Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Shiroiyo]

Because HI3 had terrible powerscaling and giga antifeats all over the place. And thats why its page is a barren wasteland (deserved)
At least HSR has less bullshit going on.

my brother in christ, you do realize that the sole reason hoyoverse is tier 1 in this wiki is because of Hi3's statements and scalers that got it accepted and retained it over years, without it Aeons might as well be Low 2-C. The 1-B rating alone is more than anything HSR has shown for the time being, this is excluding other stuff like speed and hax that HSR gets from Hi3 as well. HSR scaling is Hi3 scaling and vice-versa, so antifeats from one game are also for the other, you also pretend that HSR doesn't have any, as if they didn't left implied that supposed type 1 concepts can be tampered with by affecting everything it is supposed to govern (Cof-cof Nous)

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Because HI3 had terrible powerscaling and giga antifeats all over the place. And thats why its page is a barren wasteland (deserved)
At least HSR has less bullshit going on.

Bro has no idea that HSR derives a large chunk of it's scaling directly from HI3 lmao

 

[helello100]

my brother in christ, you do realize that the entire reason hoyoverse is tier 1 in this wiki is because of Hi3's statements and scalers that got it accepted and retained it over years, without it Aeons might as well be Low 2-C. The 1-B rating alone is more than anything HSR has shown for the time being, this is excluding other stuff like speed and hax that HSR gets from Hi3 as well. HSR scaling is Hi3 scaling and vice-versa, so antifeats from one game are also for the other, you also pretend that HSR doesn't have any, as if they didn't left implied that supposed type 1 concepts can be tampered with by affecting everything it is supposed to govern (Cof-cof Nous)

Bro has no idea that HSR derives a large chunk of it's scaling directly from HI3 lmao

Im aware, its just the antifeats and contradicting story telling from the hoyoverse story writers keeps it at 1-B instead of the AT LEAST L-1A if not out right 1-A it deserves. Stop acting like people dont have basic intelligence to comprehend 2 games is directly connected.
I said enough go do your chores now.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Im aware, its just the antifeats and contradicting story telling from the hoyoverse story writers keeps it at 1-B instead of the AT LEAST L-1A if not out right 1-A it deserves. Stop acting like people dont have basic intelligence to comprehend 2 games is directly connected.
I said enough go do your chores now.

What does that have to do with HSR deriving it's scaling from HI3, so what if it's not L1A? What the yap, DBZ fans reading challenge: impossible.

 

[helello100]

What does that have to do with HSR deriving it's scaling from HI3, so what if it's not L1A? What the yap, DBZ fans reading challenge: impossible.

Im not a dbz fan i just happen to have this pp because i liked its meme, people can have profile pictures of characters they dont actively support.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Why would Nous even be Type 1 CM? It’s not like knowledge didn’t exist before the Aeons. They’re just abstract beings that embody certain philosophies/concepts but… they aren’t those concepts at all.

 

[Le'garde273]

Why would Nous even be Type 1 CM? It’s not like knowledge didn’t exist before the Aeons. They’re just abstract beings that embody certain philosophies/concepts but… they aren’t those concepts at all.

That's kinda self explanatory...

Aeons births give rise to a path (and vice versa) as they also can freely manipulate their own representative concept as byproduct of imaginary concept

But thought kinda confused with the question. Are you asking why aeons have cm type 1 or why aeons was abstract existence type 1 concept?

 

[Ayato256]

How creating a realm with countless galaxies within it is just a 5-B computer? What you are saying isn't making any sense

Yeah it's physically impossible but I never declared a tier, and I never claimed that these galaxies are 3-B either.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Im aware, its just the antifeats and contradicting story telling from the hoyoverse story writers keeps it at 1-B instead of the AT LEAST L-1A if not out right 1-A it deserves. Stop acting like people dont have basic intelligence to comprehend 2 games is directly connected.
I said enough go do your chores now.

tbf hoyo anti feats are only against tier 1 physicals which is honestly alright. and like
herrschers and emanators dont have a way to be 1-A physically in general so… but aeons and cof? absolutely

 

[Ayato256]

I guess this also puts an end to the whole thing of some people arguing Emanators are stronger than (most) HI3 Herrschers cause if a weakened (due to lack of Honkai Energy) Welt is comparable to one of the strongest emanators in the story, that means there are so many people from HI3 that would probably mid to no diff to outright stomp Zephyro lmao.

Most people who say that listen with their feet or can't read at all.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Aeons births give rise to a path (and vice versa) as they also can freely manipulate their own representative concept as byproduct of imaginary concept

Manipulate it how?

Is Nous capable of manipulating all particulars participating in the concept of “knowledge”? If not, can he affect the concept of knowledge itself in order to indirectly accomplish that feat?

 

[Le'garde273]

Manipulate it how?

Is Nous capable of manipulating all particulars participating in the concept of “knowledge”? If not, can he affect the concept of knowledge itself in order to indirectly accomplish that feat?

We don't know how they use it or how they would do it, but what is certain is that they can control their own paths

 

[SuperNova55555]

We don't know how they use it or how they would do it, but what is certain is that they can control their own paths

In what way are Paths CM1? Because the various concepts surely don’t manifest from their creation. Knowledge and destruction surely existed before their respective Paths.

 

[Le'garde273]

In what way are Paths CM1? Because the various concepts surely don’t manifest from their creation. Knowledge and destruction surely existed before their respective Paths.

Just check the explanation on their physiology.
Though tbh i am afraid to say this cause i might get smack, but in 3.6 lygus explain biggest anti feats for paths being type 1 concepts

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Im not a dbz fan i just happen to have this pp because i liked its meme, people can have profile pictures of characters they dont actively support.

Sure ash being just like em tho

 

[SuperNova55555]

Just check the explanation on their physiology.
Though tbh i am afraid to say this cause i might get smack, but in 3.6 lygus explain biggest anti feats for paths being type 1 concepts

I’m not sure what part of that word salad makes them CM1. Even without the anti-feat, CM1 gotta go.

 

[SuperNova55555]

“Ideas shape reality yet it’s seldom the other way around.”

Oh my god. Reading the blog, no wonder this verse used to be 1-A+ once. Some of ya’ll are genuinely intentionally wanking and betting on meaningless word salad so the mods don’t see it.

It seems like Telomera only did half the job. This verse needs a complete deep clean because this is tiktok-level egregiousness holy shit.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

In what way are Paths CM1? Because the various concepts surely don’t manifest from their creation. Knowledge and destruction surely existed before their respective Paths.

they embody the concept they are aeon of, thats like what aeons are in like
simplest sense

 

[SuperNova55555]

they embody the concept they are aeon of, thats like what aeons are in like
simplest sense

This is not CM1 at all. If it were, the particulars of those concepts would disappear alongside them when an Aeon is destroyed.

I already said it above but it seems like a large part of Honkai scaling is either misunderstanding standards or downright wank.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

This is not CM1 at all. If it were, the particulars of those concepts would disappear alongside them when an Aeon is destroyed.

thats what irontomb does, it literally obliterates nous by obliterating the erudition itself

I already said it above but it seems like a large part of Honkai scaling is either misunderstanding standards or downright wank.

well downgrade them lol you are like 3rd or 4th person sayin this and no one does anything abt it. just,.do it we wont kill you

 

[SuperNova55555]

thats what irontomb does, it literally obliterates nous by obliterating the erudition itself

It’s supposed to be the complete opposite actually.

well downgrade them lol you are like 3rd or 4th person sayin this and no one does anything abt it. just,.do it we wont kill you

This might be the strat lmao. Nobody’s gonna bother playing HI3 to downgrade the verse lel. Butttt I might do a CRT for specifically Type 1 CM because it seems like the proof in the wiki itself isn’t enough for it to begin with + the Irontomb anti-feat so it doesn’t seem like there’s much research needed here

 

[Viery]

Didn’t Lygus already say that all knowledge in the universe is basically Nous’s knowledge — that even their predictions can lock fate itself? Isn’t that cm(concept manipulation)? Because if Nous declares something to be true, reality itself aligns with that truth..

 

[SuperNova55555]

Didn’t Lygus already say that all knowledge in the universe is basically Nous’s knowledge — that even their predictions can lock fate itself? Isn’t that cm(concept manipulation)? Because if Nous declares something to be true, reality itself aligns with that truth..

No. This has nothing to do with CM

 

[PedjaTarzan]

so every day i need to see people
yap most insufferable bullshit and yet are lazy to do shit abt the verse, no wonder i wish i sometimes say the most craziest diabolical shit just to permamently perish from this hole

 

[SuperNova55555]

so every day i need to see people
yap most insufferable bullshit and yet are lazy to do shit abt the verse, no wonder i wish i sometimes say the most craziest diabolical shit just to permamently perish from this hole

Bro I’ll downgrade the verse just chill. You’ll be getting your CM3 Aeons very soon

 

[Viery]

No. This has nothing to do with CM

Why Nous, who can determine what knowledge is, doesn't considered to be manipulating the very concept of knowledge itself? I mean if nous said knowledge like that it will be like that.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Why Nous, who can determine what knowledge is, doesn't considered to be manipulating the very concept of knowledge itself? I mean if nous said knowledge like that it will be like that.

“Determine knowledge”, what the context for this?

And also, Nous’ ability is in a deterministic sense; that is, that if he knows all things, he can accurately predict what will happen in a specific “moment”. If you knew about all forces operating on a specific object, you would know exactly where that object will move with 100% accuracy. In philosophy, this is a concept known as Laplace’s demon.

And Lygus doesn’t like this and wants uncertainty, so he’s tryna slime Nous.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Bro I’ll downgrade the verse just chill. You’ll be getting your CM3 Aeons very soon

make sure to edit wikipedia website while doing that

 

[Viery]

“Determine knowledge”, what the context for this?

And also, Nous’ ability is in a deterministic sense; that is, that if he knows all things, he can accurately predict what will happen in a specific “moment”. If you knew about all forces operating on a specific object, you would exactly where that object will move will 100% accuracy. In philosophy, this is a concept known as Laplace’s demon.

And Lyygus doesn’t like this and wants uncertainty, so he’s tryna slime Nous.

Lygus already said that Nous doesn’t just predict fate — they are the ones who determine it.

This is why Lygus wants to kill Nous: if fate is locked behind Nous’s predictions, there’s nothing mortals can do to change it. But if Nous is killed, fate itself can finally be changed.

Just like in the Emperor War, the murmurs of Finality( the Future) were not originally just one. But because of Nous’s prediction, the future became singular, and nothing could change it anymore.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Lygus already said that Nous doesn’t just predict fate — they are the ones who determine it.

This is why Lygus wants to kill Nous: if fate is locked behind Nous’s predictions, there’s nothing mortals can do to change it. But if Nous is killed, fate itself can finally be changed.

Just like in the Emperor War, the murmurs of Finality( the Future) were not originally just one. But because of Nous’s prediction, the future became singular, and nothing could change it anymore.

He can determine it because everything Nous declares is done with 100% accuracy. That’s what a “moment of Nous” is. And even if he changed fate I’m realllyyyy not sure how this matters at all.

make sure to edit wikipedia website while doing that

It’s js a number change bro. The profiles I do are alr much longer than these.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

It’s js a number change bro. The profiles I do are alr much longer than these.

dw im not against it, merely a joke how person who did “half the job” had to do that for a downgrade

 

[SuperNova55555]

dw im not against it, merely a joke how person who did “half the job” had to do that for a downgrade

Ohhhhh yeaaaaaaaaa. He changed the Absolute Infinity page I remember now. But he was right though, Absolute Infinity for Cantor is Aquinas’ God.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

HI3rd and HSR are really cursed...

 

[Ayato256]

“HSR universe is a single branch” ahh argument

Hsr takes place mainly in branches (4D max) it still doesn't reach 1-B even if you could destroy the entire physical part of the universe

erm

I don't like this statement and honestly Lygus pisses me off in 3.2 he talks about galaxy (yes Cosmos referred to Galaxy, I don't even know why non-Chinese languages use Cosmos while CN doesn't, I fell right into it) and suddenly in 3.4 he changes to say Universe, he really exasperates me, he just can't make up his mind or what

Same as this, if you play other than eng, it's say "Ginga" Which mean galaxy.

There's plenty bad localization through amphoreus so far i can tell. But at 3.5 lygus still said the impact of irontomb horribly affect to the universe or actually path of erudition (not in physical way rather than effect of destruction equation)

he changes to 宇宙 Yù Zhòu in 3.4, moreover in CN he is the only character in the entire Amphoreus cast to use the term universe and he only did it in the 2nd round when explaining his plan (like a great manipulative genius) to Phainon and Cyrene

tbf zandar words of cosmos/galaxy are still IT since he views the tree like those so its still fine

I snorted with laughter when I reread 3.5 where he self-debunks his own tree theory while calling himself an idiot at the time.

I don't remember himeko said that, can you try to link it? The only i remember himeko said galaxies was endlessly vast or etc.

she does it in 1.0, besides if you talk to her again in the Express Parlor Car, she will still say it in her dialogue options

okayy got it! i’m like finished with the part where t he trailblazer wakes up after sampo saved them bronya rn, i’ll just get some missions done when i’m done with my classes today n then i could ask u questions later

You won't need a stable team until a good moment, I miss that era of the game by the way...

It’s really all agenda and no literacy. I bet more than half of the guys here haven’t even read the Simulated Universe logs

I read them so much that I ended up forgetting that it was information given in SU XD

i play genshin so im automatically illiterate

I play Genshin, Hsr, Zzz and Wuwa every day (I know someone here who if he wanted to could be worse than me)

I still dont know how to beat lygus

I didn't even unlock it

 

[ThatBoiRick]

While I do think Welt fighting and stalemating my G.O.A.T plants him at 1-B I don’t think there’s particularly enough evidence to suggest Herricher > Emanator.

We don’t know of any possible significant power increases from now till then.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Hsr takes place mainly in branches (4D max) it still doesn't reach 1-B even if you could destroy the entire physical part of the universe

literally why i said someone like irontomb would be 2-A, similarly this could be the outcome too

 

[SuperNova55555]

Hsr takes place mainly in branches (4D max) it still doesn't reach 1-B even if you could destroy the entire physical part of the universe

I don't like this statement and honestly Lygus pisses me off in 3.2 he talks about galaxy (yes Cosmos referred to Galaxy, I don't even know why non-Chinese languages use Cosmos while CN doesn't, I fell right into it) and suddenly in 3.4 he changes to say Universe, he really exasperates me, he just can't make up his mind or what

he changes to 宇宙 Yù Zhòu in 3.4, moreover in CN he is the only character in the entire Amphoreus cast to use the term universe and he only did it in the 2nd round when explaining his plan (like a great manipulative genius) to Phainon and Cyrene

I snorted with laughter when I reread 3.5 where he self-debunks his own tree theory while calling himself an idiot at the time.

she does it in 1.0, besides if you talk to her again in the Express Parlor Car, she will still say it in her dialogue options

You won't need a stable team until a good moment, I miss that era of the game by the way...

I read them so much that I ended up forgetting that it was information given in SU XD

I play Genshin, Hsr, Zzz and Wuwa every day (I know someone here who if he wanted to could be worse than me)

I didn't even unlock it

Bro read through 5 pages of comments and did a thorough reply to all lol. Respect it

Also sort of irrelevant but I was really hoping to do some LOTM vs HSR fights after I’m done with my CRTs since they have the exact same dimensionality (11D) but now it unfortunately seems like it’ll be extremely one-sided. Eh.

 

[Ayato256]

HSR is a Visual Novel disguised as an RPG at this point

I really want a return to 1.0 until 1.5-1.6 of this game, it was the prime of the gameplay and then: gone is the gameplay, we will never see you again! ;-;

I remember that completing all the quests in version 1.X without skipping anything already takes around 24 hours of gameplay, so I don’t even want to imagine how long it would take new players to catch up to the latest version.

probably less than a week but much more than 5 days, only the main quests but I didn't count

I was dead seeing the 300$ bow lmaooo

I gave up my hopes when I saw his design trailer 3.5, I didn't wait for 3.7

Aight scaling or hypothesis' aside should i pull cyrene for my E0S1 phainon team? I have cesar salad too.
E0 seems cancerous to active her ult.

It depends on the content, if it's MoC I recommend a magnificent 3rd day of Weekend, if it's content like Zandar Entelechy from the powercreep of the HP bars, I recommend Cyrene

Nah. I’m hyperinvesting on Phainon. I alr clear every endgame pretty easily so I’m just tryna get as good as possible for Anomaly Arbitration. Hope he don’t end up like my E2 Acheron

mine is so hated by the relic drops in my game that it has 31% Crit Rate

DPS is temporary, Support is eternal

Only if Amphoreus holds up to the updates, otherwise Cyrene disappears from reality

 

[Le'garde273]

he changes to 宇宙 Yù Zhòu in 3.4, moreover in CN he is the only character in the entire Amphoreus cast to use the term universe and he only did it in the 2nd round when explaining his plan (like a great manipulative genius) to Phainon and Cyrene

Yeah sure, i forgor if there's like screwllum also mention the same thing when danheng trying to get out from amphoreus. I mean i am not against how impactful irontomb is, infact that second pv also make sure how powerful irontomb is, even confirmed he was even more powerful than lord ravagers.

I am just clarify in 3.2 ending he was mention "galaxy" Rather then cosmos. The same as welt vs zephyro which in original cn mention galaxy not universe

「剧本」尾声黑洞与白洞互相吞噬 撕裂银河
The ending of the script is that the black hole and the white hole devour each other and tear the galaxy apart..

 

[SuperNova55555]

mine is so hated by the relic drops in my game that it has 31% Crit Rate

Bro is criting once every ult