Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Also, why don't we argue that Lucifer was drained and simply weaker at that point? We know the cannon works by draining him each separate time it's fired, and Lucifer looked more weaker each time, so the explosion doesn't actually scale to his full power?

Because he was shown kinda fine after the regular blasts.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Because he was shown kinda fine after the regular blasts.

Do you think this idea is too much cocaine or is it worth considering it?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Oh btw, think all the Vees should get a Mind Manip resistance since they're all unaffected by Velvette's Love Potion?

Only Vox uas shown a resistance to it. Velvette's poster doesnt have her actually drinking any of it and Val..... is Val so there's literally no way to actually tell from that alone if he's unaffected by it.

Are they probably, yeah, but I don't like including personal thoughts into profiles without the proper backing

 

[Mythic381]

Because he was shown kinda fine after the regular blasts.

Because he wasn't fully drained? Again, they drain him each time separately to the point he was weak as hell as it kept going on, which is why he inevitably passed out after the explosion.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Because he wasn't fully drained? Again, they drain him each time separately to the point he was weak as hell as it kept going on, which is why he inevitably passed out after the explosion.

You'd expect a man like lucifer to have more stamina when it comes to being drained. No wonder both Eve and Lilith left him.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Also, why don't we argue that Lucifer was drained and simply weaker at that point? We know the cannon works by draining him each separate time it's fired, and Lucifer looked more weaker each time, so the explosion doesn't actually scale to his full power?

The weapon itself started overloading, and don't think a machine that could handle High 6-A energy just fine would be pushed beyond its limits from a 6-C one.

 

[Mythic381]

You'd expect a man like lucifer to have more stamina when it comes to being drained. No wonder both Eve and Lilith left him.

Yo buddy, you ain't pulling either just because he couldn't keep them

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Why layered though? I don't remember the overlords themselves being hypnotized just the sinners, Zeezi's eyes were still green to me.

Ah never mind, I misremembered that everyone was hypnotized. We actually see Overlords NOT being hypnotized after looking closer.

So just Mind Resistance to Overlords.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Only Vox uas shown a resistance to it. Velvette's poster doesnt have her actually drinking any of it and Val..... is Val so there's literally no way to actually tell from that alone if he's unaffected by it.

Are they probably, yeah, but I don't like including personal thoughts into profiles without the proper backing

Ahem. Vibes scaling exists. You are supposed to be Velvette out of me-Reaper-you Vees trio and you cannot spread agenda by simple vibes scaling? Pathetic...

 

[Stellar_Fish]

The weapon itself started overloading, and don't think a machine that could handle High 6-A energy just fine would be pushed beyond its limits from a 6-C one.

When Carmilla said that the machine would overload Lucifer was heavy-breathing and sweating profusely tho so it looks like it did drain all or almost all of Lucifer's energy before that point.

 

[Mythic381]

The weapon itself started overloading, and don't think a machine that could handle High 6-A energy just fine would be pushed beyond its limits from a 6-C one.

Carmilla seemed to indicate it was overloading because it was used too much, as she says "firing anymore will overload the weapon."

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yo buddy, you ain't pulling either just because he couldn't keep them

Vox can do Valentino for hours, while Lucifer couldn't even last one of proper draining.

 

[Mythic381]

Vox can do Valentino for hours, while Lucifer couldn't even last one of proper draining.

Hey chat, can we make the same weapon and test it on DaReaperMan, I need to know his stamina level.

 

[Alexander]

Vox can do Valentino for hours, while Lucifer couldn't even last one of proper draining.

Lilith definitely has A LOT of durability and A LOT of stamina, to take Lucifer

 

[Alexander]

Hey chat, can we make the same weapon and test it on DaReaperMan, I need to know his stamina level.

mine's is 5 minutes...or it could be longer.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Ahem. Vibes scaling exists. You are supposed to be Velvette out of me-Reaper-you Vees trio and you cannot spread agenda by simple vibes scaling? Pathetic...

Chillax Orange, its about picking the right fights. If they see we are reasonable about the small things then they are more likely to agree with the bigger things

"It doesn't matter where you put the state's capital, cuz we'll have the banks. We're in the same spots"

 

[Mythic381]

When Carmilla said that the machine would overload Lucifer was heavy-breathing and sweating profusely tho so it looks like it did drain all or almost all of Lucifer's energy before that point.

Trust us, with your scaling opinions

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Are Overlords as strong as they purport
Or is it based on their support
They'd be Tier 8 bums without the final song

It's probably cringe but still true...

 

[DarkLock92]

It's probably cringe but still true...

A win is a win.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

If I ever revise the samurai jack profiles, Aku vs Alastor would be cool

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

So uh just to make sure that we all actually agree with this (since idk it seems there is still some opposition and general reluctance to this approach), because if yes we better start reworking sandboxes:

• Like this comment if you agree with 6-A meta for Overlords and higher
• Reply to this comment with "Shion is a manbaby" if not (and write the reason ig)

 

[Mythic381]

Anyways just to recap this whole "everyone scales to High 6-A" shit

Also, why don't we argue that Lucifer was drained and simply weaker at that point? We know the cannon works by draining him each separate time it's fired, and Lucifer looked more weaker each time, so the explosion doesn't actually scale to his full power?

Because he wasn't fully drained? Again, they drain him each time separately to the point he was weak as hell as it kept going on, which is why he inevitably passed out after the explosion.

When Carmilla said that the machine would overload Lucifer was heavy-breathing and sweating profusely tho so it looks like it did drain all or almost all of Lucifer's energy before that point.

Carmilla seemed to indicate it was overloading because it was used too much, as she says "firing anymore will overload the weapon."

Trust us, with your scaling opinions

Anybody have problems or does this seem fair?

 

[Stellar_Fish]

So uh just to make sure that we all actually agree with this (since idk it seems there is still some opposition and general reluctance to this approach), because if yes we better start reworking sandboxes:

• Like this comment if you agree with 6-A meta for Overlords and higher
• Reply to this comment with "Shion is a manbaby" if not (and write the reason ig)

Ngl my idea of multiplying Lucifer's full energy by the number of times the weapon was fired was kind of a joke at first, but it actually might work, considering Lucifer got progressively more drained based on what the series tells you, so 20 exatons is basically a fraction of his full power, which would be all the energy the machine released over time. (I rewatched part of the episode)
I counted the number of times the machine shot, it got:
1. First shot against Alastor
2. Second shot destroys Baxter's computer
3. Third long shot against all of city (Here Carmilla and Vaggie try to stop the machine)
4. Three more extra shots trying to kill Alastor
5. Another shot, the one which hit Emily
6. Vox tried to shoot another time but Val stopped him, this is when the machine overloaded so it drained all of Lucifer's energy at that point.
And of course, adding the shot that destroyed Heaven's shield.

That's basically 9, so if Lucifer's full energy is 9 times 20, that would make him be 180 exatons, which is pretty solidly into Moon level.
We could also consider the time, like the first shot, which destroyed the shield, lasted only a few moments while a lot of these shots Vox did lasted much longer, so the (amount of time Vox shot / the amount of time the first shot lasted)*20 exatons + the energy of the first shot could also be another way of doing this, although less concrete.

What do you guys think?

 

[Mythic381]

Ngl my idea of multiplying Lucifer's full energy by the number of times the weapon was fired was kind of a joke at first, but it actually might work, considering Lucifer got progressively more drained based on what the series tells you, so 20 exatons is basically a fraction of his full power, which would be all the energy the machine released over time. (I rewatched part of the episode)
I counted the number of times the machine shot, it got:
1. First shot against Alastor
2. Second shot destroys Baxter's computer
3. Third long shot against all of city (Here Carmilla and Vaggie try to stop the machine)
4. Three more extra shots trying to kill Alastor
5. Another shot, the one which hit Emily
6. Vox tried to shoot another time but Val stopped him, this is when the machine overloaded so it drained all of Lucifer's energy at that point.
And of course, adding the shot that destroyed Heaven's shield.

That's basically 9, so if Lucifer's full energy is 9 times 20, that would make him be 180 exatons, which is pretty solidly into Moon level.
We could also consider the time, like the first shot, which destroyed the shield, lasted only a few moments while a lot of these shots Vox did lasted much longer, so the (amount of time Vox shot / the amount of time the first shot lasted)*20 exatons + the energy of the first shot could also be another way of doing this, although less concrete.

What do you guys think?

Holy yap.

What do you guys think?

Yeah I agree.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Holy yap.

Yeah I agree.

5-C Lucifer goes hard ngl

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

That's basically 9, so if Lucifer's full energy is 9 times 20, that would make him be 180 exatons, which is pretty solidly into Moon level.

That falls under Multipliers or Calc Stacking rules I believe.

We basically just don't do that here.

 

[Mythic381]

That falls under Multipliers or Calc Stacking rules I believe.

We basically just don't do that here.

That sounds a bit stupid, might have to ask about it later.

Anyways with our logic they aren't scaling to High 6-A anymore, so.................. W?

 

[Stellar_Fish]

That falls under Multipliers or Calc Stacking rules I believe.

We basically just don't do that here.

It's not really a calculation, the machine drains Lucifer's energy so all you're doing is multiplying it for the amount of times it drained his energy which is basically the same as dividing the explosion by the amount of people which stopped it, in fact it's pretty much the inverse of doing that, and the multiplier thing is more related to how powerful a character became from what I'm reading, not really about the full energy of a character who using a fraction of his energy did something.

Idk, I think a staff member would have to decide.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

That sounds a bit stupid, might have to ask about it later.

Anyways with our logic they aren't scaling to High 6-A anymore, so.................. W?

Well we do this for other verses and it works here because they actually protect the Hell from being nuked, we divide it by 14 because there are 14 of them who did that.

While multiplying attack by the amounts of time how many times the attack was made: do you realize characters with Danmaku would get so hyperinflated? Yea that's different.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

While multiplying attack by the amounts of time how many times the attack was made: do you realize characters with Danmaku would get so hyperinflated? Yea that's different.

This is totally different: The weapon is explicitly shown to drain Lucifer's energy every time is shot, it got shot once and it hit 20 exatons, then it shot another 8 times and fully drained Lucifer, pretty straightforward, danmaku characters are usually not shown to be using a fraction of their energy to create their attacks or things like that. I think my logic is solid.

 

[Mythic381]

Well we do this for other verses and it works here because they actually protect the Hell from being nuked, we divide it by 14 because there are 14 of them who did that.

While multiplying attack by the amounts of time how many times the attack was made: do you realize characters with Danmaku would get so hyperinflated? Yea that's different.

It still makes sense, no? It's not like it makes sense for you to just create energy out of nowhere after you've just been "fully" drained.

 

[Mythic381]

This is totally different: The weapon is explicitly shown to drain Lucifer's energy every time is shot, it got shot once and it hit 20 exatons, then it shot another 8 times and fully drained Lucifer, pretty straightforward, danmaku characters are usually not shown to be using a fraction of their energy to create their attacks or things like that. I think my logic is solid.

Just probably ask a mod or a calc evaluator before advancing with this idea.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

So uh just to make sure that we all actually agree with this (since idk it seems there is still some opposition and general reluctance to this approach), because if yes we better start reworking sandboxes:

• Like this comment if you agree with 6-A meta for Overlords and higher
• Reply to this comment with "Shion is a manbaby" if not (and write the reason ig)

Shion is a manboy who couldn't even upgrade Saiki

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

This is totally different: The weapon is explicitly shown to drain Lucifer's energy every time is shot, it got shot once and it hit 20 exatons, then it shot another 8 times and fully drained Lucifer, pretty straightforward, danmaku characters are usually not shown to be using a fraction of their energy to create their attacks or things like that. I think my logic is solid.

But not every single of his punches drains him, eh?

Honestly, probably you're right that it'd be better to clarify from a mod, but I'm 96.7% sure they will say we can't do that.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Something something Omniman/Garou/Ichigo/Thanos/etc vs Niffty according to VSBW

Complete Shigaraki going high diff against Alastor according to VSBW

 

[Stellar_Fish]

But not every single of his punches drains him, eh?

Actually I've seen accepted calculations doing things like "This character did this feat punching 20 times so his actual energy is 1/20 of that"

 

[Mythic381]

But not every single of his punches drains him, eh?

Honestly, probably you're right that it'd be better to clarify from a mod, but I'm 96.7% sure they will say we can't do that.

This doesn't seem to concern the fact that Lucifer was clearly weakened as hell and not at full power at the time of the explosion, so I don't see any reason why the explosion should scale to all initial shots from the laser, no? Or am I still missing something?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Complete Shigaraki going high diff against Alastor according to VSBW

Shigaraki when Alastor turns into a shadow to avoid Decay

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Actually I've seen accepted calculations doing things like "This character did this feat punching 20 times so his actual energy is 1/20 of that"

Yea, they scale it to one punch despite 20 punches producing the feat. Same here: we would take his single blast, not addition of all of hisblasts to scale.

 

[Mythic381]

Yea, they scale it to one punch despite 20 punches producing the feat.

How does that even make sense?