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I checked for that too, nothing indicated it being artificial, it was probably censorship.
I will note that she seems to qualify for type 2 via just surviving bisection, but if it has to go I won't be upset
Then it's ok.
I wouldn't call it type 2 anyway because she had to regenerate. A character qualifies for type 2 if they can survive normally deadly damage without the need of regenerating.

She knocks the hope out of him in the previous scan leading to him having a breakdown.
Ok, but what tells us it's really hope itself and not some other emotion, piece of soul or whatever? It's a really vague scan, nothing else in the comic is it said what she actually does to him?

Wiki is weird with what counts as sealing
Indeed, but my rule of thumb is that the feat doesn't have to be fully covered by another, less exotic ability.

Not that I know of, she was just going through a...phase IIRC. I'll have to double check
As the characters imply she'd normally be unable to do it, I'd prefer if you were to check, yes.

While I'd honestly prefer this, it seems like her powers render Tony's sensors unable to work or scan anything.
I'm still unsure, because it may just be that the sensors go into overload because they can't compute what magic is, so the malfunctioning is a byproduct of their inability to process certain data, rather than a direct consequence of a manipulation of their system.

The Endlings in the scans used for deconstruction were also literally stated to be deconstructing existence, and as I mentioned before I don't see a forcefield
I was more so indicating how they could warp space-time by affecting a pocket reality, yet SW survived it
My point is that we don't know how fast and how they do it, it may take more than the 2-3 seconds Wanda spent in its belly, and she still could not resist the Griever's deconstruction.
Also, there is a trail of red smoke, indicating Wanda's magic, when the Endling slams its jaws on her. But still, she may have conjured it right away.
There isn't solid enough evidence for resistance here, imho.

She and Thor were the only 2 to resist the dream stuff, and in Livequeen she won a dream battle against her in a dream dimension, indicating a powerful capability to resist dream attacks
Maybe we can call it "minor" or "limited" resistance, because she was indeed affected by the dream manipulation and, at least in the Livequeen battle, she managed to realize it and turn it into a lucid dream, thus gaining agency and rationality.

The Eliminator's mind fuckery still was useless against her when he thought it would instantly work, but I see what you're getting at
It wasn't useless from what I see, Wanda was clearly struggling and nothing indicates an instant wipe out, it could just be really quick, as the Eliminator talks about the end of their battle; Wanda is also freed instantly by external help, so that very likely interrumpted the erasure process.

She at least seems to power through the electric attack enough to counter, though I see where you're coming from
I'd still call it stamina because she doesn't seem to "power through it enough" to count as resistance, other than keep herself awake long enough for a last-ditch spell.

The Griever pushed her back with the sword yet her Darkhold form wasn't cut, just repelled
I'm questioning it because the flat-out say the sword's effect activate only when slashing (which is why Wanda can catch the sword with her hands), and in the supposed resistance she doesn't even touch the edge of the blade once, for her claws are blocked by the flat side, which is then used to push her away.
 
What Saman, Emirp, and I have all accepted here is probably fine to apply (but not what any of us objected to). Or did I forget evaluations from any other staff members here? 🙏
 
What Saman, Emirp, and I have all accepted here is probably fine to apply (but not what any of us objected to). Or did I forget evaluations from any other staff members here? 🙏
Well Saman has only discussed the SW stuff, not the stuff for the other 41 tabbers
 
Okay. Then we should probably wait for him to evaluate the rest of it as well before you can apply the other parts. 🙏
 
Okay. Then we should probably wait for him to evaluate the rest of it as well before you can apply the other parts. 🙏
I agree, especially since there's some not insignificant stuff so 3 staff revisions is better, plus Saman did have thoughts on the other stuff so it'd be improper to apply it beforehand
 
I want to tackle things in separate portions at a time, because we're already getting tangled discussing SW alone, and we can't realistically discuss 100+ proposals all at the same time.
 
Then it's ok.
I wouldn't call it type 2 anyway because she had to regenerate. A character qualifies for type 2 if they can survive normally deadly damage without the need of regenerating.
Ok
Ok, but what tells us it's really hope itself and not some other emotion, piece of soul or whatever? It's a really vague scan, nothing else in the comic is it said what she actually does to him?
It's still empathic manipulation, and nothing in the story contradicts her statement, especially as we see her knock something out of his body
I'm still unsure, because it may just be that the sensors go into overload because they can't compute what magic is, so the malfunctioning is a byproduct of their inability to process certain data, rather than a direct consequence of a manipulation of their system.
Tony couldn't sense anything in the area around him due to his fried sensors
My point is that we don't know how fast and how they do it, it may take more than the 2-3 seconds Wanda spent in its belly, and she still could not resist the Griever's deconstruction.
Also, there is a trail of red smoke, indicating Wanda's magic, when the Endling slams its jaws on her. But still, she may have conjured it right away.
There isn't solid enough evidence for resistance here, imho.
I still disagree, she often emanates red aura due to her magic, and nothing indicates a shield.

I think that it still warrants deconstruction resistance
Maybe we can call it "minor" or "limited" resistance, because she was indeed affected by the dream manipulation and, at least in the Livequeen battle, she managed to realize it and turn it into a lucid dream, thus gaining agency and rationality.
Not crazy about this
It wasn't useless from what I see, Wanda was clearly struggling and nothing indicates an instant wipe out, it could just be really quick, as the Eliminator talks about the end of their battle; Wanda is also freed instantly by external help, so that very likely interrumpted the erasure process.
Ok
I'd still call it stamina because she doesn't seem to "power through it enough" to count as resistance, other than keep herself awake long enough for a last-ditch spell.
Ok
I'm questioning it because the flat-out say the sword's effect activate only when slashing (which is why Wanda can catch the sword with her hands), and in the supposed resistance she doesn't even touch the edge of the blade once, for her claws are blocked by the flat side, which is then used to push her away.
Ok
 
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Then we should rely on those, evidence provided, and scrutinize what actually happens.
Ok, so here we go.

Regarding Scarlet Witch's connection to the Phoenix Force, it's shown from the get-go in Avengers vs X-Men that Scarlet Witch not only has a unique resistance to the power of the Phoenix Force, but is also the only one who can hurt it.

This is due to Wanda's chaos magic being the primal cosmic opposite of the Phoenix Force

She is not just stated to be the only one capable of hurting the hosts of the Phoenix Force due to her Chaos Magic (even against a Cyclops who had the power of the entire Phoenix Force inside him,with Hope Summers having to copy Wanda's powers to do the same), but is repeatedly shown doing so, with the scans in question showing that her powers can overwhelm those of Phoenix hosts to the point of briefly nullifying their Phoenix powers entirely and forcing them to leave their body. For reference, Herald level characters couldn't do squat against the Phoenix Five throughout the entire storyline.

She is also shown withstanding the raw power of the Phoenix Force multiple times in this run: Here and here.

Also, some other abilities I found for Scarlet Witch for your approval to add to the OP:

And for Quicksilver:

But this fight takes place in the Outer Void/Oblivion Void, which was depicted as the dimension of the universal manifestation of Oblivion, since the realm was described in universal terms as the void that competes with and loses to Universal Eternity's expansion within itself.
Didn't the main writer say that his intention was for the universal abstract stuff in the series to actually represent their multiversal selves, hence why we see realms from outside the multiverse like the White Hot Room as well as The One Above All being involved?
 
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Ok, so here we go.

Regarding Scarlet Witch's connection to the Phoenix Force, it's shown from the get-go in Avengers vs X-Men that Scarlet Witch not only has a unique resistance to the power of the Phoenix Force, but is also the only one who can hurt it.

This is due to Wanda's chaos magic being the primal cosmic opposite of the Phoenix Force

She is not just stated to be the only one capable of hurting the hosts of the Phoenix Force due to her Chaos Magic (even against a Cyclops who had the power of the entire Phoenix Force inside him,with Hope Summers having to copy Wanda's powers to do the same), but is repeatedly shown doing so, with the scans in question showing that her powers can overwhelm those of Phoenix hosts to the point of briefly nullifying their Phoenix powers entirely and forcing them to leave their body. For reference, Herald level characters couldn't do squat against the Phoenix Five throughout the entire storyline.

She is also shown withstanding the raw power of the Phoenix Force multiple times in this run: Here and here.

Also, some other abilities I found for Scarlet Witch for your approval to add to the OP:

And for Quicksilver:


Didn't the main writer say that his intention was for the universal abstract stuff in the series to actually represent their multiversal selves, hence why we see realms from outside the multiverse like the White Hot Room as well as The One Above All being involved?
Well because the writer is dumb and everyone hate him due to the things he did to the cosmology. Man, he ruin Al.ewing cosmology with his terrible writing
 
I will answer asap, I've been away for a few days and overall busy irl, but I'll get back to the thread.
 
I will answer asap, I've been away for a few days and overall busy irl, but I'll get back to the thread.
Ok, so here we go.

Regarding Scarlet Witch's connection to the Phoenix Force, it's shown from the get-go in Avengers vs X-Men that Scarlet Witch not only has a unique resistance to the power of the Phoenix Force, but is also the only one who can hurt it.

This is due to Wanda's chaos magic being the primal cosmic opposite of the Phoenix Force

She is not just stated to be the only one capable of hurting the hosts of the Phoenix Force due to her Chaos Magic (even against a Cyclops who had the power of the entire Phoenix Force inside him,with Hope Summers having to copy Wanda's powers to do the same), but is repeatedly shown doing so, with the scans in question showing that her powers can overwhelm those of Phoenix hosts to the point of briefly nullifying their Phoenix powers entirely and forcing them to leave their body. For reference, Herald level characters couldn't do squat against the Phoenix Five throughout the entire storyline.

She is also shown withstanding the raw power of the Phoenix Force multiple times in this run: Here and here.

Also, some other abilities I found for Scarlet Witch for your approval to add to the OP:

And for Quicksilver:

Don't forget about this when you reply
 
It's still empathic manipulation, and nothing in the story contradicts her statement, especially as we see her knock something out of his body
Yes, I'd just keep our explanation as vague as possible, considering we don't have a clear understanding of what she precisely did.

Tony couldn't sense anything in the area around him due to his fried sensors
It might be they overloaded trying to scan her and just couldn't proceed with more analyses, but anyway, it can work both ways I guess, as resistance and minor tech manip

I still disagree, she often emanates red aura due to her magic, and nothing indicates a shield.
I think that it still warrants deconstruction resistance
I see where you're coming from, but without direct indication of how and how fast the Endlings utlize their powers, when the Griever isn't directly spoon-feeding them, we can't tell if Wanda was supposed to be deconstructed immediately or those few seconds were just enough to retaliate.

Not crazy about this
I know, but it isn't a direct resistance for sure, since she was being affected in the first place and had to either fight her way out or be handed cues.

Regarding Scarlet Witch's connection to the Phoenix Force,
Ok, then I guess it works.
However, instead of giving her resistance to all the abilities of the Phoenix Force, I'd make her resistance to it in general (as the same abilities from different sources do affect her) and maybe toss some Durability Negation and Damage Reduction into it or something.

Also, some other abilities I found for Scarlet Witch for your approval to add to the OP:

And for Quicksilver:

These are good.


Aside from the points still contended in this post, have we reached a mutual agreement regarding all the other Scarlet Witch's proposals or do we have to settle on some things?
I'd ask for a summary but I know it could be long.
 
Yes, I'd just keep our explanation as vague as possible, considering we don't have a clear understanding of what she precisely did.


It might be they overloaded trying to scan her and just couldn't proceed with more analyses, but anyway, it can work both ways I guess, as resistance and minor tech manip


I see where you're coming from, but without direct indication of how and how fast the Endlings utlize their powers, when the Griever isn't directly spoon-feeding them, we can't tell if Wanda was supposed to be deconstructed immediately or those few seconds were just enough to retaliate.


I know, but it isn't a direct resistance for sure, since she was being affected in the first place and had to either fight her way out or be handed cues.


Ok, then I guess it works.
However, instead of giving her resistance to all the abilities of the Phoenix Force, I'd make her resistance to it in general (as the same abilities from different sources do affect her) and maybe toss some Durability Negation and Damage Reduction into it or something.


These are good.


Aside from the points still contended in this post, have we reached a mutual agreement regarding all the other Scarlet Witch's proposals or do we have to settle on some things?
I'd ask for a summary but I know it could be long.
The main thing left AFAIK is the stuff about the Endlings eating Wanda, but other than that we're basically good.

I'm also not sure what resistances to give Wanda based on what you said regarding the Phoenix, other than the obvious resistance to Fire Manipulation.
 
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Well because the writer is dumb and everyone hate him due to the things he did to the cosmology. Man, he ruin Al.ewing cosmology with his terrible writing
Are you referring to Brian Bendis, Steve Orlando, or Murewa Ayodele? I personally consider Al Ewing's cosmology work to be outstanding, and dislike when others are incompetently ruining it. 🙏
 
Anyway, I trust Saman's sense of judgement here. 🙏
 
I suppose that we will have to wait for Saman to gradually handle this then? 🙏
 
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