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(Note that Gargantos is another name used by the writers for Shuma-Gorath due to copyright issues)


(Kudos to @SamanPatou for many of these thanks to this blog he provided)


(Once again, a huge thanks to @SamanPatou for his help with the vast majority of these with this blog he provided)




  • God Physiology: Is the Wolf God of Asgard, from Journey Into Mystery #114

(Kudos to @Ultima_Reality for all these Nyx scans)

Split her profile into 2 keys: Weakened and Full Power

(All the scans below with Nyx in them are from the Avengers: No Road Home series)

Weakened Key:
Full Power:

Optional Equipment: The House of Ideas

Intelligence: Likely Nigh-Omniscient.

Weaknesses: None notable | Though she is able to harness the House of Ideas, her control over it is not absolute, and can potentially be turned against her











Phoenix Force Key:
White Phoenix of the Crown Key:



  • Transduality (Type 3. Since the Black Winter exists beyond Omniversal Eternity and by extent the In-Betweener, he should have the same level of Transduality for the same reason)



Staff Agreements: [USER=17]@Antvasima[/USER] (everything but the 8-C addition to Storm's profile), @Emirp sumitpo, @Elizhaa, @Elizio33, @Planck69
 
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I mostly agree, but going by your scans Jean Grey apparently only defeated a single Black Winter, and Storm was trained by Wolverine during several days, not for 5 days in a row without any break, and he definitely did not seem to have gotten serious and did not use his claws. He was fighting at Storm's level via boxing only in order to train her. That is it. 🙏
 
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I mostly agree, but going by your scans Jean Grey apparently only defeated a single Black Winter,
Ok
and Storm was trained by Wolverine during several days, not for 5 days in a row without any break,
Ok
and he definitely did not seem to have gotten serious and did not use his claws. He was fighting at Storm's level via boxing only in order to train her. That is it. 🙏
They stopped holding back near the end of their training and got serious , Wolverine said so himself in the scan. Plus she drew blood from him.
 
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To back up Daredevil having spiritual powers, he has a form of telepathy and healing in Daredevil Volume 1 Issue 243
And from the same arc in Daredevil Volume 1 Issue 244, he shows Supernatural Willpower
I mostly agree, but going by your scans Jean Grey apparently only defeated a single Black Winter, and Storm was trained by Wolverine during several days, not for 5 days in a row without any break, and he definitely did not seem to have gotten serious and did not use his claws. He was fighting at Storm's level via boxing only in order to train her. That is it. 🙏
I added these to the OP, do these look good to you, Ant?
 
Ok

Ok

They stopped holding back near the end of their training and got serious , Wolverine said so himself in the scan. Plus she drew blood from him.
Didn't Wolverine still just fight via boxing, rather than with his own mixed martial arts style, and not use his claws against her? That seems like he held back a lot, not matter what was said in the story. 🙏
 
I added these to the OP, do these look good to you, Ant?
Thank you, and almost, except for that you make it sound like a powerless Storm was fighting a berzerk Wolverine who was using his full arsenal of martial arts techniques and attempted to cut her to pieces. That is not what happened, no matter how biased the current Storm writer is. 🙏
 
Didn't Wolverine still just fight via boxing, rather than with his own mixed martial arts style, and not use his claws against her? That seems like he held back a lot, not matter what was said in the story. 🙏
Thank you, and almost, except for that you make it sound like a powerless Storm was fighting a berzerk Wolverine who was using his full arsenal of martial arts techniques and attempted to cut her to pieces. That is not what happened, no matter how biased the current Storm writer is. 🙏
At his full clawless physical strength per his own words, Wolverine was still beaten by her and she drew blood with a punch.

I'd say that's enough for her to be comparable to his 8-C clawless self. And she did this without her powers.
 
He wasn't remotely shown using his full prowess against Storm, no matter how much her writer is excessively trying to hype her, and it would also be an outlier for her to match his far greater superhuman strength, speed, and durability without any powers/superhuman physique. 🙏
 
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He wasn't remotely shown using his full prowess against Storm, no matter how much her writer is excessively trying to hype her, and it would also be an outlier for her to match his far greater superhuman strength, speed, and dirability without any powers/superhuman physique. 🙏
She's already 8-C physically via fighting on par with Black Panther, and if Wolvie is saying he's taking the gloves off then that's clearly what the writer intends.

She even drew blood from him
 
He wasn't remotely shown using his full prowess against Storm, no matter how much her writer is excessively trying to hype her, and it would also be an outlier for her to match his far greater superhuman strength, speed, and dirability without any powers/superhuman physique. 🙏
Ant, instead of just saying "I don't agree with this because I don't like it." You just do a little research and just show us some anti-feats? You know, actual arguments. If you don't got any, then you're not helping, you're stalling, If you got them... Then good, show us.
 
Btw Eseseso, you should add this for god's magic:
"Pacts between mortals and gods are considered magic" Strange Academy: Moon Knight Vol 1 1
 
He wasn't remotely shown using his full prowess against Storm, no matter how much her writer is excessively trying to hype her, and it would also be an outlier for her to match his far greater superhuman strength, speed, and durability without any powers/superhuman physique. 🙏
@The_Impress @Adr10K @Firestorm808

Do you think that we should scale Storm's physical statistics and fighting skills from Wolverine and the Black Panther?
 
Hmm. It seems very exaggerated to consider her physically superior to the Black Widow, Daredevil, and the like. 🙏
I mean, she is a mutant while DD and BW are "only" peak human.

Also, would you mind me adding this to the Scarlet Witch section of the OP:

(Scarlet Witch's soul contains the True Darkhold, containing countless nightmarish realms embodying the darkest stories of everybody that ever lived or will live, with its own separate flow of time and space. Every single layer of the True Darkhold's realm within Wanda's soul has at least a lifetime of time and was/is as large as a person could explore in that lifetime)

Further Type 1 Purification (Removed a mythical infection from a town using a spell)

Further Weapon Creation (Can create spears of energy)

Further Portal Creation & BFR (Done here with a snap of her fingers)

Also, I'd like to add this as another justification for Gods having magic:

("Pacts between mortals and gods are considered magic" Strange Academy: Moon Knight Vol 1 1)
 
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I agree with everything.

But I want to point out one thing. We don't know how powerful the black winters created by Hadad are they are all featless.

They also have outlier values and can be killed by simple lightning gods.

They are probably much weaker than the original black winters.
 
I agree with everything.

But I want to point out one thing. We don't know how powerful the black winters created by Hadad are they are all featless.

They also have outlier values and can be killed by simple lightning gods.

They are probably much weaker than the original black winters.
The story references to the original Black Winter from the previous storyline that involved him, so I think he was meant to be shown as that powerful.

Besides, they were a threat to the land of CBSB
 
  • Another 1-A feat for her peak base as well as Non-Physical Interaction (Was capable of destroying multiple Black Winters)
    • This would be added to her profile as "even higher with the Darkhold's power [since it's a Chthonic aura, indicating that she was tapping into the Darkhold] (Far stronger than her standard peak, as she can tap into the power of the Darkhold itself. Was capable of destroying multiple Black Winters which were threatening The Land of Couldn't-Be-Shouldn't-Be)
Skeptical on this (and everything else relating to Black Winters), but I won't comment. Everything else looks fine here.
Dimensional Manipulation means warping mathematical dimensions, be it changing the dimensionality of something, or changing your position across mathematical dimensions.
I believe you need proof that a dimension's time automatically freezes or slows any object that enters it for "timeless void" feats to count for anything.
This would be temporal omnipresence without direct showings of alternate selves being able to fight in your place.
Same issue with dimensional manipulation I mentioned before.
Where is this implied? All the characters who belong to the race of "Elder Gods of Earth" were either spawned on Earth by the Demiurge Primordial or descended from another Elder God of Earth (and confirmed to have the same classification). The darkness Nyx is related to, based on all the information that's been released on the Elder Gods, is very different from the darkness all the other Elder Gods are related to.
But this fight takes place in the Outer Void/Oblivion Void, which was depicted as the dimension of the universal manifestation of Oblivion, since the realm was described in universal terms as the void that competes with and loses to Universal Eternity's expansion within itself.
Everything else looks good to me.
 
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Skeptical on this (and everything else relating to Black Winters), but I won't comment. Everything else looks fine here.
(Blame the Storm 2024 writers, lol)
Dimensional Manipulation means warping mathematical dimensions, be it changing the dimensionality of something, or changing your position across mathematical dimensions.
Fair
I believe you need proof that a dimension's time automatically freezes or slows any object that enters it for "timeless void" feats to count for anything.
Fair, was kinda wondering if it was flowery language myself
This would be temporal omnipresence without direct showings of alternate selves being able to fight in your place.
Isn't temporal omnipresence type 3 acausality?
Where is this implied? All the characters who belong to the race of "Elder Gods of Earth" were either spawned on Earth by the Demiurge Primordial or descended from another Elder God of Earth (and confirmed to have the same classification). The darkness Nyx is related to, based on all the information that's been released on the Elder Gods, is very different from the darkness all the other Elder Gods are related to.
I just figured that being "greater than gods" and being primal was enough implication, but yeah I can remove it.
But this fight takes place in the Outer Void/Oblivion Void, which was depicted as the dimension of the universal manifestation of Oblivion, since the realm was described in universal terms as the void that competes with and loses to Universal Eternity's expansion within itself.

Everything else looks good to me.
Black Winter is a multiversal level threat, so it wouldn't make sense for him to be inferior to Universal Oblivion
 
Profectus' objections above seem to make sense to me, and no mentions were made of multiple Black Winters being destroyed by the Scarlet Witch alone. Also, the original Black Winter destroyed the previous iteration of the Marvel multiverse and was the master of Galactus. It was a singular entity, so I think that Hadad simply created his own versions, which were here explicitly stated to be inferior to the universal Oblivion.

Then again, as I have said previously, the Storm comicbook is more written as a gleefully malicious and spiteful trollfic against Thor, and a means to elevate Storm above everybody else in a power-mad manner, than as something qualifying as an actual valid and interesting story of its own. 🙏
 
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Profectus' objections above seem to make sense to me, and no mentions were made of multiple Black Winters being destroyed by the Scarlet Witch alone. Also, the original Black Winter destroyed the previous iteration of the Marvel multiverse and was the master of Galactus. It was a singular entity, so I think that Hadad simply created his own versions, which were here explicitly stated to be inferior to the universal Oblivion.
Very well, though they were still threatening realms like the White Hot Room and the Land of Couldn't Be Shouldn't Be. Plus would it still count as NPI?

Also, what do you think of this:

I mean, she is a mutant while DD and BW are "only" peak human.

Also, would you mind me adding this to the Scarlet Witch section of the OP:

(Scarlet Witch's soul contains the True Darkhold, containing countless nightmarish realms embodying the darkest stories of everybody that ever lived or will live, with its own separate flow of time and space. Every single layer of the True Darkhold's realm within Wanda's soul has at least a lifetime of time and was/is as large as a person could explore in that lifetime)

Further Type 1 Purification (Removed a mythical infection from a town using a spell)

Further Weapon Creation (Can create spears of energy)

Further Portal Creation & BFR (Done here with a snap of her fingers)

Also, I'd like to add this as another justification for Gods having magic:

("Pacts between mortals and gods are considered magic" Strange Academy: Moon Knight Vol 1 1)
 
@The_Impress @Adr10K @Firestorm808

Do you think that we should scale Storm's physical statistics and fighting skills from Wolverine and the Black Panther?
No lol, she fights Gambit equally in many issues.

She's fine in training Martial Arts, but 8-C physicals IS wack.

Eseseso's scan is jank because Wolvie straight up says "I will stop holding back" implying he was holding back for the entire duration of the fight, and when he finally stops, all she does is tackle him and he decides to give up on the basis that she doesn't need his training.

Tackling is LS.
 
No lol, she fights Gambit equally in many issues.
Scans? Also, if you and/or Ant want to nerf Storm's physicals, make a separate thread, she's already 8-C physically
She's fine in training Martial Arts, but 8-C physicals IS wack.

Eseseso's scan is jank because Wolvie straight up says "I will stop holding back" implying he was holding back for the entire duration of the fight, and when he finally stops, all she does is tackle him and he decides to give up on the basis that she doesn't need his training.
She also draws blood from him, and her managing to tackle him is meant to indicate that she's not terribly inferior to him
Tackling is LS.
Ok
 
More justifications for her base/physical High 8-C AP/Durability (Without her magic, drew blood from and took many hits from Scythia, an Olympian Amazon who no-sold having Scarlet Witch's entire shop fall on her before easily shattering the shop into rubble and destabilized an entire apartment building simply by running through it, despite both Scarlet Witch holding back during their two fights and Scythia wielding magic-nullifying Low Mysterium armor in their second fight.
All of this is 9-B and we have already talked about this on the Discord channel.
She fights US Agent alone physically, no scaling to any of the others
Not sure how I forgot to put this on her profile, but she should have all the powers of The Darkhold considering she absorbed it and is now the Living Darkhold, even after Chthon escaped.
This is a key proposal. Format this as a key imo.
Was unharmed by U.S. Agent throwing a shield at the back of her head
I don't think you know what unharmed means, she literally grunts out in pain. This is an antifeat for High 8-C.
This is a resist to Enhanced Senses, not Stealth Mastery


Rest is mostly hax additions which are probably needed, sure.
 
It's in some 2000s issues I came across when I was researching some mutant guys. I'll have to find it, prolly will when I make the thread
Also, if you and/or Ant want to nerf Storm's physicals, make a separate thread, she's already 8-C physically
Sure when I get the time.
She also draws blood from him, and her managing to tackle him is meant to indicate that she's not terribly inferior to him
We don't count punches we count fights. Making a character bleed is an art decision most of the time rather than a writing decision on the script. The text straight has his admit he was holding back.
 
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All of this is 9-B and we have already talked about this on the Discord channel.
Meant as support
She fights US Agent alone physically, no scaling to any of the others
Fair
This is a key proposal. Format this as a key imo.
In a future thread
I don't think you know what unharmed means, she literally grunts out in pain. This is an antifeat for High 8-C.
It does negligible damage and was a sneak attack to the back of the head, she recovers on seconds
This is a resist to Enhanced Senses, not Stealth Mastery
Isn't it both? Idc much, just curious
Rest is mostly hax additions which are probably needed, sure.
Cool
It's in some 2000s issues I came across when I was researching some mutant guys. I'll have to find it

Sure when I get the time.

We don't count punches we count fights. Making a character bleed is an art decision most of the time rather than a writing decision on the script. The text straight has his admit he was holding back.
Ok I'll remove it, though try finding new physical scaling for her for your downgrade thread please
 
Meant as support
That's unnecessary bulk imo, 9-B is tiers lower than High 8-C
In a future thread
Imo it should be applied in a future thread then
It does negligible damage and was a sneak attack to the back of the head, she recovers on seconds
We're discussing this offsite and your definition of substantial damage would require him to upscale from her greatly. He is harming her just fine if she grunts out in pain.
Isn't it both? Idc much, just curious
Naw Stealth Mastery is more skill-based and not ability-based, whenever it could be.
 
That's unnecessary bulk imo, 9-B is tiers lower than High 8-C

Imo it should be applied in a future thread then
No, because she has those powers so they should be on her profile.

Someone is already planning on splitting up the P&A keys for her classic and modern selves, I forget who.
We're discussing this offsite and your definition of substantial damage would require him to upscale from her greatly. He is harming her just fine if she grunts out in pain.
But she one-shot him when he was demonically bulked, so it indicates she's>= him physically since he needed a sneak attack to the back of her skull to even slightly hurt her.
 
But she one-shot him when he was demonically bulked, so it indicates she's>= him physically since he needed a sneak attack to the back of her skull to even slightly hurt her.
1. Sneak attacks aren't a multiplier, they don't grant you a power advantage in the slightest. this isn't a video game
2. She oneshots him befoerhand because she lands a clean hit on his chin, which are known to be a weakpoint for knockout blows. That'll not necessarily imply an upscale, it's honestly a skill thing
3. Literally nothing states he's in an enhanced state. If anything the demon guys are sloppier than their usual selves.
 
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