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****** up what I meant to say. I meant why would they be dura neg cause I don’t see why.
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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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Eden_Warlock99
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1) Charlie scales to Adam rn 2) Alastor will also scale 3) Rosie should be on par with him, and wouldn't have fixed his staff if she could've just stopped it by herself
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Yeah I dont think dura-neg works for them since they aren't shown such properties (theyd need to actually harm something we know is more durable then them to count)
As of now, they just have crazy upscale for AP
As of now, they just have crazy upscale for AP
DarkLock92
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Actually yeah that makes more sense
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Shion I have heard every single one of your arguments to other people, and they didn't legit convince me then, this is the most you're getting out of me.
Let's see the High 6-As here: Charlie, who wasn't in Full Demon Form to even be DEBATABLY High 6-A
Alastor, who is not FP in that scene, he's still injured, just stronger than before
Emily, who has zero reason to scale to it at all for above reasons
And nobody else.
Talk to Orange's rushed ass CRT.
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This is another reason why scaling Adam to Lucifer is problematic, since Charlie decided to join all of Hell to stop the explosion instead of transforming and stopping it instantly with her multi-continent level magic
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Why is DaReaperMan so based ngl, he should be a thread mod
Mythic381
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Or, they only work while restraining people, seems like a weird condition but is literally all that can be argued, you can't just dismiss the king of hell not being able to use his powers because Angelic steel is around him.
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Eden_Warlock99
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Yeah this is just a repeat of my last arg (And the a bit above this post too), the scene makes no narrative sense if Charlie could've stopped it singlehandedly whenever.
He got his staff fixed, he isn't even that injured too either so ???
Rosie should also obviously be stronger or at least on par with the Alastor she empowered to be at that level in the first place.
And again, never mentioned Emily.
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imagine being able to counter act time travel, by cloning yourself
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Haven't read the whole argument, i think the point was talking about rosie actually doing another deal with alastor just so he can help them because he wasn't going to,implying even the weaker Al was going to do a meaningful contribution with or without rosie's help
DarkLock92
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Funny how that problem disappears when we stop scaling Adam to Lucifer.
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The series has been pretty clear on Lucifer being light-years away from absolutely everyone else, and the only “reason” to scale Adam to Lucifer is likely just plot armor/outlier since it isn't even consistent. Ig you decide which side has more evidence.
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It really doesn't since overload explosion exhausted Lu far more, and overloads tend to be way more destructive than regular functioning blast.
That was actually @Eden_Warlock99's first argument.
DarkLock92
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I do see it as an outlier.
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All im reading here is that Vox's profile should one shot Adam"s
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Oh wow! Plotholes in a vivziepop product, surely that never happens!
Sounds like another reason to not scale Charlie to High 6-A, huh?
We have direct statements his injury weakens him.
We have no idea how deals work, Eden. For all we knew Rosie did a big ritual involving a dozen virgin woman, a *****, and chastity belts to give Alastor his power.
Then who TF is #4?
ShionAH
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About Adam and Lucifer.
First punch people mention was a surprise attack. They always do more damage since you dont brace yourself for it. Its actually quite impressive all he got was a minor nosebleed
About the tackle...
Adam slams Lucifer into a wall and we dont see visible damage but Lucifer instantly shapeshifts into a snake to dodge his punch, which is intresting because why would he do that if Adam does "no damage" like you said. I'd be more mad at the enemy if he just took all my attacks.
Lucifer flies and dodges the light, Adam catches Lucifer mid air which shocks Lucifer and then Lu shapeshifts once again to avoid a hit.
Lucifer ragebaits, Adam gets so angry he grabs Lucifer by the neck except he turns into a horse and avoids him. And crap, Adam gets VERY badly hit through the back by Lucifer... THEN HE ATTACKS? IN SECONDS? That... THAT DID NO DAMAGE.
Adam overpowers Octopus Lucifer after a lotta dodges Adam charges up a beam, Lucifer MOVES out the way and risks Charlie's life. Hmm, why didn't he just tank it chat?
Adam gets TAG teamed by Charlie and Lucifer into a big slam to the ground. His mask breaks but his face is... relatively fine. He has a nosebleed but thats from the first punch and the bruise is from that too so he literally takes NO damage from that. Two High 6-A characters slamming him (Lucifer was pissed off here)
So counting down... I find out that was 13 direct Lucifer punches with one of them being a surprise attack and 1 true form Charlie attack. He has a bruise, a nose bleed. Yep. He is the tank man.
First punch people mention was a surprise attack. They always do more damage since you dont brace yourself for it. Its actually quite impressive all he got was a minor nosebleed
About the tackle...
Adam slams Lucifer into a wall and we dont see visible damage but Lucifer instantly shapeshifts into a snake to dodge his punch, which is intresting because why would he do that if Adam does "no damage" like you said. I'd be more mad at the enemy if he just took all my attacks.
Lucifer flies and dodges the light, Adam catches Lucifer mid air which shocks Lucifer and then Lu shapeshifts once again to avoid a hit.
Lucifer ragebaits, Adam gets so angry he grabs Lucifer by the neck except he turns into a horse and avoids him. And crap, Adam gets VERY badly hit through the back by Lucifer... THEN HE ATTACKS? IN SECONDS? That... THAT DID NO DAMAGE.
Adam overpowers Octopus Lucifer after a lotta dodges Adam charges up a beam, Lucifer MOVES out the way and risks Charlie's life. Hmm, why didn't he just tank it chat?
Adam gets TAG teamed by Charlie and Lucifer into a big slam to the ground. His mask breaks but his face is... relatively fine. He has a nosebleed but thats from the first punch and the bruise is from that too so he literally takes NO damage from that. Two High 6-A characters slamming him (Lucifer was pissed off here)
So counting down... I find out that was 13 direct Lucifer punches with one of them being a surprise attack and 1 true form Charlie attack. He has a bruise, a nose bleed. Yep. He is the tank man.
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@Eden_Warlock99 whaddya think we should actually do given these problems, asking you specifically because you are the one who pointed out to issues.
DarkLock92
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Ah must have missed it. I guess it depends whether you wanna argue that Carmilla is grossly underestimating her own weapon, or that Pentagram is actually even bigger than we thought.
Mythic381
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-Lucifer beat the shit out of Adam and Adam survived it.
-Adam's durability downscales Lucifer's AP.
-Alastor barely damaged Adam.
-Adam's durability upscales Alastor's AP.
-Alastor's AP downscales Adam's durability.
-Adam's AP downscales Lucifer's AP.
This seems fine...
-Adam's durability downscales Lucifer's AP.
-Alastor barely damaged Adam.
-Adam's durability upscales Alastor's AP.
-Alastor's AP downscales Adam's durability.
-Adam's AP downscales Lucifer's AP.
This seems fine...
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Adam's tackle was also a surprise and didn't do anything to Lucifer.
Not to mention he didn't have just a nosebleed; he was way more hurt with that single punch than he was with his full-blown bloodthirsty barrage.
This has nothing to do with anything; Lucifer was clearly dodging Adam to annoy him and make fun of how he was much slower.
Adam gets casually hit by a Lucifer that was mocking him*
Lifting strength
He casually dodged it like he was doing before and didn't see Charlie until she started falling.
Charlie stops his attack and Lucifer bumps him with the back of his hand, those are two actual hits by a base semi-serious Lu and they both injured him much more than his angry transformed combo
This is the only part of the scaling between Adam and Lucifer that could make any sense if we base ourselves on what the series shows.
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Yeah I haven't gotten around to writing the scaling for that part up yet. I'll hold off.
Just saying this here: If consensus is 6-C with At most High 6-A durability, fine. Nothing's set in stone yet.
It is lol
Hell Alastor could be grayromantic or graysexual, or any combination of the four
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He is staff-romantic!
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Ngl it's pretty funny to see how Shion treats this fight as Adam surprising Lucifer with his power and Lucifer having to go all in when in reality Lucifer basically ended the fight with a random punch and a bitchslap lmao
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Just curious, do we allow for Alastor to scale (comparable to Stolas) due to WoG from Veizpop in an interview?
ShionAH
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A punch is obviously better than a tackle wtf? Adam’s real punch was dodged there.
He literally only has a nose bleed
Except Adam wasnt slower than that Lu? He catches Lucifer mid air, he just had the agility with shapeshifting
Irrelevant, that was a flip into a horse kick to the spine and yet Adam took no danage exactly like the tackle you keep mentioning. Additionally I am pretty sure Horse kicks are really really really strong so imagine a Lucifer one
Is he a dumb ****? He knows Charlie is at the roof, lets make Lucifer have Below Average Intelligence and Dementia weakness
He still only has a nose bleed also its hard to see but it looked more like it was a combined effort from both but sure thats 3 clean hits btw.
Anyways Stellar your entire argument is “nuh uh its plot armor” which is such a brilliant thing that definitely is okay to think that I respect!
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Actually, Alastor believes he is straight and hasn't just found the woman to settle down with yet (this was confirmed in a stream)
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Being in the closet doesn't change much lol
Eden_Warlock99
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This sounds like that one guy who said Thanos beating Hulk was a plothole.
No, Thanos is just that strong lol
Looked at em, they're all referring to staff, which like, why'd even do all the shit he did to fix it if it wasn't even the main factor lol
She literally fixes his staff in seconds in the last song, but also like, typically we go with the simplest explanation, which what you proposed really isn't.
Really, there's only two options. It do prefer it just being High 6-A cause like, seems kinda obvious that the explosion is meant to be on Lu's level with how much it drained him, and just how stupid it'd be for the wires of the machine to be High 6-A (Ya know they pierced Lu) while its self-destruct from excess energy isn’t lol
The other approach is that Lu was just [[SCREW]]ing with Adam, so the cast struggling to contain the explosion wouldn’t contradict anything.
Still feel the other stuff points to it being High 6-A anyway though.
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fair enough.
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Being tackled into a wall is way more dangerous than being punched.
He was comparable but slower and Lucifer was dodging him with his eyes closed.
Wdym irrelevant? It's clear that Lucifer wasn't intending to hurt him with that kick since he was just mocking him.
He came crawling and heavy-breathing after that punch which instantly knocked him to the floor, saying “just a nose bleed” ignores that, at the end of the fight, when he could barely stand, he also had “just a nosebleed”He literally only has a nose bleed
Charlie literally came running to the laser lmao didn't you watch the scene?
No, it was just a bitchslap to keep him away after Charlie, which needed help to stop a High 6-C explosion, stopped his punch.
Anonymous_Learner
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We take it as a possibly for Stolas to leach off Alastor with magic, like always
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Send? I never found it, IIRC wiki only says that he doesn't know he is ace but nothing beyond that.
Eden_Warlock99
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ShionAH
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Getting a horse kick to the spine is worse than both
And he got his ass caught moments later lol, he is faster sure but not like much faster.
Straight up headcanon on Lucifers intention, try again.
Yeah because Adam is a damn tank, he had a nose bleed from a surprise attack which is really impressive especially when its someone stronger.
Ofc I didnt watch the scene thats why I analyzed every single moment in my comment above. Additionally she was on the roof and its still HER hotel why the **** would Lucifer risk Charlie and let the Hotel be destroyed when he can just tank and mock Adam? Is he stupid?
No this is when he gets serious, that was a serious bloodlusted Lucifer strike.
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That + you are not seriously telling me that a freaking Loona could have damaged FP Alastor even though even his weakened self is strongest Sinner-Overlord
Mythic381
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I mean really my only argument to that is I doubt this was Lucifer going all out, he was in his demon form, sure, but he was also smiling and enjoying it, doesn't seem to me like someone exactly going 100% Especially when Adam could've logically just been regenerating, and it seems kinda implied that Lucifer's last attacks was going to kill him if Charlie didn't stop him.
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And unlike Charlie, Thanos has no proper anti-feats
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Which just makes him stronger, not necessarily because he's full power.
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