Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[SuperNova55555]

Yeah sure, i forgor if there's like screwllum also mention the same thing when danheng trying to get out from amphoreus. I mean i am not against how impactful irontomb is, infact that second pv also make sure how powerful irontomb is, even confirmed he was even more powerful than lord ravagers.

I am just clarify in 3.2 ending he was mention "galaxy" Rather then cosmos. The same as welt vs zephyro which in original cn mention galaxy not universe

Can we just downgrade HSR to 3-C now? Thanks

 

[Le'garde273]

Can we just downgrade HSR to 3-C now? Thanks

What?

 

[SuperNova55555]

What?

It’s called humor, liberal.

 

[Viery]

He can determine it because everything Nous declares is done with 100% accuracy. That’s what a “moment of Nous” is. And even if he changed fate I’m realllyyyy not sure how this matters at all.

What I meant is, When Nous declares a truth, it becomes immutable — even the knowledge of future events is fixed, unable to be altered by anyone or anything.

And yeah, you could say Nous’s predictions are 100% accurate — but according to Polka and Lygus, it’s not just about accuracy. Nous’s predictions can actually alter the very knowledge of fate itself. Like, dude — Mythus tried to change the direction of Polka’s scalpel, but then HooH instantly reverted it. So no matter what happens, Nous’s words will always become the truth.

 

[SuperNova55555]

What I meant is, When Nous declares a truth, it becomes immutable — even the knowledge of future events is fixed, unable to be altered by anyone or anything.

And yeah, you could say Nous’s predictions are 100% accurate — but according to Polka and Lygus, it’s not just about accuracy. Nous’s predictions can actually alter the very knowledge of fate itself. Like, dude — Mythus tried to change the direction of Polka’s scalpel, but then HooH instantly reverted it. So no matter what happens, Nous’s words will always become the truth.

This is a non-point. The explanation is already told on why it’s immutable (which u said in this very post) and the reason Mythus can change it is by inviting inconsistencies in prior knowledge which would not longer make it 100%. Because even not knowing a single variable no longer makes the world deterministic.

It’s really not that hard bro, I alr even told you the actual philosophical concept the ability is based on and what it’s trying to replicate. Nous has information regarding all events, so he can predict all events, that’s all.

There’s just no reason to overcomplicate things because all Aeons are symbolic in this sense. For example, doing this you can even guess that Terminus’ time travel is going to be based on the reversal of entropy itself like in the movie Tenet.

This is part of the “philosophies” that all Aeons follow.

 

[Viery]

This is a non-point. The explanation is already told on why it’s immutable (which u said in this very post) and the reason Mythus can change it is by inviting inconsistencies in prior knowledge which would not longer make it 100%. Because even not knowing a single variable no longer makes the world deterministic.

It’s really not that hard bro, I alr even told you the actual philosophical concept the ability is based on and what it’s trying to replicate. Nous has information regarding all events, so he can predict all events, that’s all.

There’s just no reason to overcomplicate things because all Aeons are symbolic in this sense. For example, doing this you can even guess that Terminus’ time travel is going to be based on the reversal of entropy itself like in the movie Tenet.

This is part of the “philosophies” that all Aeons follow.

Then why did the countless possible futures that Finality murmured about suddenly become one? I understand that if you know everything, you can predict everything — but even then, predictions should be able to change if something random happens. Yet Nous’s predictions can’t be altered at all, even when random events occurs.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Then why did the countless possible futures that Finality murmured about suddenly become one? I understand that if you know everything, you can predict everything — but even then, predictions should be able to change if something random happens. Yet Nous’s predictions can’t be altered at all, even when random events occurs.

This is literally what Nous’ whole shtick and the circle of knowledge is about. Randomness only propagates in respect to the limitation of ones’ knowledge. But for Nous there is no “randomness” since he knows all things happening in the universe.

 

[Ayato256]

Why would Nous even be Type 1 CM? It’s not like knowledge didn’t exist before the Aeons. They’re just abstract beings that embody certain philosophies/concepts but… they aren’t those concepts at all.

The Paths themselves are philosophical concepts (just saying, the verse doesn't even define) basically it's about philosophy, but those same philosophies are concepts and affect the reality of the verse, for how Cm1 works and not the definition of why his stuff is Cm1, you'll have to wait for an Aeon to take action other than a look, which will be in about 33,550,336 years since Hoyo doesn't seem to want to explain the verse right away and prefers to write a story with complex themes but easy to follow while having a good time and answering our questions with bits of information throughout the versions

He can determine it because everything Nous declares is done with 100% accuracy. That’s what a “moment of Nous” is. And even if he changed fate I’m realllyyyy not sure how this matters at all.

A moment of Nous literally gives type 4 acausality by the way but I've never seen anyone talk about it

Bro read through 5 pages of comments and did a thorough reply to all lol. Respect it

I went to sleep and have a normal Tuesday, but I won't tell you about the heart attack when I saw 5 pages come out of Nihility when I had just come to answer something about the Scepter.

 

[SuperNova55555]

The Paths themselves are philosophical concepts (just saying, the verse doesn't even define) basically it's about philosophy, but those same philosophies are concepts and affect the reality of the verse, for how Cm1 works and not the definition of why his stuff is Cm1, you'll have to wait for an Aeon to take action other than a look, which will be in about 33,550,336 years since Hoyo doesn't seem to want to explain the verse right away and prefers to write a story with complex themes but easy to follow while having a good time and answering our questions with bits of information throughout the versions

Yes because they are embodiments of philosophy, but the way it’s implemented does not fit CM1.

 

[Ayato256]

I am just clarify in 3.2 ending he was mention "galaxy" Rather then cosmos. The same as welt vs zephyro which in original cn mention galaxy not universe

I'll reiterate it but Zandar is really the only one who says universe, Herta said galaxy in the trailer for the plan against Iron Tomb

there's like screwllum also mention the same thing when danheng trying to get out from amphoreus

Probably the only thing I could get from this passage is that Dan Heng and Trailblazer were not physically in Amphoreus.

 

[Viery]

This is literally what Nous’ whole shtick and the circle of knowledge is about. Randomness only propagates in respect to the limitation of ones’ knowledge. But for Nous there is no “randomness” since he knows all things happening in the universe.

I mean is, Finality is an Aeon that comes from the future itself — logically, they should know more about the future than Nous, who only “predicts” it based on knowledge from the past.

But an Aeon that originates from the future says there are countless possibilities, while an Aeon who predicts the future based on the past claims there’s only one and aeons that predict from the past is more accurate so That doesn’t make sense — it’s not like the past can suddenly change, right?

 

[SuperNova55555]

I mean is, Finality is an Aeon that comes from the future itself — logically, they should know more about the future than Nous, who only “predicts” it based on knowledge from the past.

But an Aeon that originates from the future says there are countless possibilities, while an Aeon who predicts the future based on the past claims there’s only one. That doesn’t make sense — it’s not like the past can suddenly change, right?

This is a philosophical conflict between Aeons. It’s kind of the ground of the entire series, no? But again, the “countless possibilities” are only there in respect to ignorance. That is, unless you wish to claim that Terminus is also omniscient.

Aight, I’ma head to sleep now.

 

[Ayato256]

What I meant is, When Nous declares a truth, it becomes immutable — even the knowledge of future events is fixed, unable to be altered by anyone or anything.

And yeah, you could say Nous’s predictions are 100% accurate — but according to Polka and Lygus, it’s not just about accuracy. Nous’s predictions can actually alter the very knowledge of fate itself. Like, dude — Mythus tried to change the direction of Polka’s scalpel, but then HooH instantly reverted it. So no matter what happens, Nous’s words will always become the truth.

I want to see a cutscene of Mythus crying after failing against Hooh the Impassive Stone Block

Can we just downgrade HSR to 3-C now? Thanks

As long as the Aeons and God-Tier Hi3 like Kiana and others remain 1-B, I would have no reason to open my mouth about the tier or maybe Iron Tomb, I'm waiting for 3.7 to confirm a particular element if Hoyo explicitly shows it
But I'm not for 3-C, just not a tier that exceeds or equals Low comp

Then why did the countless possible futures that Finality murmured about suddenly become one? I understand that if you know everything, you can predict everything — but even then, predictions should be able to change if something random happens. Yet Nous’s predictions can’t be altered at all, even when random events occurs.

They don't operate on the same causal system already so good at this stage...

Yes because they are embodiments of philosophy, but the way it’s implemented does not fit CM1.

The current justification only justifies Cm1, it does not explain how it is used but we can't blame anyone since Hsr doesn't explain it himself

 

[Viery]

This is a philosophical conflict between Aeons. It’s kind of the ground of the entire series, no? But again, the “countless possibilities” are only there in respect to ignorance. That is, unless you wish to claim that Terminus is also omniscient.

Aight, I’ma head to sleep now.

Terminus (Finality) is also an Aeon too no?, just like Nous.
If Nous’s calculations are truly omniscient, then

logically, Finality’s foresight should be on the same level — or even beyond, since they embody the future itself

But whatever, good night bro, we can continue this discussion when you make your crt(if it happens)

 

[Ayato256]

I mean is, Finality is an Aeon that comes from the future itself — logically, they should know more about the future than Nous, who only “predicts” it based on knowledge from the past.

But an Aeon that originates from the future says there are countless possibilities, while an Aeon who predicts the future based on the past claims there’s only one and aeons that predict from the past is more accurate so That doesn’t make sense — it’s not like the past can suddenly change, right?

I'll wait until 3.8 before making a clear statement about Terminus; it's strange not surprising that quite a few Paths are already included in its Finality

 

[Viery]

I'll wait until 3.8 before making a clear statement about Terminus; it's strange not surprising that quite a few Paths are already included in its Finality

3.8 is basically FF story patch to clean up Penacony’s epilogue(2.3)— I doubt they’ll drop any big lore reveals there( I think)

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

This outright but weirdly confirm if premature unbirth iron tomb are comparable to Lord ravager, but yet full fledged irontomb are beyond them

I am pissed off that global isn't offically translating Irontomb countdown, like, important info such as Incomplete Irontomb being already comparable to other Lord Ravagers, and a Complete Irontomb surpassing them

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

@CastoriceTheFifth
Can you create a match between Acheron (Base) and Stellaron Hunter? (f#ck my grammar)

Didn’t this already happen

 

[Le'garde273]

I'll reiterate it but Zandar is really the only one who says universe, Herta said galaxy in the trailer for the plan against Iron Tomb

At this rate
I might think everytime they said galaxy was refer to this (either zandar or herta said that), as it would destroy galaxy just like zephyro casually do ones, phainon, or that welt statements about lord ravagers able to incinerates galaxies.

And everytime zandar or any description mention it can destroy universe is refer how irontomb would end erudition path after making the entire universe in catastrophe after entirely become randomize.

 

[Vietthai96]

Im aware, its just the antifeats and contradicting story telling from the hoyoverse story writers keeps it at 1-B instead of the AT LEAST L-1A if not out right 1-A it deserves. Stop acting like people dont have basic intelligence to comprehend 2 games is directly connected.
I said enough go do your chores now.

blaming and raging on the devs because we didn't get the tier we want is crazy

Also, cool down your tone please

 

[Robo432343]

blaming and raging on the devs because we didn't get the tier we want is crazy

Also, cool down your tone please

herta my beloved

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I'm gonna need half yall mfs to sign this form right now for the Prime Welt downplay

 

[Vietthai96]

Bro should stay being teacher

 

[Ayato256]

At this rate
I might think everytime they said galaxy was refer to this (either zandar or herta said that), as it would destroy galaxy just like zephyro casually do ones, phainon, or that welt statements about lord ravagers able to incinerates galaxies.

And everytime zandar or any description mention it can destroy universe is refer how irontomb would end erudition path after making the entire universe in catastrophe after entirely become randomize.

Well, maybe he'll end up destroying the universe, but not in one attack.

I'll wait until 3.8 before making a clear statement about Terminus; it's strange not surprising that quite a few Paths are already included in its Finality

This is supposed to be a mission about Finality

 

[Le'garde273]

Well, maybe he'll end up destroying the universe, but not in one attack.

Well, considering irontomb was
"rubert emperor III" You know how it's going, cause rubert once annihilated half of the universe by invading every single organic life, and would be greater if it's not stopped by polka kakamond. Irontomb would work in the same way as lygus explain

 

[Viery]

Well, considering irontomb was
"rubert emperor III" You know how it's going, cause rubert once annihilated half of the universe by invading every single organic life, and would be greater if it's not stopped by polka kakamond. Irontomb would work in the same way as lygus explain

Rubert still hasn’t finished his self-coronation and has already destroyed half of the universe. Irontombs is Rubert who has already completed his self-coronation. We’re cooked, man.

Honestly, HooH would be really useful in a situation like this, but nah — they only move their ass after half of the universe gets destroyed.

 

[IReallyLoveRilysse]

I play Genshin, Hsr, Zzz and Wuwa every day (I know someone here who if he wanted to could be worse than me)

Ohh yeah same
Me too
I also have like different accounts on each of the servers(asia, eu, America)

 

[IReallyLoveRilysse]

I'm gonna need half yall mfs to sign this form right now for the Prime Welt downplay

I never doubted my Goat

 

[IReallyLoveRilysse]

 

[Viery]

I'm gonna need half yall mfs to sign this form right now for the Prime Welt downplay

Watch HoYo make him catch ANOTHER L the 3.7 trailer already shows the Astral Express floating in space and falling apart

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Watch HoYo make him catch ANOTHER L the 3.7 trailer already shows the Astral Express floating in space and falling apart

Mfs here downplaying welt by saying he doesnt move in any fight just for the entire Astral Express drifting in space while Welt was solo boxing Zephyro

 

[Shiroiyo]

I made a vandalism report to remove this a while ago, and I want to ask... why is this back to the pages?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I made a vandalism report to remove this a while ago, and I want to ask... why is this back to the pages?

Because a crt was made to re add most of the vandalized additions back and got accepted by multiple staffs and ant

 

[Viery]

Mfs here downplaying welt by saying he doesnt move in any fight just for the entire Astral Express drifting in space while Welt was solo boxing Zephyro

If Welt ends up solo boxing Zephyro again, those Alliance and IPC are gonna be real useless, man.

I bet Zephyro’s gonna be handled by Acheron this time — since in Elio’s script, Acheron couldn’t show up and beat his ass

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I made a vandalism report to remove this a while ago, and I want to ask... why is this back to the pages?

Honkai: Star Rail — Vandalism stuff

This CRT serves to fix any vandalism that has no CRTs attached to it, with additional justifications + scans. https://vsbattles.com/threads/wiki-vandalism-reports.163273/post-7235041 • Immortality (Types 2, 3) + Regeneration (Mid) So, this is an inherent trait that each and every...

vsbattles.com

 

[Shiroiyo]

Honkai: Star Rail — Vandalism stuff

This CRT serves to fix any vandalism that has no CRTs attached to it, with additional justifications + scans. https://vsbattles.com/threads/wiki-vandalism-reports.163273/post-7235041 • Immortality (Types 2, 3) + Regeneration (Mid) So, this is an inherent trait that each and every...

vsbattles.com

The hax resistance chainscaling never ends.

Anyways, I don't know why you guys choose to keep the old justifications when Nether gave better ones. I think this is settled then, but someone should update it, not me though.. I am retired.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Yo

Removing CM1 from Aeons (Honkai: Star Rail)

Faulty Proof: This will actually be rather short (I think), because neither this, nor this actually prove CM1 for Aeons. Now, ignoring the egregious (and likely intentional) word salad that you’ll see above, there is actually no proof that Paths are the what-it-is-to-be of any specific notion...

vsbattles.com

 

[RoninSlayer200]

Bro actually did it.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Bro actually did it.

Zephyro gets to keep CM1 though. I don’t think I need to explain why.

 

[Ayato256]

Zephyro gets to keep CM1 though. I don’t think I need to explain why.

??? Why?