both realms being 100 billion.
I’m not arbitrarily assuming. It's stated by Vox.
What? Did humans, like, die off at some moment and then magically reappear according to you?
Eh, the reason I argue that it’s only Sinners/Winners is because “souls” usually refer exclusively to them, at least from what I understand.
Because we aren't using visuals against a direct statement, we could say this planet is the size of Earth yes a quick pixel calc says it's the size of pluto.
