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He’s just assuming “rupture of the cosmos” = Zephyro dying as well, but I don’t think this is wholly baseless so I’m not questioning it rn
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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread
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End of the cosmos = end of the script
and narrative implication of Kafka based on how he described each script ending by Elios about all 4 are finality endings
yes? but that doesn't mean he cannot scale to said feat. he still fought back.
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My first comment in this thread is me saying 1-B Welt is still possible.
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aight we got off the wrong foot then
i was explaining here and discussing in discord at the same time
must be my fault something got mixed in
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My agenda always uses facts and logic.
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Still didn't said zephyro died though, moreover there are just 3 ending( the last still 50/50 possibility) and in all those 3 ending express always died.
1.by Irontombs that used herta as a vessel(express go to lushaka)
2.by celenova(express go to melustanin)
3.by zephyro(express go to patrevia).
4. By Irontombs( express go to Amphoreus and lose)
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1.) The end of the script is Irontomb Herta goes on a crusade to the entire cosmos, like the Emperor rupert the 3rd - 1st finality
2.) 8th Lord ravager divine war resulting to the demise of the universe and aeons
3.) entire cosmos ruptured
4.) Amphoreus, we actually win but Amphoreus will be destroyed and fall to destruction
- Ending A is that we move forward regardless
- Ending B is Trailblazer causes the 4th Finality through remembrance
- Kafka wouldn't call this 4th kind of finality if she didn't mention the initial first 3 finalities, using exposition, this points that the 3 other examples before Amphoreus 2 possibilities are the first 3 finalities.
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It should be mentioned that Zephyro’s ending is explicitly the most terrifying as well so the scale is likely much more extreme. (That’s my GOAT)
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Yeah cause it's an instant end. Like 1st and 3rd would still result in war first
but Zephyro's ending and Remembrance finality are instant ending
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Yup, that's it
The Rupture of the Cosmos wasn’t caused by the fight between Zephyro and Welt, or the “cosmos” Kafka mentioned might not refer to the entire Imaginary Tree. Because if Welt, who is weaker in HSR, could destroy the Imaginary Tree, that would mean every Herrscher stronger than him could also destroy it. Which is absurd for me
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iirc people are arguing that Welt gains some powerup in that planet if it happens
and i believe it is likely due to the fact that the blackhole seems to resemble nihility.
and since whilte hole is intended for IX
it either have an interference or intervention from Device IX and less more likely IX (eeven if he does nothing anyway) himself
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Cosmos is the Imaginary Tree. But it’s not that Welt destroys it, it’s just that Zephyro is a Satoru Gojo-level special case.
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Actually Kafka calls the Hertatomb one as "destiny's worst outcome" so apparently a 3rd mechanical war is more terrifying than the other 3 outcomes somehow lmao.
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Circular glazing
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Every outcome is the worst atp lel. But we just have to find out which one is using hyperboles here since “destiny’s worst outcome” can mean a bunch of things unlike “rupturing the cosmos” which is… just that.
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Honestly i am kinda confused about this because none of those endings apparently has to do with The Harmony being the cause at all? 1st one is caused by Destruction, second one is also mainly Destruction, 3rd one is Nihility and 4th one is Remembrance.
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That could be a possibility too, yeah.because In the Second Finality, the Astral Express met Celenova and died as well, but their fight wasn’t nearly as impressive as their battle against Zephyro. So the Welt in the Third Finality must be a special version of him — one who can somehow match the strongest Lord Ravagers.
Damn, the potential man will always be the potential man.
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iirc this elio script is about a specific ending
but the one kafka mentioned when you went back to your memories where she mentioned who will be at the war with destruction, is different kind of ending from the 4 scenarios. That's more like farther into the script if we survived Amphoreus without reaching finality
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Celenova is the Lord Ravager who wants to end Harmony so her ending most likely involves it in some way
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i think zephy might beat welt at the price of his death too, with universe going poof too, thats the nihility apocalypse to me
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The Herta= Magical Girl form
Irontomb Herta= Witch form
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Nihility doesn’t just destroy the body — it erases existence itself. So even if he were in his prime, he wouldn’t be able to survive that.
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The scene showing the Astral Express turning into Sin Thirstier makes me doubt that Zephyro really died, though
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well the ending in which nihility is the one who drives universe itno finality is probably turning everyone into sin thirster and eventually devouring them towards IX
But this doesnt matter as all this are bad ending if we stray from the script
Welt forcing Zephyro to go all out is still impressive and im proud of old man
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Guys trust the agenda, Welt will solo all Lord Ravagers at once in 4.X
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Well, there's no mentioning who's gonna died between them anyway
All it mentioned is just "The black hole and the white hole will devour each other 𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗲𝗻𝗱 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 "𝘀𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗽𝘁," 𝗿𝘂𝗽𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗼𝘀𝗺𝗼𝘀..."
So... There's high possiblity that the scene that we saw is just part of their fight(in the middle of fight) and not at the end of their fight
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Potential Man Welt doing bullshit again.
But tbh Blackhole in here is probably the IX itself. Becase Zephyro wants to end the IX and with it the cosmos. So im assuming Welt perhaps somehow summoned IX and Zephyro just nukes it with itself. Because this is the same Welt who was "God-damn this abundant deer is strongly regenerating i cant do shit" on Xianzhou,trapped in a dream by Sunday and was terrified of Acheron's power
But tbh Blackhole in here is probably the IX itself. Becase Zephyro wants to end the IX and with it the cosmos. So im assuming Welt perhaps somehow summoned IX and Zephyro just nukes it with itself. Because this is the same Welt who was "God-damn this abundant deer is strongly regenerating i cant do shit" on Xianzhou,trapped in a dream by Sunday and was terrified of Acheron's power
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The flash of light at the end of the animation after Zephyro fully absorbs Welt’s black hole is most likely the “rupture” (signifying the other statement about him causing a flash within IX)Well, there's no mentioning who's gonna died between them anyway
All it mentioned is just "The black hole and the white hole will devour each other 𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗲𝗻𝗱 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 "𝘀𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗽𝘁," 𝗿𝘂𝗽𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗼𝘀𝗺𝗼𝘀..."
So... There's high possiblity that the scene that we saw is just part of their fight(in the middle of fight) and not at the end of their fight
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???
what the hell are you talking about welt would die alone by IX presence lmao,
also being terrified by her power means nothing when she alone said his soe is more dangerous and being tapped insunday dream? acheron was trapped as well so..trust the script vro
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Acheron wasnt trapped at all. She was the one to break astral express from the slumber.???
what the hell are you talking about welt would die alone by IX presence lmao,
also being terrified by her power means nothing when she alone said his soe is more dangerous and being tapped insunday dream? acheron was trapped as well so..trust the script vro
Yeah because Welt was introgating Acheron on the murder of Everflame mention and called her dangerous. And she shot back. I like that we are trying to make Welt stronger but this the same guy who couldnt do shit to abundant ebon deer with using everything he has.
Coupled with the fact the video showed several ends of Aeons with how it causes the destruction of IMG tree...yeah its most likely the "Blackhole" is IX, since Zephyro targets IX and shows vision of its end to self-annihilators to f*ck with them and cause mental pain in their dream.
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did we even see him use his power against the deer, hes like sidelining every fight he was in, then the literal script that showcases possibilities of what happened if we didnt go to amphoreus theres Welt vs Zephyro, why do you think they would show HIM and not like Dan Heng TB or March?
like i still try to find exact scan that says welt
could not beat ebon deer using his full strength
but like the pis shit in belobog/xianzhou is like insane bcs we struggle against mara strucks and ebon deer then the next enemy is literal lord ravager
theres 0 implications IX will be involved esp when the planet is under mourning actor which are Aha emanators/pathstriders
like mfs will use any and every possible shit to shit on hi3 but when its hsr the hype never stops
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Performance so bad ppl think he’s sidelining 
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Because HI3 had terrible powerscaling and giga antifeats all over the place. And thats why its page is a barren wasteland (deserved)
At least HSR has less bullshit going on.
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that doesnt respond my question but aight
and btw Welt blackhole color and the one in MC trailer are exactly the same, theres no IX here
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Almost every point you made is deadass headcannon, you’re adding nothing of substance to this conversation and making speculation and spreading blatant misinformation just for the sake of downplaying this dude? Like genuinely?
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Why is this entire channel just vibe scaling
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