White haired Swordswoman VS White Haired Boxer

[XxZetsuxX]

Alexia Midgnar VS Riku Azami

Rules:

• Speed is unequalised.
• Starting Distance: 10 meters
• Location: Valkyria's Arena
• No one have prep time
• Both have no prior knowledge
• Alexia's AP: 15 KJ, Higher with magic
• Riku's AP: 4,5 KJ, Higher with amps

	Alexia's advantages: Sword Range Higher stats Counters some abilities due to sword Higher IQ	Second Princess of Midgar Kingdom - XxZetsuxX, SatellaTheWoE, Zefra3011, Doggo, RoggerReggor, MannyQ361, Syncornize
	Riku's advantages: Stamina Accelerated Development More Skilled Better PP More techniques Better ANPR Better Info analysis Better IA	The Boxer -

 

[XxZetsuxX]

For clarification on what she counters;

Body control and Acrobatics since Riku basically goes with the flow of the opponent's punch which is useless and fatal against a sword user

Damage reduction is the same

Supernatural willpower to an extent due to blood loss

 

[Dinozxd]

Body control and Acrobatics since Riku basically goes with the flow of the opponent's punch which is useless and fatal against a sword user

Riku's acrobatic style doesn't work that way btw. He can perfectly sync his movement with his opponent's punch to reduce the damage he takes fully, but that's not the only use of the ability. It's basically a possible use. Riku wouldn't do that aganist an opponent with a sword. He'd just use the body control and acrobatics side of it to evade attacks and counter from impossible angles.

Damage Reduction and Supernatural Willpower wouldn't work aganist a sword though.

For Riku's advantages, he seems to be much skilled than her in anpr and h2h skill. He also outlasts her badly. For Alexia, she has a massive advantage by having a sword, has a speed advantage and having magic?

Riku's danger sense allows him to sense attacks that would be too dangerous to take head on and can use that danger sense to avoid attacks with his IA. He can also read rhytm, timing, micro movements to pre empt attacks. His speed also gets amped the longer he stays in battle. Alexia has a large AP advantage, but I don't think it'd be a problem for Riku due to PP and bodily weaponry. Those would drain her stamina fast.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Riku's acrobatic style doesn't work that way btw. He can perfectly sync his movement with his opponent's punch to reduce the damage he takes fully, but that's not the only use of the ability. It's basically a possible use.

Ic

Riku wouldn't do that aganist an opponent with a sword. He'd just use the body control and acrobatics side of it to evade attacks and counter from impossible angles.

This is nice but Alexia has IA of her own to dodge this

For Riku's advantages, he seems to be much skilled than her in anpr and h2h skill. He also outlasts her badly. For Alexia, she has a massive advantage by having a sword, has a speed advantage and having magic?

Yeah, Magic amps her stats even further

Riku's danger sense allows him to sense attacks that would be too dangerous to take head on and can use that danger sense to avoid attacks with his IA.

Same with Alexia

He can also read rhytm, timing, micro movements to pre empt attacks. His speed also gets amped the longer he stays in battle. Alexia has a large AP advantage, but I don't think it'd be a problem for Riku due to PP and bodily weaponry. Those would drain her stamina fast.

Assuming they hit, Alexia can keep up with someone who is 1000 years with experience and skill (though he was holding back)

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Btw, his travel speed should be average up to peak (whatever he scales to)

There was a CRT saying travel speed is not comparable to combat speed until proven (i don't know if you are aware of this but i will say regardless)

 

[XxZetsuxX]

. Alexia has a large AP advantage, but I don't think it'd be a problem for Riku due to PP and bodily weaponry. Those would drain her stamina fast.

Alexia with magic can fortify her weak points and even organs which turns PP and dura neg useless (she just takes PP as normal dmg basically)

 

[Dinozxd]

This is nice but Alexia has IA of her own to dodge this

Her IA isn't stated to be good enough to dodge attacks from impossible angles at close range.

Also like, 2 outta 3 of the supposed IA feats linked to her page aren't really even IA. The top and the bottom one clearly mention reflexes and reaction, which aren't really instincts.

Yeah, Magic amps her stats even further

Is it just stat amps? Alexia can't like, create fire or something right?

Same with Alexia

I don't see enhanced senses on her profile. I only see it in here and it just applies to sensing magic, not danger.

Assuming they hit, Alexia can keep up with someone who is 1000 years with experience and skill (though he was holding back)

And how skilled is that person? Also, them holding back kinda invalidates her being able to keep up with them no?

There was a CRT saying travel speed is not comparable to combat speed until proven (i don't know if you are aware of this but i will say regardless)

Yeah ik. Thought it wasn't important to mention as Riku doesn't use travel speed.

Alexia with magic can fortify her weak points and even organs which turns PP and dura neg useless (she just takes PP as normal dmg basically)

I see. Though Riku's fists were stated to be like "bladed tools". He can "slash" her continuesly still.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Her IA isn't stated to be good enough to dodge attacks from impossible angles at close range.

This is irrelevant, she is dodging through instinct which means she doesn't need to be aware of the attack, her body just dodges on it's own

Also, she can predict and counter attack suprise attacks (that she isn't aware) immediately

Also like, 2 outta 3 of the supposed IA feats linked to her page aren't really even IA. The top and the bottom one clearly mention reflexes and reaction, which aren't really instincts.

I will let Zefra explain this once he gets on

Is it just stat amps? Alexia can't like, create fire or something right?

Yeah

I don't see enhanced senses on her profile. I only see it in here and it just applies to sensing magic, not danger.

Her IA is on her profile though? she can dodge attacks with involuntary action due to training and stuff

And how skilled is that person? Also, them holding back kinda invalidates her being able to keep up with them no?

Mhm;

He can dodge hundreds of tendrils

Has over a millinea of years of experience and skill and refined a skill that took that much time

I'm sure he has more, but Zefra has more scans that i don't, so rip

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I could also say that Alexia can infuse bloodlust with magic which can definitely disturb Riku and lower his overall ability to perform in fight as he is much weaker than Alexia and has no magic resistence too

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Ok so, i am gonna try to bring Alexia's best arguments i can muster (trust)

First off, stats is a blantant advantage she has, one good swing means Riku can get his hands chopped off, she has sufficient AP and LS to cut him in 1 swing if she has the chance.

Next, we have speed, how well can Riku deal with someone who is faster than him, her combat speed upscales her travel speed, Riku even with ANPR, IA and reaction is not infallible and would mean he will get eventually overwhelmed sooner or later. Also, i can see from his ANPR scan that he is very susceptible to get overwhelmed by faster opponents

Alexia also has the range advantage with a sword that she can exploit, she can push him back, make him hesitate to get closer to a sword user and possibly even being way to overly cautious which may hinder his fighting ability due to knowing 1 slice is fatal to him, his cautious is a nice advantage to Alexia since she can recover stamina that way too.

Next is magic, Alexia can fuse her bloodlust with magic where Riku has no resistence to it which will definitely hinder his ability to an extent even further coupled with the fact she is a sword user since it works on weaker individuals.

Alexia is also capable of countering even someone who is more skilled than her by a long shot albeit they were holding back, predict suprise attacks and immediately go for a counter, create favorable position to her with acting as she can feign weakness which may make Riku either hesitate or lure him which creates an opening for an counter attack.

Alexia also has IA of her own which allows her to dodge attacks she is not aware, and mabye we can also argue the fact that what Alexia uses to predict attacks would work on phantom jabs because they are unreadable by people who use body movents, rhytm, breathing and attack paths (Alexia uses angle, distance and position of the opponent) so his ANPR resistence is incompatible with Alexia who uses another prediction methods.

She also counters some of Riku's weapons for the match such as;

• Damage reduction because of the sword
• Supernatural willpower is irrelevant if you die by bloodloss
• Pressure points can drain energy faster but gets negated by magic which can fortify her organs
• Information analysis as Riku's ability is to notice weakness which Alexia doesn't have one (no notable weakness LOL)
• Instigating Fear is weak as she has experienced against stronger opponents like Cid ( )
• ANPR resistence is useless as phantom jabs don't counter what Alexia predicts as i said above

 

[Zefra3011]

Also like, 2 outta 3 of the supposed IA feats linked to her page aren't really even IA. The top and the bottom one clearly mention reflexes and reaction, which aren't really instincts.

Also:
"Her reaction is involuntary."

...come on now

He can dodge hundreds of tendrils

Has over a millinea of years of experience and skill and refined a skill that took that much time

I'm sure he has more, but Zefra has more scans that i don't, so rip

No, the fact Fenrir was holding back nullifies the scaling chain to Alexia completely. He can be as skilled as he wants, Alexia ain't scaling to him.

 

[Zefra3011]

Anyway, yeah, speed advantage + range advantage + unfamiliar fighting style will surely be a problem for Riku, especially since if he ***** up a single dodge he might get badly injured, due to piercing damage + higher ap + PP (arteries, which are fatal wounds).

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Anyway, yeah, speed advantage + range advantage + unfamiliar fighting style will surely be a problem for Riku, especially since if he ***** up a single dodge he might get badly injured, due to piercing damage + higher ap + PP (arteries, which are fatal wounds).

Vote for Alexia or you wanna hold on to it before more arguments show?

 

[Zefra3011]

To clarify, while I can see Riku being more skilled and versatile than Alexia, I do not believe he can adapt to all these disadvantages quickly enough, leading Alexia to land some hits to his arteries. And I do not believe Riku's pain tolerance is enough to allow him to withstand having his arteries or any vital point cut, as most of his feats involve moving for a lot of time or withstanding painful damage, though not deadly. He doesn't really strike me as a fighter who dodges much in the first place, too.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I don't see any counter arguments, so i will leave my vote to Alexia FRA

 

[XxZetsuxX]

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[SatellaTheWoE]

ALexia fra

 

[XxZetsuxX]

ALexia fra

Counted

 

[XxZetsuxX]

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[Zefra3011]

cid's owner FRA

 

[XxZetsuxX]

cid's owner FRA

Counted

 

[Doggo]

The girl FRA

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The girl FRA

Counted

 

[RoggerReggor]

I'd go with Alexia FRA.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I'd go with Alexia FRA.

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[XxZetsuxX]

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[MannyQ361]

Voting Alexia fra.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Voting Alexia fra.

Counted

 

[Syncornize]

Alexia stomp. She has more AP + speed and greater range. The boxer’s skill section is mostly about having defeated X or surpassed Y, neither of which can really be considered achievements. Just like in Alexia’s section, it’s not unlikely that she might pretend to be weak to lure Riku in and strike him. Since he’s a boxer, he shouldn’t be able to accurately counter swordsmanship, especially considering that strikes with long weapons are faster than body movements. Even if Riku attacked, Alexia would only need to parry his blows with her sword he would lose due to accumulated injuries.
Most of the scenarios are in Alexia’s favor

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Alexia stomp. She has more AP + speed and greater range. The boxer’s skill section is mostly about having defeated X or surpassed Y, neither of which can really be considered achievements. Just like in Alexia’s section, it’s not unlikely that she might pretend to be weak to lure Riku in and strike him. Since he’s a boxer, he shouldn’t be able to accurately counter swordsmanship, especially considering that strikes with long weapons are faster than body movements. Even if Riku attacked, Alexia would only need to parry his blows with her sword he would lose due to accumulated injuries.
Most of the scenarios are in Alexia’s favor

Counted and Grace

 

[Dinozxd]

This is irrelevant, she is dodging through instinct which means she doesn't need to be aware of the attack, her body just dodges on it's own

Also, she can predict and counter attack suprise attacks (that she isn't aware) immediately

I could see that being more IA-like.

Her IA is on her profile though? she can dodge attacks with involuntary action due to training and stuff

That's not really enhanced senses as that suggests that she's sensing the strikes while IA would just be dodging something without thought.

Mhm;

He can dodge hundreds of tendrils

Has over a millinea of years of experience and skill and refined a skill that took that much time

I'm sure he has more, but Zefra has more scans that i don't, so rip

Well these don't really scale to her as he was holding back so.

Also:
"Her reaction is involuntary."

...come on now

Well I thought reflexes would be like, just reaction time and speed. Didn't think it'd involve instinctual movement.

He doesn't really strike me as a fighter who dodges much in the first place, too.

That's actually very wrong as he uses an acrobatic style of fighting that lets him dodge attacks from impossible angles and counter at the same time. While he does tend to trade punches in his matches, he isn't dumb enough to do that aganist a sword lol.

The boxer’s skill section is mostly about having defeated X or surpassed Y, neither of which can really be considered achievements.

That's straight up chain scaling lol. I'm pretty sure there are skill feats of the people he surpassed as well+skill feats he performed on his own.

Since he’s a boxer, he shouldn’t be able to accurately counter swordsmanship,

He can use his danger sense to dodge fatal attacks. He can also read micro movements of characters that are much faster than him to dodge em regardless of their speed advantage.

 

[Syncornize]

That's straight up chain scaling lol. I'm pretty sure there are skill feats of the people he surpassed as well+skill feats he performed on his own.

Yes, on nonexistent profiles, an excellent comparison parameter. The way it’s set up, it’s slightly outside the human range.

He can use his danger sense to dodge fatal attacks. He can also read micro movements of characters that are much faster than him to dodge em regardless of their speed advantage.

he can perceive danger and read micro-movements, but when it comes to boxing and not fencing, which has totally different principles and distances it's a different matter. Moreover, the sword allows him to cover greater distances. For example, he can’t predict a feint, he would only understand when it was too late. People who have practiced fencing for years and are considered extremely skilled can’t keep up with her; assuming that just because he has a predictive ability he therefore predicts everything by default is nonsensical and beyond what has been shown. I think there are enough votes to conclude anyway, so it matters little.

 

[Dinozxd]

Yes, on nonexistent profiles, an excellent comparison parameter.

What? The skill feats of characters Riku surpasses are on Riku's profile.

The way it’s set up, it’s slightly outside the human range.

Wow. I bet you didn't even read the intelligence section lol.

he can perceive danger and read micro-movements, but when it comes to boxing and not fencing, which has totally different principles and distances it's a different matter.

He can percieve danger from weaponry as well btw. It's on his profile. While it's true that micro movements usually work differently between boxing and fencing, they have the same principle. Both have micro movments you do before attacking.

Moreover, the sword allows him to cover greater distances. For example, he can’t predict a feint, he would only understand when it was too late.

They both have comparable speeds with the sword character having a slight edge (according to the profiles). He can react to the attacks.

People who have practiced fencing for years and are considered extremely skilled can’t keep up with her;

Practicing something for years or being considered extremely skilled aren't good skill feats btw.

assuming that just because he has a predictive ability he therefore predicts everything by default is nonsensical and beyond what has been shown. I think there are enough votes to conclude anyway, so it matters little.

He has multiple ways to precog her attacks btw.

 

[Syncornize]

It feels like I’m back in the days of TR’s Calc Stacking… Anyway

He has multiple ways to precog her attacks btw.

No, It's like saying that a boxer can always predict a kickboxer's kicks without any knowledge of kickboxing or feats in this. He doesn’t have precognition but analytical prediction, they are two different things.

What? The skill feats of characters Riku surpasses are on Riku's profile.

I said that almost the entirety of her section is about being superior to characters who only have a title with no description at all; it’s a scaling chain built out of nothing. Their feats and their skill levels are unknown for most of them. Since I don’t know the verse and my evaluation has to be based on a single profile, I can only conclude that Riko is stronger than many people with lots of belts. Nothing extraordinary, if not for the rest.

Wow. I bet you didn't even read the intelligence section lol.

This thing is so childish that it doesn’t even deserve an argument. I don’t know if you noticed, but I was only talking about the poorly supported scaling chain, not his entire rating. Ironically, you’re telling me this. I won’t go on because you already have enough votes against you; I don’t want to waste time

 

[Dinozxd]

It feels like I’m back in the days of TR’s Calc Stacking… Anyway

Is this ad hominem? Maybe.

No, It's like saying that a boxer can always predict a kickboxer's kicks without any knowledge of kickboxing or feats in this.

Kicking is different to sword fighting. Kicks don't require shoulder movements (a little bit) while sword fighting does. Plus I didn't just say that Riku could read her movements just through his boxing knowledge.

He doesn’t have precognition but analytical prediction, they are two different things.

This is irrelevant.

I said that almost the entirety of her section is about being superior to characters who only have a title with no description at all; it’s a scaling chain built out of nothing. Their feats and their skill levels are unknown for most of them. Since I don’t know the verse and my evaluation has to be based on a single profile, I can only conclude that Riko is stronger than many people with lots of belts. Nothing extraordinary, if not for the rest.

This just means that you only skimmed through his intelligence section as there are feats of characters being able to change their timings, rhytm, angles constantly in a fight which gives them constant unpredictability, characters having techniques that bypass anpr, a character being able to tell how well placed their counters were (down to milimiters) and Riku's jabs being completely on a whole different dimension compared to a character that's above every feat I just said.

This thing is so childish that it doesn’t even deserve an argument. I don’t know if you noticed, but I was only talking about the poorly supported scaling chain, not his entire rating. Ironically, you’re telling me this.

How is that childish while you just proved me right for the second time? Also, It's obvious that you know his rating because 1. It's literally written on the OP of this thread 2. It's the first thing that pops up when you go to his profile lol. I just refered to you obviously only skimming through Riku's skill scaling while also throwing up counter arguments for it.

I won’t go on because you already have enough votes against you; I don’t want to waste time

It doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. Plus it's just a FRA chain while I (as the only supporter of Rikudou) was on a break lol. Ts matchup was lowk cheap ngl.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

It doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. Plus it's just a FRA chain while I (as the only supporter of Rikudou) was on a break lol. Ts matchup was lowk cheap ngl.

This one is on you, i don't know the circumstances you went through but this was on you

No one told you to take a break mid match

 

[Dinozxd]

This one is on you, i don't know the circumstances you went through but this was on you

No one told you to take a break mid match

This could seem a bit too empathic but me personally, I wouldn't count votes aganist a verse while the only supporter of that verse is not online, especially when no one's there to present counter arguments to my arguments.

 

[Syncornize]

Is this ad hominem? Maybe.

Kicking is different to sword fighting. Kicks don't require shoulder movements (a little bit) while sword fighting does. Plus I didn't just say that Riku could read her movements just through his boxing knowledge.

This is irrelevant.

This just means that you only skimmed through his intelligence section as there are feats of characters being able to change their timings, rhytm, angles constantly in a fight which gives them constant unpredictability, characters having techniques that bypass anpr, a character being able to tell how well placed their counters were (down to milimiters) and Riku's jabs being completely on a whole different dimension compared to a character that's above every feat I just said.

How is that childish while you just proved me right for the second time? Also, It's obvious that you know his rating because 1. It's literally written on the OP of this thread 2. It's the first thing that pops up when you go to his profile lol. I just refered to you obviously only skimming through Riku's skill scaling while also throwing up counter arguments for it.

It doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. Plus it's just a FRA chain while I (as the only supporter of Rikudou) was on a break lol. Ts matchup was lowk cheap ngl.

After this, I can determine that your accusations are projections and that you don’t have very in depth knowledge of the subject.

This one is on you, i don't know the circumstances you went through but this was on you

No one told you to take a break mid match

Bro, shouldn’t you have the votes to close?