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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Insert Reaper’s mockery that he is some kind of philosophical genius stroking his chin mid-fight.
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Orange you twat, I AM scaling Al's shadow to High 6-A and additionally I scale his shield at High 6-A. The **** you want from me? Maybe he should upscale from Adam right for making him stroke his chin for a second, yeah that makes sense.
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
It’s just a ranged attack, stop glorifying the prick out of it.
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Agnaa said:
  1. I haven't exactly written all of this out, so I'm not 100% certain, but I think there's a good amount of variety among the people who prevented that explosion. Straight up dividing by 14 or whatever doesn't line up with this. "At most" technically works, but I kinda hate those ratings being used in situations like this, where it covers for a massive degree of uncertainty. I'd prefer just "Unknown, at least {concrete rating}, possibly far higher (contributed an unclear amount to etc.)"
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To clear something up, standard scaling chains 100% still apply.

We aren't saying Full Power Alastor and ******' Husk are in the same ballpark, they are on opposite ends of the scaling chain, most notably.
 
Drite77 said:
I don't really know this series, this person requested this calc about 22 days ago and he only updated me with the height of the characters yesterday, by that point I had forgotten any type of memory I had about those clips
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LOL, yeah that's fair speaking of which I still need to request a sun explosion calc later
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
While Alastor did lose to the Vees on purpose, it doesnt change the fact they were able to actually harm him with their attacks like Vox causing Alastor to bleed when he grappled him out of shadow form or Velvette being able to harm Al with her attacks
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Tbf that was while targeting his weak spot (injury). Same with Val punching him.

We still have Vel doing minor damage to his face though, so there’s that.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Does any other verse even do this?
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Yeah. I best remember my own calcs on this, so this and this do that, and they're accepted. (Hell, for the second one, a CGM suggested I use a slightly different, shorter timeframe due to some context, and I ended up agreeing).
Eden_Warlock99 said:
And in cases like this, where the weapon was using so little energy that the power source described it as a “bad tickle” and the moment it siphoned any more energy the whole thing overloaded and was about to explode?
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In cases like this, yeah it depends on context. I didn't remember the "bad tickle" stuff when I wrote that comment, and as you say there was a part where more was siphoned and that instance is used for a big calculation. Plus, while I could imagine someone being able to output "a bad tickle taken for 20 seconds", I'm not sure if they'd be able to output "a bad tickle taken for 3 hours" (I'm not saying either of these is precisely the case, they're demonstrative examples of extreme cases that could be treated differently).

There's a reason I said "I'm not sure if Lucifer should scale to the full value of the weapon, and the overlord-level characters stopping it from going haywire absolutely shouldn't". From the start, I remembered the latter scene a lot better, and knew that the former could have exculpating context.
ShionAH said:
I don't even see why it applies, the barrier was holding up and when it was gone the shockwaves were sent out instantly. So the feat we calculated would happen in a second (maybe less)
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On the side of the weapon after charging, yeah. So the weapon would be able to reach that tier through charging, and tanking the full force of that would scale.
 
Agnaa said:
Yeah. I best remember my own calcs on this, so this and this do that, and they're accepted. (Hell, for the second one, a CGM suggested I use a slightly different, shorter timeframe due to some context, and I ended up agreeing).

In cases like this, yeah it depends on context. I didn't remember the "bad tickle" stuff when I wrote that comment, and as you say there was a part where more was siphoned and that instance is used for a big calculation. Plus, while I could imagine someone being able to output "a bad tickle taken for 20 seconds", I'm not sure if they'd be able to output "a bad tickle taken for 3 hours" (I'm not saying either of these is precisely the case, they're demonstrative examples of extreme cases that could be treated differently).

There's a reason I said "I'm not sure if Lucifer should scale to the full value of the weapon, and the overlord-level characters stopping it from going haywire absolutely shouldn't". From the start, I remembered the latter scene a lot better, and knew that the former could have exculpating context.

On the side of the weapon after charging, yeah. So the weapon would be able to reach that tier through charging, and tanking the full force of that would scale.
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For the case of the Overheat, think of it like throwing a shield around a nuclear reactor wanting to explode, everything before the blast doesn't really matter

And honestly, we can just divide the result by the amount of seconds Emily was doing it for, since this is a fair point.
 
Agnaa said:
Yeah. I best remember my own calcs on this, so this and this do that, and they're accepted. (Hell, for the second one, a CGM suggested I use a slightly different, shorter timeframe due to some context, and I ended up agreeing).

In cases like this, yeah it depends on context. I didn't remember the "bad tickle" stuff when I wrote that comment, and as you say there was a part where more was siphoned and that instance is used for a big calculation. Plus, while I could imagine someone being able to output "a bad tickle taken for 20 seconds", I'm not sure if they'd be able to output "a bad tickle taken for 3 hours" (I'm not saying either of these is precisely the case, they're demonstrative examples of extreme cases that could be treated differently).

There's a reason I said "I'm not sure if Lucifer should scale to the full value of the weapon, and the overlord-level characters stopping it from going haywire absolutely shouldn't". From the start, I remembered the latter scene a lot better, and knew that the former could have exculpating context.

On the side of the weapon after charging, yeah. So the weapon would be able to reach that tier through charging, and tanking the full force of that would scale.
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Next thing I'd ask your opinion on is whether we should then divide the Emily result by 14
 
DaReaperMan said:
Next thing I'd ask your opinion on is whether we should then divide the Emily result by 14
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As I said earlier, idk how the whole scaling chain would work out.

But I'd think that Emily would be on the weaker end, without much way to reach up to the stronger characters in that feat. I'd say she should get "Unknown, at least {other substantiated tier}, possibly far higher (contributed an unclear degree to this)". Which also means I'd want it to be split fewer ways among the others that did more meaningfully contribute.
 
Will say, looking around the feats, the only real power feat I saw from her was compared to Vox..... whom she couldn't escape the grip of.

Gal can rely on that Seraphin scaling all she wants, buuuut she still gets below Vox in the stats
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Isn’t she a Seraphim though?
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I got the vibe that she was a newer/weaker one, and that seraphims aren't really combat-oriented.

Like, I'd think that if they were, some would've been sent down for the exterminations, since at least Sera approved of it.

(On the other hand, maybe they just needed angelic bodies, not necessarily the strongest ones, since they had Adam to handle any Big Bads, and the rest were thought to be immortal?)

And the mere fact she participated means she's got some strength to her, I just think she'll probably end up at the lowest band.
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
Will say, looking around the feats, the only real power feat I saw from her was compared to Vox..... whom she couldn't escape the grip of.

Gal can rely on that Seraphin scaling all she wants, buuuut she still gets below Vox in the stats
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She got restrained tbf, and it doesn’t really show power for such contexts, e. g. Alastor restrained General of Exorcists, doesn’t mean he is stronger.
 
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