Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[Stellar_Fish]

Getting a horse kick to the spine is worse than both

Still not a real hit

And he got his ass caught moments later lol, he is faster sure but not like much faster.

Yeah, and he was mocking him for being slower

Straight up headcanon on Lucifers intention, try again.

Wdym head canon? He was literally talking to Adam while he kicked him

Yeah because Adam is a damn tank, he had a nose bleed from a surprise attack which is really impressive especially when its someone stronger.

Stop saying "He had a nose bleed." He got launched tens of meters, bounced, took a moment to come back to the fight crawling. That is not just "a nosebleed"

Is he stupid?

Yeah he is, I thought season 2 was pretty clear about it.

No this is when he gets serious, that was a serious bloodlusted Lucifer strike.

He was angry but he still was holding Charlie in his hands so he obviously didn't use his full strength not to hurt Charlie, who, again, needed help to stop a High 6-C explosion and yet stopped Adam's punch.

 

[ShionAH]

I am gonna sleep.

Surprise Punch (Casual) = Nose Bleed and One Bruise

Horse Double Kick to Spine (Casual) = No Damage

Backhand Slap (Serious) = Mask breaks

11 Serious Demon Form Burning Bloodlused Punches = One Bruise and some Bleeding

Lucifer dodges his punches and Holy Light throughout the entire fight including when Charlie and Hotel were in the danger zone

Please guys, lets be fr. Is this the guy thats supposed to BARELY scale to High 6-A that gave Lucifer a bad tickle?

 

[Mythic381]

TheOrangeGuy09/Old Timey Prick Bambi

vsbattles.fandom.com

I'm just going off of the Al expert here

I feel like this page fr needs a lot of stuff removed, feels cramped with stuff that aren't necessary.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Yo quick question for Hazbin scalers.

How big is the gap between the "normal" overlords and Peak Vox, power-wise? (By normal I mean folks like Husk and the rest of the Vees)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Send? I never found it, IIRC wiki only says that he doesn't know he is ace but nothing beyond that.

it's from a stream 4-5 years ago, I can try and find it, and if I do, i will send it... (Though the keyword is believes)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Please guys, lets be fr. Is this the guy thats supposed to BARELY scale to High 6-A that gave Lucifer a bad tickle?

Bad tickle? The one that made him barely able to stand on legs?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yo quick question for Hazbin scalers.

How big is the gap between the "normal" overlords and Peak Vox, power-wise? (By normal I mean folks like Husk and the rest of the Vees)

Normal 6-Cs<Zestial<W!Alastor<100% Vox.

Decent scaling chain.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I feel like this page fr needs a lot of stuff removed, feels cramped with stuff that aren't necessary.

Nuh uh, more supportive the better.

Yo quick question for Hazbin scalers.

How big is the gap between the "normal" overlords and Peak Vox, power-wise? (By normal I mean folks like Husk and the rest of the Vees)

Given how weakened Alastor doesn't consider base Vox a challenge and 100% Vox is stronger than that, and Vox is kind of strongest of the Vs, I'd say it's enormous.

 

[ShionAH]

Charlie, who, again, needed help to stop a High 6-C explosion and yet stopped Adam's punch.

Charlie Yap

Yall both are aware what a true form is right? Charlie can’t just use it, she couldn’t use it even when Sir Pentious died. Its not just something she could have whipped out during the finale. This is a non issue

Bad tickle? The one that made him barely able to stand on legs?

Wasnt he fine after the first beam we calculated?

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Surprise Punch (Casual) = Nose Bleed and One Bruise

Barely came back to the fight and was almost an instant K.O*

Horse Double Kick to Spine (Casual) = No Damage

A hit which wasn't intending to damage him*

Backhand Slap (Serious) = Mask breaks

Bro lost getting bitchslapped by a base Lucifer

11 Serious Demon Form Burning Bloodlused Punches = One Bruise and some Bleeding

Bro lost getting bitchslapped by a base Lucifer yet he endures this for some reason

Lucifer dodges his punches and Holy Light throughout the entire fight including when Charlie and Hotel were in the danger zone

Lucifer was blatantly making fun of his speed*



Look, here, there are two teas:
Adam is 6-C with High 6-A durability.
Or he just gets 6-C and got plot armor to not be killed by Lucifer.
I'm fine with either option if you guys choose it, but I'll obviously go for the second one since it is more convenient in a VSBW scenario. Adam fully scaling to Lucifer is completely unacceptable.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yall both are aware what a true form is right? Charlie can’t just use it, she couldn’t use it even when Sir Pentious died. Its not just something she could have whipped out during the finale. This is a non issue

• Transformation (Demons possess a true form which they can enter during a fit of extreme rage or during combat.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Demon_Physiology_(Hazbin_Hotel)#cite_note-:0-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> Typically, these transformations heavily alter one's bodily proportions and shape, increasing their height and length of their appendages,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Demon_Physiology_(Hazbin_Hotel)#cite_note-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> the sharpness of their claws or teeth,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Demon_Physiology_(Hazbin_Hotel)#cite_note-3"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a> or completely transform them into a monster,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Demon_Physiology_(Hazbin_Hotel)#cite_note-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> while others merely make the demon appear more malicious without much of a modification. Some exceptions, such as Charlie, can enter and exit their true form at will,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Demon_Physiology_(Hazbin_Hotel)#cite_note-:0-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> usually as an intimidation tactic. Demons are also capable of blending into the living world by disguising themselves as humans<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Demon_Physiology_(Hazbin_Hotel)#cite_note-5"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a> near-instantaneously<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Demon_Physiology_(Hazbin_Hotel)#cite_note-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Demon_Physiology_(Hazbin_Hotel)#cite_note-:2-7"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a> and return to normal even faster.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Demon_Physiology_(Hazbin_Hotel)#cite_note-8"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a>)

Wasnt he fine after the first beam we calculated?

I referred to explosion. IIRC it gave him "bad tickle" too, no?

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Yall both are aware what a true form is right? Charlie can’t just use it, she couldn’t use it even when Sir Pentious died. Its not just something she could have whipped out during the finale. This is a non issue

This is headcanon, she transformed when she got mad at Val, and she transformed while singing on the pilot, so unless you have some real sources proving this no one will believe it.

 

[Mythic381]

This is headcanon, she transformed when she got mad at Val, and she transformed while singing on the pilot, so unless you have some real sources proving this no one will believe it.

Pretty sure he means the transformation she used to block Adam's attack.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

I feel like this page fr needs a lot of stuff removed, feels cramped with stuff that aren't necessary.

Human level, Street level with knife (As a serial killer, possesses knife to murder his victims<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>) | At least Island level, likely far higher (As a human, Alastor made a deal with Rosie<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> that he will become the most powerful,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> the strongest Sinner in all of Hell,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> which enabled him an unimaginable level of raw power no mortal soul had ever attained, rivaling Hell's most destructive evils and overthrowing Overlords who have ruled for centuries overnight,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-PILOT-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> thus being massively superior to other Sinners such as Zestial and Vox. Should be massively superior to his weakened self, who was still the most powerful Sinner.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> Implied to have beaten Vox in the past,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> which was also implied by Valentino,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP2-13"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a> and in both cases Vox's reaction was heavily negative<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP2-13"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> and even implying himself that he lost the last fight,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> with Alastor having implied that the other Vees intervened in a fight to help Vox, which is supported by their reaction.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP2-13"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a> Husk considers Vees to be "nobodies" compared to Alastor given previous fight(s),<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> and was sure that he would take on Vox and Velvette combined if they try to harm them.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP3-31"><span>[</span>31<span>]</span></a> Vox was terrified from Alastor threatening him,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP2-13"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a> and was later scared seeing him again.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP2-13"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a> As an Overlord, being one of the most powerful beings in Hell,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-PILOT-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> he stands far above the other mortal souls in Hell's social hierarchy<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-32"><span>[</span>32<span>]</span></a> and is not a force to be trifled with.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-33"><span>[</span>33<span>]</span></a> Is one of the few demons capable of using magic, as his power far exceeds that of average demons.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-QNA-10"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a> Is considered "all-powerful" by his character bio), at most Multi-Continent level+ with strongest attacks (In Demon Form, slightly damaged Аdаm by restraining him and damaged him by throwing him into the wall via the tentacles enhanced with electricity.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP8-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> With his shadow, harmed Аdаm,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP8-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> making him stroke his chin and ask Alastor if he thinks of himself as "tough sh*t".<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP8-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> Him arriving to the hotel scared even Charlie,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-PILOT-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> and both Vaggie and he himself also implied that he could have being a serious threat to everyone in the Hotel if he wanted to do so,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-PILOT-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> which would include Charlie as well. Charlie also later thought that Alastor was the best pick against Аdаm over herself.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP8-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> It should be noted, however, that he never stood a chance to truly defeat him,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP8-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> and Аdаm himself is portrayed inferior to Lucifer,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP8-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> being heavily beaten up by him once he got serious, even though still endured the punches<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP8-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a>) | At least Island level, likely higher (Got his staff broken and himself severely injured by Аdаm,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S1EP8-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> which severely weakened him<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> and made him "lacking power"<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> according to Alastor himself. It is further supported by Vox stating that the wound from Аdаm makes him weaker<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> and him occassionally struggling to use his magic,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> requiring him to sometimes tap on his broken cane to make use of it.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> Nevertheless, he is still the most powerful Sinner despite the broken staff and scars,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> being able to fight all three Vs at once for an extended period of time,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> thus still being superior to likes of Zestial and Vox, and was implied to still have a power to make a crucial contribution to stopping the overheat of Vox's "Might of Lilith" superweapon.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP8-34"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a> While intending to lose as part of his larger plan,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP7-35"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP8-34"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a> Knocked out Vox for a considerable amount of time,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> and later knocked him away with tentacles,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> and knocked out Velvette for some time by slamming her into the car,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> all in a fight which he deliberately intended to lose as a part of his larger plan.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> He himself later confessed that he never viewed Vox as a challenge before the latter gained 100% approval and became most powerful Sinner.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP8-34"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a> Rosie stated that Alastor's soul was unlike anything she's ever seen before at the time when Alastor was still a human and before they made a deal<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP4-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>), even higher with Demon Form (Fought Vox when he had 100% approval and was the strongest Sinner,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP8-34"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a> being able to punch him away,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP8-34"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a> rip out his wires,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP8-34"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a> and even slice him in half with a charged attack<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheOrangeGuy09/Old_Timey_Prick_Bambi#cite_note-S2EP8-34"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a>)

Woah

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

some real sources

Is this good enough of an argument to downplay a female character i.e. Charlie?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Woah

Yes I love yapping and as much of supportive as possible

 

[ShionAH]

Barely came back to the fight and was almost an instant K.O*

Just lying, are you perhaps a TV?

A hit which wasn't intending to damage him*

WHAT? Why? You are making shit up dude its pissing me off, he wanted to hurt him and he did hurt him literally moments beforee

Bro lost getting bitchslapped by a base Lucifer yet he endures this for some reason

Look, here, there are two teas:
Adam is 6-C with High 6-A durability.
Or he just gets 6-C and got plot armor to not be killed by Lucifer.
I'm fine with either option if you guys choose it, but I'll obviously go for the second one since it is more convenient in a VSBW scenario. Adam fully scaling to Lucifer is completely unacceptable.

Nah. Adam just downscales to Lucifer, thats how he is portrayed. We are NOT going with that second option either way because that is absolutely ******* absurd

This is headcanon, she transformed when she got mad at Val, and she transformed while singing on the pilot, so unless you have some real sources proving this no one will believe it.

Stellar are you ******* with me son? We clearly see the tranformed Charlie got low diffed while true form Charlie shocked Adam (who considers transformed Charlie a joke)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yes I love yapping and as much as supportive as possible

Yep! Which is why the human key I forced you to put on there is the funniest shit.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Just gonna ask, how do we deal with scans and copyright?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Just gonna ask, how do we deal with scans and copyright?

We don't, for the time being. We can use YouTube scans for args, but otherwise...

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

If copyright was a problem TMS would've assassinated me years ago

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yep! Which is why the human key I forced you to put on there is the funniest shit.

Alastor Sinner keys justifications:

\


Alastor human key justification:

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Alastor human key justification:

Speed: "Was shot lol"

 

[ShionAH]

Orange yo uhh so whats up with the “Hurt Adam by slamming him into a wall” pal buddy chum champ?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Speed: "Was shot lol"

Don't underplay it... He tried to tank it...

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

pal buddy chum champ?

Is this a reference?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Anyway, anyone got anything for Human Vox to use? Reaper said that him swinging around that spotlight would be 9-C but I dont know what his exact stats are

 

[Mythic381]

Nuh uh, more supportive the better.

Why we have:

"Implied to have beaten Vox" If we know that Alastor already won? He was the strongest sinner and Vox didn't deny it when they spoke about it last time, just say he's the strongest sinner.

"Was scared" Why does that matter if he beat him anyways?

"Restraining him" remove that part, that's just LS.

"Ask if Alastor thinks he's tough shit" I'm pretty sure stroking your chin is enough indication.

"Him arriving at the Hotel scared Charlie" Sure, but she was also scared of Katie Killjoy, that doesn't imply superiority, just that they're terrifying demons.

"Charlie thought he'd be a better pick to fight Adam" Maybe because he's the more experienced fighter? Unless you're trying to say he's stronger, which there's no way you believe Alastor > Charlie in terms of power is true.

"Never stood a chance to truly defeat him" Why do we need that here? Just put it in Adam's page.

I'm also 100% sure you don't need every goddamn scan that implies Alastor was weaker after losing to Adam, just use the fact he was struggling to use his magic rather than cramping it with all of that.

I don't think you need to add all of the "intended to lose" parts, just say he knocked them out.

It feels like you're making a CRT rather than making a character profile.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Just lying, are you perhaps a TV?

No it's quite an objective description of what happened, that single punch damaged Adam way more than the angry barrage as I said a thousand times before, repeating nosebleed won't change that.

WHAT? Why? You are making shit up dude its pissing me off, he wanted to hurt him and he did hurt him literally moments beforee

Lucifer was making fun of him while he kicked him what makes you think that he wanted to seriously hurt him considering whenever he attacked him with actually bad intent Adam instantly folded

Nah. Adam just downscales to Lucifer, thats how he is portrayed. We are NOT going with that second option either way because that is absolutely ******* absurd

That's not how he is portrayed, that lingers entirely on the angry barrage which you obviously didn't justify because you know it's incoherent, the second option is less absurd than yours.

Stellar are you ******* with me son? We clearly see the tranformed Charlie got low diffed while true form Charlie shocked Adam (who considers transformed Charlie a joke)

She hurt him with her fork, so she's just likely a very bad fighter, which is completely coherent with her character; we didn't even see the fight so.

You're pretty much repeating your wrong points now so if you keep going I'll just ignore u ngl

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Yo quick question for Hazbin scalers.

How big is the gap between the "normal" overlords and Peak Vox, power-wise? (By normal I mean folks like Husk and the rest of the Vees)

Think we're still scaling the regular overlords to the Alastor that could fight on-par with 100% Vox since Valentino could make him bleed with a punch.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Why we have:

"Implied to have beaten Vox" If we know that Alastor already won? He was the strongest sinner and Vox didn't deny it when they spoke about it last time, just say he's the strongest sinner.

"Was scared" Why does that matter if he beat him anyways?

"Restraining him" remove that part, that's just LS.

"Ask if Alastor thinks he's tough shit" I'm pretty sure stroking your chin is enough indication.

"Him arriving at the Hotel scared Charlie" Sure, but she was also scared of Katie Killjoy, that doesn't imply superiority, just that they're terrifying demons.

"Charlie thought he'd be a better pick to fight Adam" Maybe because he's the more experienced fighter? Unless you're trying to say he's stronger, which there's no way you believe Alastor > Charlie in terms of power is true.

"Never stood a chance to truly defeat him" Why do we need that here? Just put it in Adam's page.

I'm also 100% sure you don't need every goddamn scan that implies Alastor was weaker after losing to Adam, just use the fact he was struggling to use his magic rather than cramping it with all of that.

I don't think you need to add all of the "intended to lose" parts, just say he knocked them out.

It feels like you're making a CRT rather than making a character profile.

Yeah it's actually weird, people only need one or two reasons for a scaling and the hardcore logic should be in CRTs and schtick

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

"Him arriving at the Hotel scared Charlie" Sure, but she was also scared of Katie Killjoy, that doesn't imply superiority, just that they're terrifying demons.

She wasn't scared that Katie can kill them though.

"Charlie thought he'd be a better pick to fight Adam" Maybe because he's the more experienced fighter? Unless you're trying to say he's stronger, which there's no way you believe Alastor > Charlie in terms of power is true.

Because why would Charlie send a friend that can't do a single thing to fight someone?

"Never stood a chance to truly defeat him" Why do we need that here? Just put it in Adam's page.

Frankly this was Reaper's request.

Rest, again, is just supportive, and I love supportives.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Think we're still scaling the regular overlords to the Alastor that could fight on-par with 100% Vox since Valentino could make him bleed with a punch.

Nah, he hit in his weak spot if you look at it, i.e. his injury.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Think we're still scaling the regular overlords to the Alastor that could fight on-par with 100% Vox since Valentino could make him bleed with a punch.

No what lmao we're massively upscaling super overlords above them normal ones we just don't have anything too solid yet

 

[Stellar_Fish]

No what lmao we're massively upscaling super overlords above them normal ones we just don't have anything too solid yet

ngl it's kinda sad how 100% Vox doesn't have any potent AP feat that would make the scaling go much smoother

 

[Mythic381]

She wasn't scared that Katie can kill them though.

Where was it implied she was scared Alastor could've done that?

Because why would Charlie send a friend that can't do a single thing to fight someone?

Because he's the experienced figher/strong overlord? She doesn't know Adam's power level either, just that he's the leader of exorcists, hence decided to get the strongest person who is willing to help at that time, and I'd honestly predict that Alastor volunteered to do it anyways, he's egotistical, he obviously would.

Frankly this was Reaper's request.

Well it's useless.

 

[Mythic381]

If copyright was a problem TMS would've assassinated me years ago

"You're dead, you just don't know it yet."

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Nah, he hit in his weak spot if you look at it, i.e. his injury.

Do remember you argued they're still relative due to Alastor having to dodge that one Vox attack and such.

No what lmao we're massively upscaling super overlords above them normal ones we just don't have anything too solid yet

I really only consider something to be massively upscaling if there's like at least one one-shot in there somewhere ya know?
Just being vaguely stronger does jack all in Versus Threads.

 

[ShionAH]

No it's quite an objective description of what happened, that single punch damaged Adam way more than the angry barrage as I said a thousand times before, repeating nosebleed won't change that.

Nope, saying it KOed him is a lie. Cry about it.

Lucifer was making fun of him while he kicked him what makes you think that he wanted to seriously hurt him considering whenever he attacked him with actually bad intent Adam instantly folded

Why tf not? Adam almost choked Charlie? He also showscased he wants to hurt him with that punch, tell me why he suddenly changed his mind or I will ignore you

That's not how he is portrayed, that lingers entirely on the angry barrage which you obviously didn't justify because you know it's incoherent, the second option is less absurd than yours.

I didnt justify it because its a direct feat, you can scream about how its plot armor. I really dont give a shit.

She hurt him with her fork, so she's just likely a very bad fighter, which is completely coherent with her character; we didn't even see the fight so.

Angelic Weapons. Transformed Charlie is leagues below Adam, her only feat comes from AW

You're pretty much repeating your wrong points now so if you keep going I'll just ignore u ngl

OH BOOO HOOO , come back to me when you actually have arguments other than “plot armour” and lies

 

[Stellar_Fish]

I really only consider something to be massively upscaling if there's like at least one one-shot in there somewhere ya know?
Just being vaguely stronger does jack all in Versus Threads.

I'm pretty sure there's more than one one-shot between them we just don't have enough info to prove it yet